Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHas Trump 'dirtied' the Biden Name?
The New York Times, 1-21-2020
" Trump Tried to Dirty the Biden Name. He May Still Get His Chance. "
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" Senate Republicans are threatening to give President Trump what even a foreign government knew was inappropriate: the dirtying of a political rival. What an irony it would be if Mr. Trumps impeachment trial itself yielded the very result for which he is being impeached: the corruption of Americas election integrity by the baseless denigration of Mr. Trumps leading rival. "
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/trump-biden-impeachment.html
...has trump 'dirtied' the Biden Name?
...what do you think?
...I don't think trump or the republicans have so far...
...but then again, who knows?
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joinfortmill
(14,429 posts)If anything, Biden is more liked.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)It seems to be working to Biden's advantage and making Trump look bad.
The people who believe the corruption allegations are people who weren't going to vote for Biden in the first place.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Trump is running scared.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)Means you are doing something right,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,346 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)Biden delivers his words clearly, he doesn't dodge issues, he looks the audience in the eye. Sure he nuances here or there, but you feel like he's being as open as he should be and as honest as he can be. I don't feel like he's bottling up the truth to prevent me from seeing it, nor creating lies and smokescreens to deceive me. Compare him to McConnell. Or both Bushes, or Lindsey, or Tom Cotton, McCarthy, Gingrich. They are totally spinning it. You won't find Biden releasing more pollution and telling you the rivers are cleaner than they've ever been.
So no, I don't think they've dirtied up Biden. Biden is like Obama in that regard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)that the GOP can't fathom. GOP enjoys lying to get their way. That feeds their invincibility, privilege, and arrogance. Biden don't need any of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)To bring him down!!
Some have chosen to grovel in the gutter, Joe is above that. Its what the country wants in poll after poll article after article
Go Joe go... the demise of your campaign rides only into the dust bins of spin!!
Weve got your back
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)World likes him, too.
The allies anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Joe Biden has a phenomenal record as follower of the rules. He didn't use political power to make himself wealthy. All of the wealth he has now is from what he and Jill did with their own money they made from their jobs which led to real estate purchases, money from books they have written and other normal things like pensions and retirement accounts, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)There were ugly lies about him on the Senate floor during the impeachment trial. So it will probably get worse and would explain some recent drops in polling.
His favorable has gone from +31 to +18
https://news.gallup.com/poll/257612/biden-maintaining-majority-favorable-rating.aspx
They did the same thing to Hillary. She'd recovered to about +30 favorable as Secretary of State in 2012. Benghazi & email pounding .... as of 2019, -29
https://miro.medium.com/max/3850/1*yXluQuuKLt1Ku8CKoRN73A.png
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Your posting Gallup. PLEASE
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Here's Hillary's favorable numbers from Real Clear Politics with many polls including Gallup largely showing the damage Benghazi & the email scandal and GOP attack ads did.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html
Gallup generally reflects those results whether you like them or not.
Unlike RCP, Gallup keeps doing it for politicians so their numbers are more current.
For Biden, the RCP numbers are much worse than Gallup
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/joe_biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.html
In 2018 Joe was +20 to +33.
Now, he's -5
All this BS crap Trump and the GOP are spewing about Burisma and the Ukraine is exacting a cost to his public perception.
Obama's favorability wasn't immune to attacks like "he's a Muslim" or "he's a Kenyan" or "death panels" either.
So Joe is in pretty good company. But we can't ignore the fact that this lying the GOP is doing about him is hurting his candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PAMod
(906 posts)I'd have to say not likely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...for you input...
...I used to agree but now I'm not so sure...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zentrum
(9,865 posts)It's created a set of swamp-type images. Even though there's no proof that Biden or his son ever did anything illegal. It just "looks bad" that Biden was in charge of Ukraine policy and then his son was hired for this job.
Doesn't matter that the Trump spawn and spawn-in-laws are profiting from Trump being in the WH.
The story still lands on the Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...you may be right...
" It just "looks bad" that Biden was in charge of Ukraine policy and then his son was hired for this job. "
...that's a shame...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)no,just cheap shots from those who wish their candidates were doing as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,169 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PAMod
(906 posts)Not by definition, anyway - unless it can be proven that Vice President Biden actively helped Hunter Biden in some way.
As far as we know, that did not happen.
In fact, the opposite may be true, as the Vice President continued to pressure the Ukraine government to redouble their efforts against corruption, potentially putting young Biden in harm's way because of his choices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
um......YES
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nepotism
noun [ U ] formal disapproving
UK /ˈnep.ə.tɪ.zəm/ US /ˈnep.ə.tɪ.zəm/
the act of using your power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)Voters know this!! They know dotard and his ilk lie. No one is buying what dotard and the crap gop are saying.
If that were the case it would have happened long before this!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)And all these bogus attacks are just calling attention to Biden's obvious character and integrity. Trump has given Biden a lot of unsolicited media attention and in the process, people are seeing what kind of a person he is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pfeiffer
(280 posts)was posted by a Sanders supporter...even before I clicked the link.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)See, we're so polarized that most Dems and Indys who have been paying attention will vote against Trump no matter what. We could be running my year-old Siamese cat and I'd vote for him over Trump!
And, anyone who will still be voting for Trump already hates Biden. And Bernie. And Amy, Pete, Elizabeth, Andrew - they have demonized all of our candidates, and us too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)She's not exactly the most savvy person and admits it. She's one of those people who think there are always two sides to every story. Problem is, she can't tell which one is correct.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)even though it's unjustified, much like Hillary had to deal with Uranium 1, Benghazi, emails, etc. Despite them all being completely stupid arguments against her, it still hurt her politically.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
texasfiddler
(1,990 posts)Otherwise I believe Trump fatigue is a real thing and his bullshit wont have much impact on bread and butter kitchen table voters in the Midwest that will determine who the next President will be. Trumps Achilles heel will be him touting the economy throughout the Midwest. Hillary did this in terms of Obamas economy and it made her look tone deaf.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)Sometime around late Summer early fall there will be a swift boat type media blitz on the Biden, Burizma thing if he get the nomination. How much will people believe it or how effective it will be, is the big question. It appears that Dimitri Firtash, the Russian Oligarch who is in Austria and being held for extradition to the US, is funding the ground work through Rudy. Rudy is getting the supposed information from the ex Ukrainan prosecutors, who were dismissed for corruption, or pro Russian politicians. In other words it will be Russian propaganda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)sure are trying hard. Not very successfully.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Shame!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dbolski
(52 posts)The job just sounds so much worse imo, than the phone call does. Many probably don't care if Biden didn't break any rules and Trump did. They will judge based on what they think SHOULD be illegal. So yes it probably does hurt him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,636 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)1) Hunter's done nothing worse than Ivanka has done. Unseemly, perhaps, but not demonstrably illegal.
2) Joe is Joe. Joe is not Hunter.
3) It's a little perplexing to think about how much political influence Burisma was theoretically buying. At the time Huner got the job, it looked like his dad would possibly be retiring from politics.
4) Extorting a foreign power for personal political gain is super corrupt. It's Banana Republic dictator stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
trump is scared of Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I hope his supporters begin to reflect his character better than the current crop, else he'll keep hemorrhaging in the polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)from someone making it as a power play? Then we have sunk very low.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)There are big differences such as Giuliani going around making a fool of himself on every television network in the country, Trump being betrayed by multiple close associates, and the networks have done a much much better job not giving as much legitimacy to the lies. It's a very different narrative being painted than before.
The GOP voting to not call witnesses while 75% of the public wants them won't help their case either. Then you throw in Trump hiring Dershowitz, who is probably the worst attorney in the nation to hire right now.
Basically, Trump and the GOP have done nearly everything wrong up to this point, and the needle hasn't moved in any direction. The current dire situation is despite their smear campaigns, not because of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Trump knocks people off one at a time. If you/we allow Trump to do this to our people, no one will be safe from him. Especially Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)...working hard to keep mentions of those smears against Biden up to date on DU, aren't you...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)...do you think that the GOP's enthusiastic support will help or 'dirty' Bernie?...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden