Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI've worked too damned hard for downballot Dems to watch the wrong POTUS nominee take them out
I have spent a ton of time, money and effort helping local, state and congressional Democrats get elected around the country over the past three years, and will not hesitate to prevent any presidential candidate from attaining the nomination if I believe they will cost us those seats or will list a finger for them unless they pass some kind of purity test. If that gets some people upset, so be it. But I will not let three years of my life go down the drain.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
murielm99
(30,745 posts)I have a preference, but that could change.
I know who I will NOT support.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
efhmc
(14,731 posts)Of course, I will vote for him. (Goddess, please no. He will not win.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
c_junk
(46 posts)As many others say, I know who I'm not voting for...
I like more of what some candidates say they plan to do than others. IMO it looks like final candidate is probably from Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, or Klobuchar (no, I don't think Stayer or Bloomberg have much of a shot), all of whom are polling ahead of Trump in the latest Faux News polling. As everyone does, I have my own order of preference but they've all mastered the English language and have actual plans. And we should make sure that they all support Warren's pledge to release documentation withheld by the White House...
All that being said, I wonder if Bloomberg will really put his apparatus behind ousting tRump. Stayer should help too. Ideally just keep running Trump's own words against his actual accomplishments, or reality for that matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)moderates elected. Sanders won't carry them...we could lose the house.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,916 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lees1975
(3,861 posts)And that's regardless of who the nominee is. We do have to work to get the constituency out, especially those who stayed home in 2016. I'm in Illinois, and I'm helping out in a neighboring district because there will not likely be a GOP nominee in mine. Also helping in Southern Wisconsin. I think boots on the ground and getting voters out is the way to go and if Doug Jones can win in Alabama, any Democrat should be able to win their seat with the anti-Trump sentiment that has already led to one blue wave.
Where are the 5? Arizona, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, Iowa and outside chances in Georgia and Kentucky. Right now, McConnell is in a dead heat and his opponent is outraising him 5 to 1. Richard Ojeda, a coal miner favorite, has declared in West Virginia where Trump has lost a lot of support for failing to deliver on his promises and where his trade deals have hurt the continued decline in the coal industry. That might be a surprise. South Carolina seems to be a lot closer of a race than thought, maybe people are waking up to loonie Lindsey.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,916 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Alabama is almost definitely a -1.
Maine, Colorado, and Arizona are all 3 quite possible, and I'm both hopeful and donating a little for their primaries with support for Hickenlooper in Colorado, Sara Gideon in Maine, and Mark Kelly in AZ. Will donate as heavily as I can after the primary's over.
both NC and GA also fall into the possible, but that would be against the odds.
We would have to completely sweep the battlegrounds AND these 2 Republican leaning states to get a net gain of 4 for a 50/50 Senate.
I can't see anything beyond fantasy that would get us to a +5.
For my own state of Texas, I've been canvassing every weekend for MJ Hegar. I realize this is a very long shot, especially after the damage Beto did for us before he dropped out, but come the day after elections in November of next year, I want to feel that I did every damn thing I could to get Cornyn out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lees1975
(3,861 posts)Arizona, Colorado, Maine, Iowa, North Carolina and for extra measure, Kentucky and Georgia. SC is also very close right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)We are a Center/Left Country. Some folks won't accept that and it really irks me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lees1975
(3,861 posts)I think the House majority is secure regardless. There are somewhere around 25 Republicans stepping down this time around and that usually has to do with putting fingers up in the wind and seeing where the polls are headed. I think the gain will be at least 10 and as high as 25 depending on how well Democrats get the segment of the constituency that didn't show up for Clinton to the polls.
I think the Senate is +5.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,601 posts)I do NOT think the House is safe in the event that Sanders nominees, and I know House members who think likewise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lees1975
(3,861 posts)I know at least two Repubs who are getting out ahead of a shift in voter preference and polling data, both in Texas. I think Sanders and Biden are both capable of getting to a high enough popular margin to keep the house majority safe and add seats around the edges.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)in certain states...and I don't think Sanders can win period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)My nightmare is he is the nominee...(I actually dreamed this a few times) we lose the house and more Senate seats...and the presidency. Trump now has absolute power. I wake up in a cold sweat because I know it could happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,108 posts)There is no purity test, just some prefer another candidate over the others, we here are Democrats and will vote for the Democratic nominee, even if it's not the one we currently support. Right?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)are capable of winning the states we need to defeat Trump...MI, WI and PA...and we have to hold what we took last time...like Virginia...where only Biden was shown as winning in a general. And we could lose the house if we run left...moderates gave us the house in 18.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,108 posts)him. I'm going to support my candidate till there is a clear nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)What candidate do you think can't carry those specific states?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)If they can't win in November, what's the point? It's not who I like or you like, but who can win enough states to beat trump in November. We are a Center/Left Country no matter how folks want it to be different.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,108 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dave in VA
(2,037 posts)of knocking on doors, phone banking, licking envelopes, answering phones, attending rallies, local democratic party committee, anything that the democratic candidate needed me to do.
I agree with you 100%! Democrats nominate Democrats!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)don't some folks get it? I too have worked too hard to let it all be wasted. I only support true members of the Democratic Party. I don't understand folks who think they can just show up every 4 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue-wave
(4,356 posts)I agree with this 1,000%. I support the Democratic party. I will not vote for nor will I support any candidate that refuses, in name or otherwise, to be a Democrat or to support other Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kydemo
(34 posts)If you think center dems, independents and moderate Republicans are ever voting for a socialist no matter if Hillary and Joe camp in their backyards. But if by some reason that Bernie was able to beat Trump because people are so desperate, the point the poster of this entry is still valid. A Sanders presidency will set the democrats back years to come in national legislative races as well as state and local races. You have to remember most of the country is not like AOC's district in NY. or Massachusetts or Vermont or California, but still they are democrats
A Sanders presidency cripples their/our chances to have any voice in the future. Yes I will vote and work for Sanders if he is the nominee. But the aftermath for democrats will not be pretty.should Sanders win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)that was her job.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The reality is that Sanders went on the campaign trail for her, made a lot of appearances, more than she did.
Regardless of who wins the nomination, you can rest assured that Bernie will be out on the campaign trail getting Trump out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
napi21
(45,806 posts)they wouldn't go. Some did, but a lot just stayed home. I think the same thing would happen with Biden's voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...I think you're selling Bernie and the times we live in a little short...
...Bernie can and will make the case for all of what we need while taking the most aggressive fight to trump...
...the way I see it, us and Bernie are the CENTER...
...remember, we are all in this together...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)I do not want to see Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)coming regardless of the nominee. she predicted trumps win AND the blue wave of the last two years.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)on vote blue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I will vote blue no matter who...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)To already know in advance which candidate is the right one and the wrong one when not even one vote has been cast. And to know which purity tests are ok and which are not - because there are purity tests all over this forum, including from supporters of your preferred candidate. But YOU have it all figured out and are able to see the future. Truly amazing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)..Bernie does not unite, he divides. Biden unites us against Trump.
..Bernie will by nature, create division. He already has. Of course supporters don't see that, because they haven't been there. I have been there. McGovern created division by his nature. Sure he was correct on important issues, but he was the wrong person for the wrong times. Bernie is a divider, not a person who unifies. He is also the wrong person for the wrong times..
I will never forget the returns coming in for McGovern..So disappointing. I couldn't believe it, but now I do. You want proof? Proof is in the one sentence below...
..Look at how Bernie has divided us?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Everybody has one! Just like one vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexblues
(180 posts)Bernie is not one for spreading the love among other Dems. Would he even endorse moderate Dems like Conor Lamb or Collin Allred? After all, they're not socialist and don't pass the purity muster. I could easily see a nominee Sanders and congressional Dems running away from each other. Bernie will wreck this party. And don't even give me that shit about his voters flooding the polls. They will vote Bernie and no one else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)He attracts the most independents and cross party votes. Go Bernie!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)are being sincere, or whether they just want to screw up the results.
Since Trump has no competition he has to worry about, some of his followers might choose to help someone they view as a weaker candidate to win the D nomination.
So it's not really a plus that he attracts cross-party votes. That tells us nothing about the motivation of those voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Or they are independents who will vote for Bernie if hes the nominee...
Or these pollsters have no idea what they are doing and we shouldn't listen to them about anything and stop speculating about who is better to beat who.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)they think will be weak against Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Primaries. They are just liars. I tend to think pollsters are a little better at doing their job than that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)They work with lists of registered voters, and they have a standard script to follow -- which wouldn't eliminate a liar.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Without evidence is something completely different.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Voting for Jill Stein might have meant they thought Stein was more progressive.
But no one who voted for Trump could have thought that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Are amusing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Would not have voted for Bernie if he was the nominee?because that is the accusation you made originally.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)who voted for Trump, even though they voted for Sanders in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)First they are lying and not actual Bernie voters. Now they are actual bernie voters who are Terrible because they let trump win. Which is it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)went on to vote for Trump in the general.
Others went on to vote for Jill. The Stein voters probably thought they were voting for a more progressive candidate.
But the Bernie voters who switched to Trump didn't do so because he was more progressive than Hillary. So they may have never been Democrats or progressives at all. When they picked Trump as their general election candidate, they revealed their true leanings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Who had no loyalty to a party and were voting based on the candidate?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(58,916 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Should be the goal. Not the other way around.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)when he became presumptive nominee; and who used their vote to choose the candidate they'd prefer for him to face in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)for Bernie, based on the issues, and then for Trump.
Hillary ran on the unity platform she and Bernie worked on together.
Trump opposed almost everything Bernie and Hillary cared about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)And Bush and Reagan and on and on. It happens in every election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Are you talking about sanders so-called voter revolution? That concept does not seem to have any basis in reality. Please explain how this concept works in the real world
sanders is a very weak candidate who would kill downballot candidates. I would hate to lose the House due to sanders being at the top of the ticket
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)If you want to hurt downballot candidates, then no better way than to repeat the actions that lead us to the 2016 result.
The real world evidence is that Bernie actually doesnt appear to have the most progressive base as we would expect. Meaning he is actually pulling in people from across party lines and independents.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)The fact that down ballot candidates in swing districts are supporting Joe Biden is great ptoof. No down ballot candidate in a swing district wants an extremely weak candidate like sanders at thr top of the ticket
For example Colin Allred flipped a seat in Texas in 2018 and is supporting Joe Biden
Link to tweet
The Texas GOP has targeted Colin who will likely lose is a divisive candidate like sanders is on the top of the ticket. Why do sanders supporters want to gib]ve the GOP control of the House?
BTW, I have donated to Colin and some Democrats in swing districts having a very weak candidate like sanders would doom these candidates
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)If a very weak candidate like sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states and down ballot candidates will lose
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denbot
(9,900 posts)Nothing we put up will be toxic to the republic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...in the past I've voted for Dems that were not my first choice but I voted gladly considering the alternative...
...you really can't predict with certainty an election outcome, anything and everything's possible...
...I know, it's hard when you've supported and worked your ass off for a candidate that didn't make it...but I've always gotten behind and supported our Dem winner...
...when the people speak and give Bernie nomination, I hope you'll consider returning the favor...
...we are all in this together...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)...I know it will be hard, but I hope you'll consider doing for the candidate who wins what you expect others to have done for Bernie...
...those who supported Nader got over it and were fine, and you will be too...
...we are all in this together...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...thank you for the inspiration, ehrnst
...we ARE all in this together..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote....
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
But the years since then in American political life have disproved every fantasy on display at the Garden.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)To go against that for some shallow, fleeting primary victory is foolish and suicidal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)I and a large number of real democrats have been working hard to turn Texas blue. After the 2010 elections, the GOP had 101 members of the Texas state House compared to 49 Democrats. Now we are 9 seats away from flipping control and having the ability to block partisan redistricting this cycle. Texas is scheduled to get three additional congressional seats
sanders would kill down ballot candidates in Texas. I am working too hard to see this work thrown away by having an unelectable candidate at the top of the ticket
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)USD 8 million to elect Dem Reps to Congress in 2018?
Only ONE of the current candidates did that. Just sayin'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,916 posts)Joe Biden and Liz Warren endorsed Democrat Eliz Markowitz and Beto, Julio and Bloomberg walked precincts with her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)are continuing to help Democratic candidates and will most probably continue to do so whenever and wherever Democrats are on the ballot.
They are all team players.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)I wish he had not run. I wish VP Biden had not run. end.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Downballot candidates will have to stand on their own.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
romachrome
(12 posts)but still voted down ballot for Republicans and Democrats.
Not that I think that's going to happen this time around, regardless of who we nominate (I'm speaking of the ones who still have a chance of winning). Trump is going down in flames and so is a big chunk of the Republican party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Your opinion matters no more or less than any other Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,150 posts)for most people, their city council, county supervisors, school board and state representatives have a lot more influence on their day to day life than POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Having a very weak candidate like sanders on the top of the ticket would kill down ballot candidates
I do not want see Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided