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melman

(7,681 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:20 PM Jan 2020

Polling roundup: Sanders challenges Biden's frontrunner status

A cascade of polls released over the weekend have Bernie Sanders challenging Joe Biden’s frontrunner status, surpassing Biden in key early states as the national horse race tightens up.

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In a poll conducted in Iowa by The New York Times/Siena College that was released Saturday, the Vermont senator sat at the top of the pack at 25 percent. Three other candidates were battling for second place — Pete Buttigieg, Biden and Elizabeth Warren — all within three points of one another. Buttigieg was at 18 percent, to Biden’s 17 percent and Warren’s 15 percent.

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A survey in New Hampshire — which votes eight days after the Iowa caucuses — tells a similar story: Sanders has staked out a narrow lead, with a battle for second. A NBC News/Marist poll in the Granite State that was released on Sunday has Sanders at 22 percent among likely primary voters. Buttigieg was at 17 percent Biden was at 15 percent and Warren was at 13 percent. Amy Klobuchar, the senator from Minnesota, rounds out the candidates who finished in double digits with 10 percent.

A second New Hampshire poll released Sunday gives a wider lead to Sanders. In the CNN/University of New Hampshire poll, Sanders is at 25 percent among likely primary voters, to Biden’s 16 percent, Buttigieg’s 15 percent and Warren’s 12 percent.

Regardless of who they support, a plurality of voters believe Sanders will win the first-in-the-nation primary. Thirty-nine percent said they believed the Vermont senator will win the state, compared to 22 percent for Biden and 12 percent for Warren.


In past cycles, the first two states have been determinative for the race for the nomination. A narrow win by Sanders in both states, where he currently sits in pole position, could push him toward the nomination as he builds momentum.




https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/26/democrats-polling-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-105032

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Polling roundup: Sanders challenges Biden's frontrunner status (Original Post) melman Jan 2020 OP
"In past cycles, the first two states have been determinative for the race for the nomination." George II Jan 2020 #1
Thank you!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #2
"Not true.' melman Jan 2020 #3
In at least three of the last five contested primary campaigns, the eventual nominee.... George II Jan 2020 #4
In 2000 squirecam Jan 2020 #7
These Iowa and NEw Hampshire means any posts really irk me GitRDun Jan 2020 #5
538: Sanders projected to win California melman Jan 2020 #6
RCP projects Biden or Warren winning... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #8
Not "projected", but currently ahead by 0.1% in the average of the polls. Winning a state... George II Jan 2020 #9
Indeed...the states listed here have a large number of delegates. IA, NH,really don't mean much Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #10
More from 538: George II Jan 2020 #11
Interesting. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #12
+1 myohmy2 Jan 2020 #13
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. "In past cycles, the first two states have been determinative for the race for the nomination."
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jan 2020

Not true.

In 2008 Obama won Iowa, Clinton won New Hampshire - Obama was the nominee
In 2016 Clinton won Iowa (by less than 1/2%), Sanders won New Hampshire - Sanders had Clinton was the nominee

The first two states have not been determinative in at least the last two cycles.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
3. "Not true.'
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

Yes it is. "Past cycles" doesn't mean every one.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. In at least three of the last five contested primary campaigns, the eventual nominee....
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

....didn't win both Iowa and New Hampshire, in one the eventual nominee didn't win either.

Once again:


In 2016 Clinton won Iowa (by less than 1/2%), Sanders won New Hampshire - Clinton was the nominee (tied 1, lost 1)
In 2008 Obama won Iowa, Clinton won New Hampshire - Obama was the nominee (won 1 of the two)
In 2004 Kerry won both - Kerry was the nominee (won both)
In 2000 Gore won both - Gore was the nominee (won both)
In 1992 Harkin won Iowa, Tsongas won New Hampshire - Clinton was the nominee (won neither)

That covers 24 years. You can go back further if you want.

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GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
5. These Iowa and NEw Hampshire means any posts really irk me
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

The Democratic Party is a big tent party.

Iowa and New Hampshire are 2 states loaded with white people.

What happens in those states means NOTHING.

They should be relegated to second tier primaries / caucuses.

Watch who wins the diverse states...those are your frontrunners.

You would think on a site like this folks would know better.

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Joe Biden
 

pfeiffer

(280 posts)
8. RCP projects Biden or Warren winning...
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jan 2020

Texas, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Virginia, Oklahoma, and Maine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Not "projected", but currently ahead by 0.1% in the average of the polls. Winning a state...
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:28 PM
Jan 2020

...in proportional primaries is virtually meaningless unless it's won convincingly. In your example, California, if nothing changes Biden will win 152 delegates, Sanders 152 delegates, and Warren 112.

It's states where Biden has huge leads that will determine the nominee:

SC Biden +20.2
GA Biden +18.3
FL Biden +19.5
TX Biden +12.5
PA Biden +11.7
VA Biden +13.5

Sanders has no such leads in any significant states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
10. Indeed...the states listed here have a large number of delegates. IA, NH,really don't mean much
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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