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brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:07 AM Jan 2020

This Is How Trump Would Destroy Bernie Sanders

The Bulwark

Take his signature proposal, single-payer healthcare. A poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 60 percent of swing voters in the pivotal states of Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin consider it a “bad idea.” Other polls consistently show that most Americans favor protecting their access to private insurance—including working people happy with the coverage their unions fought to secure. One wonders whether Sanders envisions using a general election campaign to undertake their reeducation.

Further, Americans of many stripes are endemically dubious about the quality and responsiveness of government programs. Having suffered the ministrations of their local Bureau of Motor Vehicles, they imagine standing in line, literally and figuratively, to receive mediocre healthcare.

Then there is cost. Asked about this, Sanders has said “I don’t give a number and I’ll tell you why: it’s such a large number and so complicated that if I gave a number you and 50 other people would go through it say, ‘Oh…’”

Instead, Sanders argues generally that all but the wealthy would save more—by abolishing premiums, copayments, and deductibles—than they would pay in increased taxes. But Sanders rarely mentions the failure of his home state of Vermont to enact a single-payer program—precisely because no one in either party could figure out how to pay for it. Come September, Trump would not be quite so reticent.

A candidate less doctrinaire than Sanders would appreciate that Republicans have gift wrapped this issue by attempting to abolish Obamacare and, with it, popular protections such as coverage for pre-existing conditions. All Democrats need do is give Americans a choice between private insurance and Medicare for those who want it. The alternative is electoral malpractice—a self-inflicted debate mired in charges that the Democrats are narrowing choice and raising taxes. Which is exactly what Bernie promises his nominal party.
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This Is How Trump Would Destroy Bernie Sanders (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2020 OP
"Having suffered the ministrations of their local Bureau of Motor Vehicles" heckles65 Jan 2020 #1
It took 50 years for DMVs to get to that point. The ACA is working (where republicans aren't.... George II Jan 2020 #4
And "the DMV" is still frequently used as a punch line. MH1 Jan 2020 #7
I've been in a DMV office only once in the last 20+ years, and that was because I lost my title.... George II Jan 2020 #8
Strange definition of working Rilgin Jan 2020 #12
Because MFA isn't starting from scratch. Medicare is an existing program that can be added to and Autumn Jan 2020 #23
Even the existing Medicare would have to be drastically changed in how it's administered.... George II Jan 2020 #26
The ACA, a relatively new program will have to be drastically changed now thanks to the GOP. Autumn Jan 2020 #36
As I said: George II Jan 2020 #39
The DMV that I go to in Ohio is aces as well. SamKnause Jan 2020 #9
Most people hate the current system ritapria Jan 2020 #2
No, most people don't hate the current system. That's the point. Recursion Jan 2020 #44
Since when did it become permissible to post content from right wing site likes The Bulwark? LonePirate Jan 2020 #3
Sometimes it's good to get a glimpse of the enemy's playbook. calimary Jan 2020 #19
So you're OK if a DUer violates the ToS and Rules so long as it supports your agenda? LonePirate Jan 2020 #30
... Says William Kristol. n/t Ron Green Jan 2020 #5
Right? And people complain about Joe Rogan. DanTex Jan 2020 #10
Sorry, this is a dud. Nt Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #6
Trump is not that intelligent. Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #11
Ah,back to the old Reagan argument that "The government is the problem". How far we've fallen. jalan48 Jan 2020 #13
What I've always thought was funny about that arguement, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #15
Good question. Maybe he thought he was just acting in a movie. jalan48 Jan 2020 #17
For somebody who railed against the guv'mnt SO loudly and frequently, calimary Jan 2020 #20
People in Minnesota... the_sly_pig Jan 2020 #14
Pay for it not that hard. Take it from the fat, bloated military & tax the rich. rickyhall Jan 2020 #16
Pentagon made $35 trillion in accounting changes in a year. More than the entire US economy. That's Autumn Jan 2020 #24
Huh? How does that work? Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #27
If they have to make that big an adjustment they have too much money. CUTS, CUTS, Cuts Autumn Jan 2020 #29
If you cut it to zero you still don't get 35 trillion Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #32
Whoosh..I used it to point out the Pentagon gets way too much money. They and the military Autumn Jan 2020 #34
So 35 trillion was just hyperbole Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #35
The pentagons hyperbole. Scandals make the news, this was only a blip and when it comes time Autumn Jan 2020 #38
In other words, The Pentagon in Theft Engine, stealing us blind for decades. rickyhall Jan 2020 #33
The Bulwark is a center right news source, is that an acceptable source? irisblue Jan 2020 #18
The Original Post On This Topic BirdandSquirrel Jan 2020 #21
Leading with ideas bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #22
It has been amazing how Trump has managed to do what he has done. The GOP Autumn Jan 2020 #25
How Did BirdandSquirrel Jan 2020 #43
Bernie is electoral malpractice. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #28
The Bulwark is run by a bunch of rich, elite Republicans. OliverQ Jan 2020 #31
Because they represent a huge number of voters? TreasonousBastard Jan 2020 #41
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 4t+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #37
I'm glad they also point out how regressive Sanders' plan to forgive student debt is. He should be highplainsdem Jan 2020 #40
sanders is a weak candidate who would be destroyed by trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #42
Sanders is a very weak general elect candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #45
CNN-Esitimated cost of sanders programs-$60 trillion Gothmog Feb 2020 #46
Sanders legislative agenda would have no way of being passed even if elected. Here's why: Gothmog Feb 2020 #47
 

heckles65

(549 posts)
1. "Having suffered the ministrations of their local Bureau of Motor Vehicles"
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jan 2020

I don't know about other states, but I live in Vermont, and the DMV there is aces. Go in, there's a person there that directs you to right line, take a number, sit down, 15-20 minutes later max you leave with what you wanted.

If health care worked like that, I'd be very happy. Other than that, I agree with the crux of the article. The Republicans are gift wrapping the issue and Bernie will blow it.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. It took 50 years for DMVs to get to that point. The ACA is working (where republicans aren't....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jan 2020

....hindering it) just fine.

Why throw out systems that are working (current Medicare, the ACA, and insurance) and start from scratch?

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MH1

(17,600 posts)
7. And "the DMV" is still frequently used as a punch line.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jan 2020

When appropriate I remind people that it actually works very well, most of the time. Sometimes one has to pay attention to the rules though.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. I've been in a DMV office only once in the last 20+ years, and that was because I lost my title....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jan 2020

....and needed an immediate replacement in order sell my car.

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Rilgin

(787 posts)
12. Strange definition of working
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jan 2020

The ACA had some benefits for some (not all) Americans at a huge cost. It is truly working for the Insurance Companies. For actual people it works with varying degrees of benefit ranging from good to not at all. Basically it shifts people without work supplied insurance (with its own co pays and problems) to insurance that may or may not be actually usable by the people forced to buy it. All this while siphoning off a huge part of the American Economy directly to the Insurance Companies rather than patients.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
23. Because MFA isn't starting from scratch. Medicare is an existing program that can be added to and
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jan 2020

enlarges. The ACA isn't working well.The GOP has cut it till it's bleeding with no stopping.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
26. Even the existing Medicare would have to be drastically changed in how it's administered....
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jan 2020

Plus, it only has 44 million enrollees. There are 330 million Americans, meaning it would have to be expanded by more than 700%.

It's simply not workable as presented.

The ACA is working fine in states that have accepted it.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
36. The ACA, a relatively new program will have to be drastically changed now thanks to the GOP.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

And no, due to what the republicans have done to it it is not working fine in all states that have accepted it Healthcare premiums are rising. And it certainly isn't working in the 14 states that didn't expanded their Medicaid programs.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2019/07/26/12-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-killed-much-of-obamacare-without-repealing-it/

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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. As I said:
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jan 2020

"The ACA is working fine in states that have accepted it."

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SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
9. The DMV that I go to in Ohio is aces as well.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:57 AM
Jan 2020

I have had experiences in 3 DMV's in Ohio, and all were fast and swift.

I am almost 67.

I have never had a piece of mail lost.

The Post Office has a pretty good track record.

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
2. Most people hate the current system
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jan 2020

The median family of 4 ( with an income of 60,000 dollar a year) pay 20% of their income on healthcare premiums …. If you contract cancer , there is 50% chance your life savings will evaporate to nothing ….

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
44. No, most people don't hate the current system. That's the point.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jan 2020

That's just empirically false.

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LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
3. Since when did it become permissible to post content from right wing site likes The Bulwark?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jan 2020

Seriously, what is the difference between The Bulwark and FR or NRO or The Federalist?

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calimary

(81,459 posts)
19. Sometimes it's good to get a glimpse of the enemy's playbook.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

Or the enemy’s mindset from which they will wage their attacks.

Sometimes it can help us prepare to take them on.

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LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
30. So you're OK if a DUer violates the ToS and Rules so long as it supports your agenda?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

The OP is nothing more than a right wing smear of Sanders masked as an expose on opposition research.

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Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
5. ... Says William Kristol. n/t
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jan 2020
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
10. Right? And people complain about Joe Rogan.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:57 AM
Jan 2020
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Quixote1818

(28,968 posts)
6. Sorry, this is a dud. Nt
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:37 AM
Jan 2020
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Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
11. Trump is not that intelligent.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jan 2020

If Bernie is the nominee, expect the word "communist" in Trump's tweets about 50 times a day. Of course that wont affect those of us here, but don't underestimate how much it will do to turn out and sway independents and Trumps base.

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jalan48

(13,883 posts)
13. Ah,back to the old Reagan argument that "The government is the problem". How far we've fallen.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jan 2020
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Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
15. What I've always thought was funny about that arguement,
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jan 2020

was that if government was the problem, why did Reagan want to be the head of it? I love to ask Reagan worshippers that.

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jalan48

(13,883 posts)
17. Good question. Maybe he thought he was just acting in a movie.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jan 2020
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calimary

(81,459 posts)
20. For somebody who railed against the guv'mnt SO loudly and frequently,
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jan 2020

YES that’s a legitimate question.

“Because I just wanna blow it all up...”

Okay. So when you blow it all up, are YOU the one who will be trying to live in the wreckage? Or will you then plead poverty and say we can’t afford to fix it but we do have to cut taxes?

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the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
14. People in Minnesota...
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jan 2020

Want to be overcharged for healthcare and medication? I don’t think so....

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rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
16. Pay for it not that hard. Take it from the fat, bloated military & tax the rich.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:45 PM
Jan 2020
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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
24. Pentagon made $35 trillion in accounting changes in a year. More than the entire US economy. That's
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jan 2020

how we pay for healthcare.

Pentagon racks up $35 trillion in accounting changes in a year

The Pentagon made $35 trillion in accounting adjustments last year alone -- a total that’s larger than the entire U.S. economy and underscores the Defense Department’s continuing difficulty in balancing its books.

The latest estimate is up from $30.7 trillion in 2018 and $29 trillion in 2017, the first year adjustments were tracked in a concerted way, according to Pentagon figures and a lawmaker who’s pursued the accounting morass.


The figure dwarfs the $738 billion of defense-related funding in the latest U.S. budget, a spending plan that includes the most expensive weapons systems in the world including the F-35 jet as well as new aircraft carriers, destroyers and submarines.

“Within that $30 trillion is a lot of double, triple, and quadruple counting of the same money as it got moved between accounts,” said Todd Harrison, a Pentagon budget expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/pentagon-racks-up-35-trillion-in-accounting-changes-in-one-year/ar-BBZcVdy
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Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
27. Huh? How does that work?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jan 2020

Im for cutting the defense budget and fixing their corrupt accounting.

But as you say 35 trillion is more than the economy. It is almost 50 times the size of the defense budget. Even with 10 year numbers defense is 7-8 trillion.

In other words I have no idea how there can be 35 trillion of accounting errors. It must mean something but it isn’t a 35 trillion dollar pool of cash.

We can’t use that 35 trillion to pay for anything unless it is savings rather than accounting mumbo jumbo.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
29. If they have to make that big an adjustment they have too much money. CUTS, CUTS, Cuts
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

They get more and more every year, so does the military. They are given more than they ask for. They can tighten their belt and account for their funding. Just like the state. If they don't use it in a year they lose it.

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Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
32. If you cut it to zero you still don't get 35 trillion
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020

Defense gets 700 billion a year. 7 trillion in 10 years.

I have no idea what they mean by 35 trillion of accounting errors, but it can’t mean there is 35 trillion in savings. You can’t save more than what is being spent.

Cutting the defense budget to pay for healthcare reform is a logical argument.

Taking an accounting fraud number that is 5 times bigger than the 10 year budget and trying to call that a funding source makes no sense.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
34. Whoosh..I used it to point out the Pentagon gets way too much money. They and the military
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:59 PM
Jan 2020

budget are too fucking big. We can afford them but we can't afford healthcare. I think that's what makes no sense instead of you can’t save more than what is being spent. You know they don't save anything.
The problem is that they spend enough to have to adjust by a number of dollars bigger than the entire US economy. We will never know, there is no accountability.

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Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
35. So 35 trillion was just hyperbole
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020

Fine. That was my point.

I already said in each reply what most people here say. Cut the defense budget. Use the savings for healthcare. If we cut by half that’s 3.5 trillion over 10 years. That’s a large chunk of money but not enough. That’s why everyone’s plans have other funding sources, usually by raising other taxes.

And I agree that’s what we should do. I’ll go further and say we have to cut healthcare costs by half. That is there are huge savings to be had if we got our costs in line with other countries.

My reaction was only to the implication that there was 35 trillion to be saved from the accounting scandal.



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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
38. The pentagons hyperbole. Scandals make the news, this was only a blip and when it comes time
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jan 2020

for the pentagon and the military to get more money the politicians will give them whatever they want and more without giving a shit about numbers. Then they will scream we can't afford healthcare.

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rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
33. In other words, The Pentagon in Theft Engine, stealing us blind for decades.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jan 2020

Lincoln knew it & spoke about it, so did Eisenhower.

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irisblue

(33,022 posts)
18. The Bulwark is a center right news source, is that an acceptable source?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jan 2020
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BirdandSquirrel

(36 posts)
21. The Original Post On This Topic
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jan 2020

Is very narrow minded and short sighted. The arguments raised would surely ooze from the mouth of Jaba-The-Smut, but would be easily countered by the Sanders campaign as fear mongering, absent of fact, and purely designed to scare people away from that from which they would all benefit mightily. Using examples like Denmark, Sweden, Canada, and Great Britain, the oozer of lies, would be exposed to everyone as the Fascist fear spreader, that he is. Hell, even just using the example of Medicare right here in our own country, Bernie would mop the floor with him on that topic alone.

This country is becoming too socially conservative, and the original post proves that point without any shadow of a doubt. America should be the most socially liberal country on earth. Our very own Constitution is the guidebook for a liberal society. But I see more and more people who profess to be liberals, relying on the big book of lies to form their social agendas. As a country, we MUST put that pile of garbage back into it's proper place in society, on the shelf with all of the other children's books filled with Fables and Fairy Tales. We should be fighting to make children in school, learn all about the United States Constitution, instead of having to fight to keep BS out of the minds of impressionable children.

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bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
22. Leading with ideas
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020

is a difficult sell in most Congresses. Sanders' ability to schmooze and jawbone may be fine, but there is no substitute for party discipline, horsetrading, favors. It was said President Carter had little pull on Capitol Hill. IMO Sanders would have difficulty leading for lack of cooperation.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
25. It has been amazing how Trump has managed to do what he has done. The GOP
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

isn't known for horsetrading, favors. They will not work with ANY president that isn't a Puke. Take that to tha bank. Someone has to say I'm doing it on day one.

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BirdandSquirrel

(36 posts)
43. How Did
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:20 PM
Jan 2020

all of that pandering to right wing zealots work for Barack Obama? And I suppose that having a republican like Uncle Joe, cutting every social safety net that he can find, would be a better result.

We have had all of the wall street-hugging politicians that we can stand. We are in dire need of politicians that will stand up to wall street, big pharma, and oil and gas.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
28. Bernie is electoral malpractice.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jan 2020

He's going scorched earth over something that'll never pass the Senate.

3 Democratic Senators have publicly said no. He has no path to get the votes.

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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
31. The Bulwark is run by a bunch of rich, elite Republicans.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

Why would we listen to anything a Republican has to say about who is the best Dem candidate?

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
41. Because they represent a huge number of voters?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:19 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
37. If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 4t+ states
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jan 2020
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highplainsdem

(49,034 posts)
40. I'm glad they also point out how regressive Sanders' plan to forgive student debt is. He should be
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

hammered on that every day.

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Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
42. sanders is a weak candidate who would be destroyed by trump
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:23 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

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45. Sanders is a very weak general elect candidate
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
46. CNN-Esitimated cost of sanders programs-$60 trillion
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020



Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton.

Sanders' plan would also increase the size of government far more than any modern Republican president, including Ronald Reagan, has sought to cut it, Summers' analysis concluded.

"On the spending side, ... this is far more radical than all previous presidencies, on either the right or the left," Summers said in an interview. "The Sanders spending increase is roughly 2.5 times the size of the New Deal and the estimated fiscal impact of George McGovern's campaign proposals. This is six times as large of a growth of government than any of the Ronald Reagan dismemberments. We are in a kind of new era of radical proposal."

Exact cost projections on all of Sanders' proposals aren't available, in part because he hasn't fully fleshed out some of the ideas he's embraced (such as universal pre-K and child care). But a wide variety of estimates put the likely cost of the single-payer health care plan he has endorsed around $30 trillion or more over the next decade. Depending on the estimates used, including projections from his own campaign, the other elements of the Sanders agenda -- ranging from his "Green New Deal" to the cancellation of all student debt to a guaranteed federal jobs program that has received almost no scrutiny -- could cost about as much, or even more than, the single-payer plan. That would potentially bring his 10-year total for new spending to around $60 trillion, or more.
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Gothmog

(145,553 posts)
47. Sanders legislative agenda would have no way of being passed even if elected. Here's why:
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020
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