Democratic Primaries

sheshe2

(83,896 posts) Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:55 AM Jan 2020

My one and only thread on Joe Rogan.

No candidate can control who endorses them. However one can control a controversial one. A candidate can ignore or decline such an endorsement. It is in their hands to do so. That is their choice.

What you don't do is embrace one that you know hurts so many people. You don't fundraise off the hurt it causes and certainly should not do a campaign video in your name. I am sorry, this is tone deaf.

The man is a shock jock and said to be some sort of comedian. Frankly I find his LGBTQ, Racism and Misogynic comments insulting and against everything I stand for. I don't see the comedy that everyone tells me I should see.

Bernie has the right to chose. In my opinion he did not chose wisely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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My one and only thread on Joe Rogan. (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2020 OP

Thanks! Aside from really bad judgment, it was so boneheaded to accept the endorsement. Beakybird Jan 2020 #1

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #2

More people probably care what Rogan thinks than Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #3

With all these Rogan threads I'm glad I never heard of him. RGinNJ Jan 2020 #4

That would be political suicide for Sanders. Sorry, it will NEVER happen. Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #5

7 Million racist, homophobes and women haters? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #7

Sorry but life is more nuanced than your over the top response Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #9

You post one vid on Rogans Bernie Love. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #10

That video was from the Hill not Rogans love for Bernie. Maybe you need to listen to Obama again Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #16

It's good that you're trying. redqueen Jan 2020 #37

joe rogan is a Proven Liar.. how's that for "nuanced"? Cha Jan 2020 #13

Yep. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #14

Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren Busted that Stupid Cha Jan 2020 #17

They are the truth tellers, Cha. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #19

Yes, joe rogan told a LIE.. Cha Jan 2020 #22

See my post above #10 Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #18

See post #13 Cha Jan 2020 #20

Sorry, Rogan has 7 million followers. Of course they wanted to be on his show Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #21

Probably Hillary realizes that Stern basically plays a character on his show ... mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #26

Stern is mainstream media. Not podcast. betsuni Jan 2020 #36

He is a liar...and I don't believe it..and Hillary went on in 2019 well after the election. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #41

K&R! Agree completely. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #6

Thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #15

Shows terrible judgement. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #8

My thoughts exactly nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #11

;) sheshe2 Jan 2020 #25

Or a candidate can embrace him like the BS campaign. Cha Jan 2020 #12

Bernie must address this immediately. Either ditch Rogan or explain oasis Jan 2020 #23

Congrats! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #24

Thanks sheshe. oasis Jan 2020 #27

I do too, Oasis. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #30

PS. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #28

Yup, he seems to be sorely lacking in the gumption department. nt oasis Jan 2020 #31

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #29

The "last refuge of a scoundrel" is (a)patriotism (b) whataboutism oasis Jan 2020 #32

++++ sheshe2 Jan 2020 #34

First of all, is Hillary running for President 2020? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #33

Rogan isn't a klansman Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #43

Rogan can go on the stump with Bernie for all I care. oasis Jan 2020 #46

K&R Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #35

Thank you, Docreed. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #39

Me too Sheshe Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #44

Hugs. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #45

This is why his supporters keep claiming that mcar Jan 2020 #38

+1000000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #40

K&R Sheshe Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #42

sanders has shown poor judgment promoting this quasi endorsement Gothmog Jan 2020 #47

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)

1. Thanks! Aside from really bad judgment, it was so boneheaded to accept the endorsement.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:04 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Thekaspervote

(32,793 posts)

2. +1000

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:06 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)

3. More people probably care what Rogan thinks than

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:06 AM

Jan 2020

what newspaper editorial boards think

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

RGinNJ

(1,021 posts)

4. With all these Rogan threads I'm glad I never heard of him.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:13 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)

5. That would be political suicide for Sanders. Sorry, it will NEVER happen.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:16 AM

Jan 2020

Rogan has 7 million followers. You piss them off and all hell would break loose for Sanders. Any chances he had would be up in smoke.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

7. 7 Million racist, homophobes and women haters?

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:25 AM

Jan 2020

Seriously?

Rogan has 7 million followers. You piss them off and all hell would break loose for Sanders. Any chances he had would be up in smoke.

He could have ignored it. He would not have alienated one of Rogans supporters. He is proud of it and campaigning off it.

So Rogan's supporters are more important than Black, Women and LGBT? Is that what you are saying?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)

9. Sorry but life is more nuanced than your over the top response

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:31 AM

Jan 2020

Rogan has said a few dumb things over the years but he is for women's rights, for universal HC, against the family separations, for gay marriage and fights on the side of science when it comes to global warming.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

10. You post one vid on Rogans Bernie Love.

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:42 AM

Jan 2020

Which I will not watch, and that should prove to me that Rogan is clean as a whistle always fought for LGBTQ, Black, Women.

PS. He also endorsed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson...Libertarians.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)

16. That video was from the Hill not Rogans love for Bernie. Maybe you need to listen to Obama again

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:06 AM

Jan 2020

Yes, he did endorse those guys which is as Ezra Klein has pointed out why this this is such an interesting endorsement for Sanders:

Ezra Klein
@ezraklein
Bernie’s strength is that he can win over some voters who are skeptical of Democrats - like Joe Rogan. If you think getting Trump out of office is actually important, that’s a good thing, and he should lean into it.

Ezra Klein
@ezraklein
This’ll get me ratio’d or whatever but a lot of Twitter seems to want to enforce a politics where you only work or ally with people you agree almost totally with. but to get anything done in our system requires working with people you often disagree with.

Ezra Klein
@ezraklein
and Rogan isn’t even conservative. wait till the next Democratic president is back to cutting deals with Mitch McConnell, or desperately trying to get Lindsey Graham to vote for something...

Life is messy:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

redqueen

(115,103 posts)

37. It's good that you're trying.

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:34 AM

Jan 2020

I'm glad to see some logic here and there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Cha

(297,638 posts)

13. joe rogan is a Proven Liar.. how's that for "nuanced"?

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:56 AM

Jan 2020

CNN: Biden & Warren campaigns said they hadn't asked to appear on Rogan's show

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446665

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

14. Yep.

Reply to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:03 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,638 posts)

17. Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren Busted that Stupid

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:06 AM

Jan 2020

Lying POS.

Carry on!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

19. They are the truth tellers, Cha.

Reply to Cha (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:09 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,638 posts)

22. Yes, joe rogan told a LIE..

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:14 AM

Jan 2020

CNN: Biden & Warren campaigns said they hadn't asked to appear on Rogan's show

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446665

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)

18. See my post above #10

Reply to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:08 AM

Jan 2020

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287448940#post16

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,638 posts)

20. See post #13

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:10 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)

21. Sorry, Rogan has 7 million followers. Of course they wanted to be on his show

Reply to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:12 AM

Jan 2020

Are you kidding me? It's completely naive to think they wouldn't care to go on Rogan's show. Are you suggesting they are saying they are above it? Then explain this. Stern is a million times worse than Rogan:

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)

26. Probably Hillary realizes that Stern basically plays a character on his show ...

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:29 AM

Jan 2020

A reasonable person could suspect the same is true of Rogan.

But hey, here's a chance to get our knickers in a collective twist over Bernie!

Can't miss one of THOSE!?!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

betsuni

(25,612 posts)

36. Stern is mainstream media. Not podcast.

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:50 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)

41. He is a liar...and I don't believe it..and Hillary went on in 2019 well after the election.

Reply to Quixote1818 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:05 PM

Jan 2020

Sanders will regret celebrating this racist, sexist anti-LGBTQ piece of crap...Oh and Hillary is not running for anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

highplainsdem

(49,034 posts)

6. K&R! Agree completely.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:16 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

15. Thank you.

Reply to highplainsdem (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:04 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)

8. Shows terrible judgement.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:30 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)

11. My thoughts exactly nt

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:54 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

25. ;)

Reply to NYMinute (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:22 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Cha

(297,638 posts)

12. Or a candidate can embrace him like the BS campaign.

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:55 AM

Jan 2020

joe rogan is a proven LIAR..

CNN: Biden & Warren campaigns said they hadn't asked to appear on Rogan's show

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287446665

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oasis

(49,407 posts)

23. Bernie must address this immediately. Either ditch Rogan or explain

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:18 AM

Jan 2020

why he believes Rogan has "evolved".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

24. Congrats!

Reply to oasis (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:21 AM

Jan 2020

43K Boom! Milestone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oasis

(49,407 posts)

27. Thanks sheshe.

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:29 AM

Jan 2020

I love this place.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

30. I do too, Oasis.

Reply to oasis (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:31 AM

Jan 2020

Makes me crazy at times, however it is my home away from home.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

28. PS.

Reply to oasis (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:30 AM

Jan 2020

You are 100% correct.

However Bernie does not address things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

oasis

(49,407 posts)

31. Yup, he seems to be sorely lacking in the gumption department. nt

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:41 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Response to oasis (Reply #23)

Post removed

oasis

(49,407 posts)

32. The "last refuge of a scoundrel" is (a)patriotism (b) whataboutism

Reply to Post removed (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:53 AM

Jan 2020

or (c) both?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

34. ++++

Reply to oasis (Reply #32)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:56 AM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

33. First of all, is Hillary running for President 2020?

Reply to Post removed (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:55 AM

Jan 2020

Second, she went on Stern long after she did run.

Here: From your video post.

Hillary Clinton on the Howard Stern Show Pt. 1
935,352 views•Dec 6, 2019

Why does Hillary have to explain anything to anyone today? She is not running for public office and can do and say what she wishes.

PS. Some people evolve and Stern has grown since the 90's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)

43. Rogan isn't a klansman

Reply to oasis (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 07:51 PM

Jan 2020

Sounds to me like you guys are upset that Bernie got an endorsement that may actually help him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

oasis

(49,407 posts)

46. Rogan can go on the stump with Bernie for all I care.

Reply to Wabbajack_ (Reply #43)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:20 AM

Jan 2020

If Bernie insists on highlighting their association, his campaign should put out flyers with the two of them enjoying pizza and beer.

Go for it guys.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Docreed2003

(16,875 posts)

35. K&R

Reply to sheshe2 (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:44 AM

Jan 2020

Here's the most frustrating thing to me, and you touched on this nicely: it's one thing for an individual to make a statement supporting a particular candidate, it's another thing completely to laud that statement and play this is as a reason to vote for your campaign.

This whole mess is driven by a craven attempt to garner more votes. That may seem like a harsh statement, but why else would you celebrate the "endorsement" of an individual who has shown himself repeatedly to be a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, transphobic "personality". To twist yourself into a pretzel to say things like "Well we're clearly reaching across the spectrum, don't we have a big tent"? I'm sorry but welcoming someone who has those beliefs is a slap in the face to women, people of color, and the LGBT community. Just stop. If we want to win in 2020, we need to turn out our base and this type of move is counterproductive to accomplishing that goal.

Bernie has shown a weakness in regards to issues he views as "identity politics" and seems to see everything through the prism of "class warfare". He has more diverse support than he had in 2016, but this move only serves to reiterate feelings that people already had about his campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

sheshe2

(83,896 posts)

39. Thank you, Docreed.

Reply to Docreed2003 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:43 PM

Jan 2020

And for your eloquent response.

snip

To twist yourself into a pretzel to say things like "Well we're clearly reaching across the spectrum, don't we have a big tent"? I'm sorry but welcoming someone who has those beliefs is a slap in the face to women, people of color, and the LGBT community. Just stop. If we want to win in 2020, we need to turn out our base and this type of move is counterproductive to accomplishing that goal.

This exactly. The campaign slogan is 'Not me, Us!' There seems to be a qualifier put on the word US...some of us and not all of us. Concern for identity politics is nil. He seeks out the white male working class and alienates the core Democratic base. His joyous embrace of Rogan saddens me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden