Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie's Candle
"Yet it is far better to light the candle than to curse the darkness."
~Unknown
Yes, Joe Rogan has said some despicable and hurtful things (i.e., trans-phobic, anti-Islamic, misogynist, racist), but he has made a redeeming choice in supporting Bernie Sanders, who has been a fighter for inclusion, equality and justice his entire life. Does anyone really believe Bernie condones the asinine statements JR has made in the past?
Bernie, like virtually all of us Democrats and liberals, wants to do whatever it takes to defeat our narcissist-in-chief in November because we all know the dire consequences of another four years of Drumpf. Would it be a winning strategy to in-effect denounce the votes of millions of JR's listeners because we are right and they are wrong? How much better of a strategy might it be to embrace the support of those who have been ignorant in the past? Or should we set-up a purity test at polling places to ask people whether they have ever made a bigoted statement?
I am noticing a pattern I observed in 2016. When you can no longer adequately oppose a candidate based on their character, policy proposals, or record, the last resort is to wage a campaign against their supporters. To attach the label of "Bernie-Bros" implies that the preponderance of Bernie's backers are white and male [which they most certainly are not] with poor social etiquette and racist and misogynistic tendencies. Such branding is a way of vilifying Sanders' backers and thus the candidate himself by association.
I now hesitate before clicking into this site because of the negativity herein. Perhaps I'm being Pollyannaish, but I do think those of us who have chosen a candidate have been inspired by our selection to some degree. Would it be asking too much to focus more on inspirations and aspirations and less on gripes and gotchas?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)"Yet it is far better to light the candle than to curse the darkness."
This is the way progress is made and minds are changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)It is very discouraging to hear the repetitive negativism .. Good news for Joe from Iowa (USA TODAY-Suffolk) Biden 25% ..Bernie 19% ...Buttigieg 18% ...Warren 13% ..In the 2 previous Iowa Polls (June & October ) conducted by Suffolk U, Bernie was registered at 9 % in both Bernie is +10 % in this most unfriendly of Bernie Iowa polls ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Can be said for the many attacks on Biden and Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Bernie has always skated at the edges and never thoroughly vetted. If not vetted now, the republican attack machine would shred, pulverize and eviscerate him in nanoseconds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,399 posts)but in the end, it's still a pig.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,389 posts)Seems they got worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(49,389 posts)stepped up, some didn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Lets all get behind him!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iwannaknow
(210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iwannaknow
(210 posts)Claims Bernie appeared at 39 rallies for Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)He can't redeem racists, misogynists & homophobes by merely befriending them. In fact, the association taints Sanders, because it reveals his lack of judgement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)At least I think so. People grow and change. I know people who were previously GOP and now support Dems, and yeah, I don't think "redemption" is the wrong word for that. Maybe there's a better word, but that's the idea. People previously did wrong the wrong thing, now they are doing the right thing, or at least better things than before.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)If a conservative is to redeem himself publicly, that would require his acknowledgement that all people should have access to & be allowed to pursue the American Dream without undue burdens, and an acknowledgement that conservatism has been a deliberate & abject failure at providing that. To do otherwise is phony and disingenuous.
I haven't seen Rogan even pretend to make such a statement, or Sanders requesting one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I mean, you're probably not going to get a lot of right-wingers to come out right away and repeat all that stuff you wrote, but if they start by voting for Dems, that's a step in the right direction.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Sanders is showing incredibly poor judgement. It's insulting to anyone who cares about Democratic values.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iwannaknow
(210 posts)I'll say you have a point. But until then...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)promoting his endorsement, and thus condoning & elevating that bigotry?
Because that's what it does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,399 posts)then he is condoning and elevating Rogan's bigotry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Trans-phobic, racist piece of garbage...why yes he is...he hasn't changed or repented...he will change Sanders and people's perception of him in fact but I digress. By Sander's celebration of his endorsement, Sanders provides an acceptance of such views which are alt-right views.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Like I said, one step at a time. It's not Sanders accepting Rogan's views, it's the opposite, Rogan accepting Sanders's views. Not all of them at once, of course, but definitely a step in the right direction.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
iwannaknow
(210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)get caustic remarks by two who have been here 9 and two months respectively right out the chute. Yikes!
Oops! Make that three -- another two monther.
I gotta wonder sometimes about the motivations behind some posts. After 2016, I don't just trust like I used to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,399 posts)And just to clarify, I was here at the very beginning of DU in 2001, but life interfered and I had to take a hiatus around 2004, so you could say I've been here for 19 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)negative, and unproductive. But maybe I grew up in a different world.
I also am quite sure we've had trolls here, overt and covert. So I don't take all comments on face value these days.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Fuck Ron Paul and Gary Johnson! Rogan is no friend of Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)when Biden wins the primary.
ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)I laughed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dware
(12,399 posts)I was wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iwannaknow
(210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iwannaknow
(210 posts)He's going around telling white conservatives with questionable beliefs not to vote for him?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden