and feel similar about anti-ANYONE attacks here; worthless.

So says the OP.

Something is certainly "really getting ridiculous" and it's not anti-Bernie ads.

A quick look tells me what it really is.

"Parody" implies honest attempt at humor. That's not at all what this is.

sickens me.

Terrorized staff? Really?

And it's Bernie's fault, and that's why we can't have healthcare and clean energy.

getting nothing done but at least your guy is in office. Suddenly the ACA isn't worthy of consideration or building upon.

The ACA was convincing people across the land that people ...all people need healthcare. Even people covered need to be protected. You can keep your kids on until 26...DEMOCRATS DID THAT. That gets through even to deplorables.

I'm sick of wasted words and faux accomplishments. I've voting for a DEMOCRAT GOT THAT.

I mean, just look at all the dishonest attacks they're throwing at Bernie for trying to get those things.

super majority then and someone who can really sell that to the country...and that's not Bernie. If it was he should be running away with this thing since he's done nothing but campaign. He can't even run away with it in the party he caucuses with.

That's why we were going in the right direction with the ACA but suddenly that's not good at all. Oh it doesn't cover everybody ..yes I understand so you'd rather have it torn down and then how many people will be covered. ????

I'm sick of the pie in the sky crap....GET REAL...This is reality and look around at what we still have to deal with in this country. THE DEMOCRATS not the independants paid the price for passing the ACA...we got reamed but WE GOT IT DONE...unlike Sanders.

as opposed to starting with half-measures. I guess we'll see if a majority of primary voters like his approach.

Building on ACA is just a pitiful half measure? It could be built and expanded upon, yet the wrong name is attached to it so it must be destroyed.

Sad. It did me well. Covered me when I had nothing. Covered me for 70 per month. COBRA 700.

It would cost my family $1200 per month for me, my husband and our daughter, so it does me no good. Still can't afford it. All it does for me is guarantee me a tax penalty at the end of the year.

Democrat? Doesn't sound like it.

Sanders didn't inherit that wisdom from Kennedy, apparently.

Ted Kennedy said that one of the biggest regrets of his career was not sitting down with Nixon to talk health care reform, because Democrats told him to walk away from anything other than single payer.... back in 1971.

Nixon was proposing a plan that was to the left of the ACA.

Kennedy said that if he had stayed at the table, we might have something much closer to what Canada has now.

That "My way or the highway" attitude killed what might have made all this current effort and division unneccessary.

Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it

https://thinkprogress.org/ted-kennedys-record-on-health-care-reform-9118c3ee077c/

We had something. It was a beginning that could be built on. I was on ACA for a short time. Unemployed and in my 60's and no way I could afford COBRA at 700 per month. I qualified for ACA through Tufts. 70 dollars a month and it gave me my PCP and piece of mind.

I support Warren, yet disagree with M4A at this point in time. We need to build on a good plan and make it stronger.

fuck yes I want a candidate who at least realizes the importance of clean energy and universal healthcare. Btw, according to the latest science, without clean energy, and relatively soon, the rest of our concerns are moot. Oh, and wouldn’t we all be better served by a citizenry free from the anxieties and sufferings of our oppressive, greed addled healthcare-for-profit model?

at all. I thought the 2016 election would of illustrated that. We are up against bad and dirty forces so
Fuck Yeah I want a candidate who can win and help every down ballot ticket too and that's why I'm voting for
Joe Biden.

Obama barely got ACA through. BS admitted we did not have the votes for single payer. Then he called for a primary against a very popular sitting President.

I always thought you liked Obama. I must have gotten that wrong.

I know, Demsrule. Sad, isn't it.

I got it.

Late for me too.

Where do you get the idea that I don't?

Your support for a Senator that wanted to primary a sitting President Obama during the 2012 election.

Did you not read the message you are replying to?

I must have missed your OP title? "The anti-Bernie attacks are really getting ridiculous..."

You seem to be very vocal about Senator Sanders. List your top three if your really undecided.

He's a Dem candidate, and according to the odds, he's the favorite, so I'm defending one of if not the leading Dem candidate from attacks, many of which come from Republicans like Jennifer Rubin.

I don't have to have a preference to defend Dem candidates from Republican attacks.

But I do not appreciate being called a Republican. I supported Senator Sanders since 2007 I was hoping he would run in 2008 but he did not. When he failed to win the 2016 nomination, I supported Hillary Clinton for president and voted for her and all Democratic Candidates down ballot.

I lost my old "handle" when the forum was hack, albeit I only had 450 posts across 15 years.

You will have to forgive me for looking up your recent OP. Almost all your posts across this forum are in some way in support of Senator Sanders. I can't read an article without seeing your "handle" defending Senator Sanders in one way or another.

I can understand why you would not want to commit to be a Sanders 2020 supporter on this forum. But your lack of defense of other candidates shows.

My posts across this forum are indeed mostly defending Sanders, because, like I said, that's who I see on the receiving end of a lot of dishonest attacks. I can give you examples if you want, but you've probably seen them.

I don't know who I'm supporting because I care more about beating Trump than anything else, and I'm undecided about who is the most likely to beat Trump. If it were just about which policies I like best, then yeah it would be Sanders (or Warren).

On edit,

I forget sometimes we vote for policies not politicians.

Undecided seems to be a mistake. Going back to Jan 21, primary forum didn't go back further, you have 13 topics on Senator Sanders, 2 on Joe Rogan, 2 on VP Biden, and 1 on Mayor Pete.

It appears that you are currently a Senator Sander supporter for 2020 President. Did I get that wrong by chance?

Sure is. Click the forum and sort by Author. Took less than a minute.

had Sanders winning by double digits...electability. Going to leave a mark..people will vote for the most electable candidate in my opinion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287454077

I didn't read anything about storming or terrorizing.

I bet you didn't either.

But maybe for some people peaceful protest are terrifying. Are you putting your own emotional script into the news story?

needs to be a victim.

and one about Bernie's rowdy supporters and one about something Bernie said 30+ years ago and one from some centrist saying Bernie can never beat Trump. And that's just at a glance.

THEY DO!!!

I mean, one could say Bernie voted against the Brady Bill, which he did. We don't have to go pretending that no scientists support Bernie's climate plan. Or that Bernie really doesn't think Single Payer would work.

there's plenty

I mean, why would Chris Matthews say that Bernie wouldn't help someone at the side of the road? Has he really not got anything better to attack Bernie with?

"He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done," Clinton says in the film, according to The Hollywood Reporter. "He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it."


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have you never seen politicians in action before?

it's just fucking sad

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I am curious, does Elizabeth have current ties with Sanders - I see their names liked so often it really is what turns me off to her.

And I know the campaign hasn’t made them closer.

Oh another one...is I posted all the poll numbers...no Bernie surge. Sorry...not really.

Hence this OP.

criticism of Sanders is deemed irrelevant...by his supporters. He is lucky to have you DanTex.

And Bernie didn't say that Single Payer would bankrupt the nation.
The random kids protesting Biden has nothing to do with anything.
The centrists saying Bernie can't win is just centrists being centrists.

And then there's Chris Matthews saying he didn't think Bernie would help someone at the side of the road. LOL.

I was responding to someone who said they hadn't seen any Bernie attacks. I found that surprising, because Bernie attacks are everywhere, here, twitter, TV, everywhere. But, fortunately, because of the absurdity of the attacks....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287449725

Polls show Sanders is not beating Trump...so also true...Chris Matthews has an opinion that Sanders is in it for himself...and no one else...kind of true... I just don't think these are false. The Medicaid thing is old but then so was the one Sanders used against Biden...It is a primary.

He said that would happen if the funding mechanism wasn't changed. Obviously. That's what Single Payer is. The title of that tweet dishonestly left out the part about the change of funding mechanism. The whole clip was part of a discussion about Canada's Single Payer healthcare system and why it was so much more efficient than ours. To portray that as Bernie saying Single Payer can't work is just absurd.

You see what I'm getting at, right? I mean, eventually after this happens enough times, people who aren't already predisposed to hating Bernie just kind of get used to the daily stream of totally dishonest attacks on Bernie that come from centrist or right-wing twitter accounts. It all starts to blur together in one big pile of nonsense.

Obviously, you can't have single payer in the US without changing the funding mechanism. It's a whole change to the system.

Beyond that, think for a second. Back then Bernie was even more socialist than now. Does it make any sense whatsoever that he would be against single payer in 1987? Of course not! This is common sense. I mean, at least they should pretend to find a video saying Bernie wanted to abolish private property. But to pretend that Bernie was some kind of deficit hawk conservative that doesn't think we can have expansive social programs? Give me a break!

He said we shouldn't have it and the funding was the reason...tax and spend didn't fly in 1987

never interfere with a good Bernie bashing!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

There's now even a name for this phenomenon... it's called the Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

1) Bernie supposedly misrepresenting Biden
From what I watched it is true. It also isn't the first time that this has happened.

2) One about Bernie's rowdy supporters
It is true, five people were arrested for protesting at one of Biden's campaign office and they were so proud of their protest that they posted it on social media. They are fortunate that there was no physical violence and the Biden team should be commended for maintaining their professionalism.

3) One about something Bernie said 30+ years ago
Fair game since Bernie is putting up ads about things Biden said 30+ years ago. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

4) Some centrist saying Bernie can never beat Trump
I don't know which thread you are referring to, but it sounds like an opinion piece and I believe that opinion is held by more than just the author of the piece. This is a political discussion board so it seems like fair game again.

BTW, my preferred choice remains undecided.

Thank you!

Take away every post attacking Sanders and/or his supporters, and 80% of this site's traffic instantly goes up in smoke.

' otherwise knows as ratfucking. Yeah, not a good look for the good Senator. You ever hear of Iowa nice? It is not just in Minnesota...you know where people are honest, polite etc...Vote blue no matter who...have a nice evening.

Like the first link in the OP says, is that a reason poor people shouldn't have health insurance? Does anyone care about some random protestors not associated with any campaign? I mean, it's not like Bernie sent them.

Like someone's going to sit around and think, well, gee, Bernie has the most aggressive climate plan, but there were these annoying kids who protested Biden, forget it!

climate plan. It will never pass Congress either. You think they were Warren supporters...this is a Sirota king of move so no.Vote Blue no matter who...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-climate-plan-will-take-us-nowhere/2019/08/25/4e780768-c5c3-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

This is what I was talking about. Eventually all the attacks just kind of blend into a huge stream of nonsense. I mean, he gets pummeled and pummeled and his poll numbers keep going up. It's like "attack fatigue".

All carbon tax shit...it will never pass...we need to start somewhere with stuff that can get done. The plan would also destroy the economy.

My view is it's better to start with bold solutions and negotiate them down than it is to start with half-measures.

To say the plan would "destroy the economy" is the usual fear-mongering about climate and the economy that anti-climate people have been peddling for decades.

And the larger problem is, when the same centrists and conservatives have been writing dishonest articles attacking Bernie over and over again, their credibility gets strained. Eventually people who don't already hate Bernie aren't going to go through each one on the off chance that this one attack isn't as nonsensical as the other 20 that came before it.

And I can tell you that this is actually happening. I'm sure that in the anti-Bernie circles, every one of these looks like a devastating blow, even that 1987 single payer thing that ignores the funding mechanism. But believe me, outside of that, it looks very different.

I did not start out this election cycle pro-Bernie. I don't even know if I'm pro-Bernie now, I just want to beat Trump. What has me defending Bernie is the sheer volume and absurdity of attacks thrown at him. And I'm not the only one.

Biden...we got to start somewhere plans did pass . He got gun control measures passed...Biden helped pass the first climate bill...I think he sponsored it. So,I think you start with a reasonable plan and go from there.

healthcare when Biden is president and we have a public option which is subsidized...this will stop red states from killing people by not expanding or fucking around with Medicaid.

...an inconvenient truth...

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Sanders supporters for months. And it’s not funny. Tell me what other campaign is making the kind of threats this man has received. And WHY has sanders done nothing ?? He should speak out to his followers and tell them this is unacceptable.

The company one keeps!!

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And with sander's record on gun control, it is particularly galling.

You compare any Dem to Trump, and that Dem's supporters are going to go after you online.

Besides... you REALLY think this wins anyone over...think again. It DRIVES voters away

This is why out of 57 states and territories your guy is predicted to win 16 and Biden 41!!

I would also say that smears against Bernie are just as not OK as smears against other people. That's why Bernie is surging in the polls. Well, that and the fact that he is for policies that people want.

Making false promises that even sanders knows will never become law is not giving people what they want.

Here’s some eye popping numbers about what Democrats want!!

Voters are fairly clear about what they would like from a Democrat. They prefer, by 82% to 11%, one who promises to find common ground over one who promises to fight for a progressive agenda; and they prefer a moderate over a liberal, 75% to 19%.


They support Biden over the president, 38% to 27%, but prefer the president to Warren, 37% to 20%. Sanders is in between, with the president leading him, 34% to 32%. This group voted for Trump by a smaller margin in 2016, 37% to 30%, with the rest casting ballots for minor candidates.

NYT/Sienna poll from late last year

It is beyond the pale!!

From self-described progressives who once claimed that they could not possibly be misogynist because they would totally vote for Warren if she was to run.

She's being called every name in the book, some very, very specific to women.

And then there's this:

but I hope Warren beats the crap out of Sanders in Iowa...he should reign in his supporters. Those attacks are disgusting. Warren is my second choice...and I would not rule her out in Iowa. She really does have a great ground game...and that college someone posted picked her....Sander wasn't even viable...the mock caucus.

Voted for bernie. Warren won hands down!! The bernie supporters stormed off in protest...oh thank you great god of karma!!

it protected their candidate...course they left with no delegates...he didn't qualify. I am not an expert on caucuses...hate them. But that is what I have seen in terms of an explanation.

supporters continue to attack her online...horrible. They say she has an incredible ground game.

Dr. Gibson McFuck should have been your first clue.

You really had difficulty figuring that out? The "He didn't. But are we just going to wait around until he does?" part didn't clue you in? Or just the title for that matter.

You really found it almost impossible to tell them apart from real articles?

That's pretty amazing, really. It explains a lot.