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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:36 AM Jan 2020

Sanders' Social Security 'adjustments' undercut Biden attack

Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.

With Iowa’s first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses less than a week away, Sanders’ remarks from decades ago are surfacing as a counterpunch to the criticism of Biden, as the two top candidates in the Democratic race escalate a feud over the nation’s most popular entitlement, an issue that has particular reach among older voters.
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Sanders’ allies have specifically highlighted Biden’s past use of the term “adjustments” — a word they say was deployed as a euphemism for cuts.

Yet Sanders himself used the word in an election-year opinion article about Social Security that ran in The Burlington Free Press in 1996.

“As our population ages,” Sanders wrote, “it is clear that we will have to make incremental adjustments in Social Security taxes and benefits — as Congress has done in the past.”

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That includes a major 1983 bill signed into law by Reagan that came as the program was on the brink of insolvency. It raised taxes on working families, froze benefit increases for six months and gradually raised the age at which retirees can receive full benefits from 65 to 67.

During a 1999 press conference, Sanders went further, praising the 1983 law as a good example of people coming together to enact a solution without draconian changes.

“We should remember that in 1982, Social Security was within a few months — a few months — of not being able to pay out all benefits owed to Americans,” Sanders said at the time. “And then people came together and said of course we want to save Social Security. They worked together, and they did.”


https://apnews.com/31c432f20acba807a569c7004abaf473
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Sanders' Social Security 'adjustments' undercut Biden attack (Original Post) ehrnst Jan 2020 OP
Posting another weak Bernie hit piece again. mikeysnot Jan 2020 #1
Facts getting a little uncomfortable there, Mikey? ehrnst Jan 2020 #2
... mikeysnot Jan 2020 #3
Can't even copy and paste one's own copy and paste... ehrnst Jan 2020 #34
Mikeysnot? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #4
JoeBiden mikeysnot Jan 2020 #5
Oh did you notice 538 adjusted their numbers in the forecast there was a "small' error Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #7
whatever you find comfort in mikeysnot Jan 2020 #9
"fuck the polls" indeed... ehrnst Jan 2020 #13
"fuck the polls"? oh mikey.. what if BS were ahead.. would you Cha Jan 2020 #25
Sorry there was no asterisk in my comment mikeysnot Feb 2020 #37
She POSTED A STRONG VETTING PIECE AGAINST BS Cha Jan 2020 #24
opinions masquerading as fact in a mikeysnot Feb 2020 #38
LOL. Like I said, nobody is going to believe that Bernie actually wants to cut Social Security. DanTex Jan 2020 #6
I'm glad this is coming out now mikeysnot Jan 2020 #8
Okay "general election". oasis Jan 2020 #12
Hey Mikey! Magical thinking and saying "Fuck the polls" is so totally gonna get the job done! ehrnst Jan 2020 #14
trying to use my images against me? mikeysnot Feb 2020 #39
Fish ain't biting, Mikey ehrnst Feb 2020 #40
No there is plenty left for two general elections...but I don't think Sander need worry about a Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
Yeah.. nobldy is Going to Believe the BS campaign that Biden Cha Jan 2020 #26
Yeah, the GOP is totally gonna give anything that is posted on DU ehrnst Jan 2020 #35
LOL. 'No one's going to believe' Bernie's own words on the subject? ehrnst Jan 2020 #10
This is the first I am hearing about this...thank you for posting...and I sincerely think that Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #18
There are many who would like the free press not to look too closely at certain candidates. ehrnst Jan 2020 #21
The same can be said for Biden, too. George II Jan 2020 #11
Well, Biden is on video bragging about seeking a freeze, and supported the Obama DanTex Jan 2020 #16
So according to rose twitter standards, Bernie Sanders wants to cut social security Cha Jan 2020 #27
And it is probably true although, times were desperate...but no one is going to believe Biden wanted Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #15
I guess we'll see. He supported Obama's proposed SS cuts, but yeah, maybe some people will just DanTex Jan 2020 #17
Bernie praised Reagan's SS cuts and higher taxes on working families. ehrnst Jan 2020 #19
omg... BS.. what were ya thinkin' Cha Jan 2020 #28
Ironic you're going with the attack line rather than a rational reponse... LanternWaste Jan 2020 #23
When one is highly emotional, and desperate ehrnst Jan 2020 #29
"So according to rose twitter standards, BS wants to cut social security" Cha Jan 2020 #31
That would be applying the same standards to both... ehrnst Jan 2020 #33
Too bad they can't handle the truth. Cha Jan 2020 #36
Like I said, nobody is saying that Bernie actually currently wants to cut social security ehrnst Jan 2020 #30
Also K&R Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #22
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #32
 

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
1. Posting another weak Bernie hit piece again.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:27 AM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
2. Facts getting a little uncomfortable there, Mikey?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. Can't even copy and paste one's own copy and paste...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:27 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
4. Mikeysnot?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020
I don't find it weak but compelling...
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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. Oh did you notice 538 adjusted their numbers in the forecast there was a "small' error
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jan 2020

and it was not in Sander's favor...dear dear...

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mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
9. whatever you find comfort in
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020

fuck the polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. "fuck the polls" indeed...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jan 2020

When they show one's candidate is doing the opposite of 'surging."

Whatever gives you comfort...

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Cha

(297,322 posts)
25. "fuck the polls"? oh mikey.. what if BS were ahead.. would you
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jan 2020

say the same thing?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
37. Sorry there was no asterisk in my comment
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:41 PM
Feb 2020

project much?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,322 posts)
24. She POSTED A STRONG VETTING PIECE AGAINST BS
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:49 PM
Jan 2020
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mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
38. opinions masquerading as fact in a
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:44 PM
Feb 2020

twitter account.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. LOL. Like I said, nobody is going to believe that Bernie actually wants to cut Social Security.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jan 2020

People can post or tweet random old quotes or grainy videos all they want, the record is clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
8. I'm glad this is coming out now
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jan 2020

it will be easy to swipe away in the general election. They won't have anything left and we will have responses for it in come July

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oasis

(49,389 posts)
12. Okay "general election".
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. Hey Mikey! Magical thinking and saying "Fuck the polls" is so totally gonna get the job done!
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
39. trying to use my images against me?
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:46 PM
Feb 2020

Hilarious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. Fish ain't biting, Mikey
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:55 PM
Feb 2020

But thanks for kicking the thread!

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
20. No there is plenty left for two general elections...but I don't think Sander need worry about a
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jan 2020

running in the General...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,322 posts)
26. Yeah.. nobldy is Going to Believe the BS campaign that Biden
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:52 PM
Jan 2020

wants to cut it.. but that doesn't stop them from trying..



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
35. Yeah, the GOP is totally gonna give anything that is posted on DU
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jan 2020

a pass in the GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. LOL. 'No one's going to believe' Bernie's own words on the subject?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020


Since you may have avoided reading the OP after seeing the headline:

At the time, the primary legislative fixes to Social Security financing had increased taxes and cut benefits. That includes a major 1983 bill signed into law by Reagan that came as the program was on the brink of insolvency. It raised taxes on working families, froze benefit increases for six months and gradually raised the age at which retirees can receive full benefits from 65 to 67.

During a 1999 press conference, Sanders went further, praising the 1983 law as a good example of people coming together to enact a solution without draconian changes.

“We should remember that in 1982, Social Security was within a few months — a few months — of not being able to pay out all benefits owed to Americans,” Sanders said at the time. “And then people came together and said of course we want to save Social Security. They worked together, and they did.”
.............................................

Sanders said during his 1996 campaign that the Social Security system had been “adjusted before, and adjustments will have to be made again.” He declined to say at the time what “adjustments” he supported.


https://apnews.com/31c432f20acba807a569c7004abaf473
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
18. This is the first I am hearing about this...thank you for posting...and I sincerely think that
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jan 2020

Warren could take Iowa, and I hope she beats Sanders like a drum...yeah I want my guy to win...but she is my second choice and I don't want Sander's and his campaigns attacks on her to succeed in any way. I say this as a woman...not because I support a different candidate.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. There are many who would like the free press not to look too closely at certain candidates.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jan 2020

And I hope Liz beats him, too.

I would however be quite happy if Klobuchar beat him as well.



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George II

(67,782 posts)
11. The same can be said for Biden, too.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jan 2020
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. Well, Biden is on video bragging about seeking a freeze, and supported the Obama
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

administration's proposal to cut cost of living increases. Right now Biden, to his credit, is firmly against SS cuts. He hasn't always been.

But you and I are never going convince each other of anything. It's the voters, and when it comes to SS, it's clear Bernie has been the most consistently opposed to cuts and in favor of increases. It's obvious. There's no such thing as a "pro-austerity democratic socialist".

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Cha

(297,322 posts)
27. So according to rose twitter standards, Bernie Sanders wants to cut social security
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
15. And it is probably true although, times were desperate...but no one is going to believe Biden wanted
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jan 2020

cut Social Security either...except those who will vote for Sanders no matter what...And the constant lies, half truths, out of context shit and old shit which the Sanders campaign offers almost daily is really going to be bad for Sander's in the end. And his is chance of getting AA vote is pretty much over with the Rogan endorsement. He may also lose Moveon and all major LGBTQ organizations...he better hope that Rogan's dudes (like the proud boys) actually take the trouble to vote for him in the primary. It is pretty much a given they won't vote for him in the General.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. I guess we'll see. He supported Obama's proposed SS cuts, but yeah, maybe some people will just
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

think that was desperate times.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. Bernie praised Reagan's SS cuts and higher taxes on working families.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jan 2020

In case you were afraid to read the OP:

At the time, the primary legislative fixes to Social Security financing had increased taxes and cut benefits. That includes a major 1983 bill signed into law by Reagan that came as the program was on the brink of insolvency. It raised taxes on working families, froze benefit increases for six months and gradually raised the age at which retirees can receive full benefits from 65 to 67.

During a 1999 press conference, Sanders went further, praising the 1983 law as a good example of people coming together to enact a solution without draconian changes.

“We should remember that in 1982, Social Security was within a few months — a few months — of not being able to pay out all benefits owed to Americans,” Sanders said at the time. “And then people came together and said of course we want to save Social Security. They worked together, and they did.”
.............................................

Sanders said during his 1996 campaign that the Social Security system had been “adjusted before, and adjustments will have to be made again.” He declined to say at the time what “adjustments” he supported.


https://apnews.com/31c432f20acba807a569c7004abaf473

But pointing that out is "AN ATTACK BY THE HATERS!"

Talk about desperate times...



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Cha

(297,322 posts)
28. omg... BS.. what were ya thinkin'
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:34 AM
Jan 2020
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primary today, I would vote for:
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. Ironic you're going with the attack line rather than a rational reponse...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jan 2020

As you seem to decry all attacks. But we get it... holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to can be rather convenient.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. When one is highly emotional, and desperate
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jan 2020

one projects.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,322 posts)
31. "So according to rose twitter standards, BS wants to cut social security"
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
33. That would be applying the same standards to both...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jan 2020

but we know how that goes over...

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Cha

(297,322 posts)
36. Too bad they can't handle the truth.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. Like I said, nobody is saying that Bernie actually currently wants to cut social security
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:33 AM
Jan 2020

You keep whacking away at that straw man, and it's threadbare. Give up.

People can ignore his own words all they want, but his record is clear. He did the very thing he accused Biden of - in a misrepresentation.



https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.


https://apnews.com/31c432f20acba807a569c7004abaf473

You keep talking about "grainy videos" - yet another straw man...

You seem rather anxious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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