I mean, maybe one or two of them were like "this plan is a useless pile of garbage, but I'll just endorse it anyway" but I don't think very many of them.

I guess Bernie didn't think handshaking or background noise was so important.

"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of Bernie's plan that Biden said scientists disagree with.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=453633

Maybe getting some sleep would be a good idea.

Like, Biden said different things in different parts of the video. So, yeah, in a part of the video that wasn't clipped by Bernie, he said some different thing. That's not too surprising.

That's why the context is important and the short clip is misleading.

It's also why the BS choice to replace the word "it" with [Bernie Sanders plan] instead of the actual topic they were talking about [zero emissions by 2030] is so troubling.

"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of Bernie's plan that Biden said scientists disagree with.

He didn't say that scientists didn't agree with Bernie's entire plan.

You're welcome!

When one has no real rebuttal.

There's a saying about pigeons and chess...

Try again

"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of the plan that he said scientists disagree with. The Sanders campaign is mischaracterizing it as something else....

And it's not the first time....

I was just making a little joke.

I can’t really comment on if that is a realistic goal but I’m inspired to investigate now.

Brackets indicate that the enclosed material is not part of the quotation. Neither the green new deal nor the BS environmental plan were mentioned by either speaker.

The tweet puts the words "Bernie Sanders' plan" into Joe Biden's mouth.

The woman says "Bernie's plan is pretty impressive", and Biden interrupts to say the single solitary scientist thing.

and the discussion is specifically discussing zero emissions by 2030.

That's what "it" refers to, it's completely obvious. Start at 40:00. She brings up Bernie's plan, Biden says no scientist thinks it will work.

and the Republicans said that their own businesses was completely obvious what "that" referred to?



"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of the plan that he said scientists disagree with. The Sanders campaign is mischaracterizing it as something else.

Which is something that's happened before.



So there's that.

As someone told me recently...



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"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of the plan that he said scientists disagree with. The Sanders campaign is mischaracterizing it as something else....

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If you look at a different part of the video than the part Bernie clipped, then for obvious reasons it's about something different than what was being discussed at 40:00 where the clip was taken.

"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of Bernie's plan that Biden said scientists disagree with.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=453633

Biden wants 0 emissions by 2050. That is a death wish for a lot of us.

That's why Sen. Warren was pissed off about him calling her a liar.

I think Bernie is hurting himself more than he is hurting his opponents. Just be honest and sell yourself.

And Biden interrupted to say the single solitary scientist comment.

"You can't have zero emissions by 2030", that was the part of the plan that he said scientists disagree with. Bernie made it sound like Joe was dissing the entire plan.

So yes. He was. Watch it at 40 minute mark. Besides, the timeline for 0 emissions is the basis for either of their plans.

actually catch him at anything.

Who's going to clean up the exploding heads?

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"You can't have zero emissions by 2030" that was the part of Bernie's plan that Biden said scientists disagree with.

You're welcome!

38:25:

Thanks lapucelle.

(and I'm using caps because you did)

BERNIE'S PLAN IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE

If you look at part of the video that's not in the Bernie ad, then it's going to be different.

That's the part of the video that established the antecedent for the pronoun. They are talking specifically discussing zero emissions.

It's not about BS. It's about zero emissions.

Not him. Zero Emissions.

You are quoting the wrong part of the exchange.

They’re discussing scientists in the context of when we can reasonably anticipate reaching zero emissions. The young woman thinks it can be done by 2020. That’s what Biden is referring to in the misleading clip.

The BS campaign needs to correct their transcript by replacing their bracketed insert of words Biden never said with the accurate quote. The BS campaign can recreate their user generated video with the full clip of the entire exchange instead of their out of context version.

That’s the honest and ethical thing to do, especially given the fact that BS has already been called out by fact checkers twice this month for misrepresenting both an opponent’s and his own record in just the past month alone.

Biden makes the comment right after the woman says Bernie's plan is pretty impressive. Bernie's plan calls for a domestic reduction of emissions of 71% by 2030. The woman never mentions the year 2030. Where did Biden get that year from?

It's not nice to try to fool voters.

Seems odd to just throw that out there don't you think?

Dissembling is a strategy that won't work here given the fact that Biden never said anything about the BS plan or the green new deal and that the BS campaign took a quote out of context and then changed some of the words for good measure.

And they've done it before.

Why did Biden counter the woman's statement ""I think Bernie's plan is pretty impressive. What they're comparing their plan to — "" with "Not a single solitary scientist think it'd work. You can not get to zero emissions by 2030. It's impossible."

As I've said in other posts, I think Biden just made a mistake. Thinking that Bernie's plan called for acheiving zero emissions byy 2030 when it actually calls for reducing emissions by 71% by that year.

Personally, I don't think it's much of a deal. Given how much candidates have to talk and answer questions, it's a given they'll sometimes get their facts wrong. And it's also a given that opponents will try to make political hay out of a candidate's mistakes.

I'm not trying to bash Biden here. I'm just trying to make the point that he most likely made a simple mistake.

But thank you for playing.

I asked a simple question and you've done your best in trying to distract from it.

Why did Biden say "Not a single solitary scientist think it'd work. You can not get to zero emissions by 2030. It's impossible."? What is "it"?

Again, I think Biden made a simple mistake.

of what Biden actually said is the very definition of a red herring.

call the Green New Deal is just a bullet point wish list.

Filed as legislation.

Wait, those are resolutions calling for someone else to do the actual work of writing legislation that does something.

It mandates the executive powers (if federal) to incoporate the requirements by law. Who do you think did all the work for the ACA? The legislature? No, it was passed onto the federal government to create the framework for it. Just like the GND would do. Legislation is law that is requiring somebody to "do the actual work" of following the law. Not some magic wand that makes everything happen by itself.

Which means it will be voted on as a set of goals to pursue.

Bernie is doing attack ads on a dead bill. AOC's version house is languishing.

Bernie's is by 2030. Biden has made clear he doesn't think 2030 is possible in his plan alone. Of course, my generation knows that is a death wish for so many of us.

first Warren and now Biden...….who next will he attack?

That and the abrupt truncation of the clip.

It's one after another of fabrications. Shame.

Not a good look.

There is no need to misrepresent the statements of another candidate, if you truly have faith that your position on the issues is strong enough to stand against the opponents actual statements.

I agree, it is not a good look for Bernie. That kind of politics might work with republican voters, but it is a real turn off with Democrats. So whenever Bernie's campaign misrepresents Biden, it makes Biden look like the better man.

"You can't make this shit up."

Apparently you can.



*sigh*

if they reject Bernie so be it, if they accept him so be it, my teenager shows more composure.

Oh wait...

Shouldn't he be the focus of Bernie's ire. Or Trump. Biden is not the problem.


"The vote was 57 against the resolution in the 100-member chamber, with 43 Democrats voting “present,” avoiding an up-or-down vote. Republicans won over Democratic Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema and one independent senator, Angus King, who usually votes with that party.

The Green New Deal, introduced last month by Democrats, marked an initial attempt to define legislation to create government-led investments in clean energy like wind and solar power, infrastructure and social programs."

"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters the Green New Deal was discussed with Trump at a party lunch on Tuesday. Graham said Trump told Republican senators: “Make sure you don’t kill it too much because I want to run against it.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climate-greennewdeal/republicans-defeat-green-new-deal-in-u-s-senate-vote-democrats-call-a-stunt-idUSKCN1R71BZ

sanders and Sirota have been lying about Joe for while

IMO, Biden is under the mistaken impression that Bernie's Green New Deal calls for zero emissions by 2030 when it actually calls for a reduction in emissions of 71% domestically.

"We will reduce domestic emissions by at least 71 percent by 2030 and reduce emissions among less industrialized nations by 36 percent by 2030 "

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/

Your link is to a clip manufactured by a user. It carries the following red-letter explicit warning from C-SPAN.

of them especially after this:

...be familiar with Sanders' green new deal, it's just a brief outline with no benchmarks on when anything will be completed OR how he'll specifically fund it.