Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren proposes criminal penalties for spreading voting disinformation online
CNBCDisinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both, Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. Anyone who seeks to challenge and defeat Donald Trump in the 2020 election must be fully prepared to take this on and Ive got a plan to do it.
Warren proposed to combat disinformation by holding big tech companies like Facebook, Twitter and Google responsible for spreading misinformation designed to suppress voters from turning out.
I will push for new laws that impose tough civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating this kind of information, which has the explicit purpose of undermining the basic right to vote, Warren said in a press release.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dchill
(38,503 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)x changes depending on how many voters were suppressed
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I like some kind of criminal penalty.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)to vote on a certain day. Of course that day was one day after the election. It was a felony and could possibly be used as a precedent for this law.
Some felonies make you lose your voting rights. I'm sure the 2 Wichita natives were comfortable not being allowed to vote in the Carolinas.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ms liberty
(8,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)Like, if I post misleading information about voting on Twitter, it looks like she wants to punish Twitter--but I wouldn't face any punishment. Which seems odd. How would the individual responsible not face consequences?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pecosbob
(7,541 posts)any more than shouting fire in a theater. Any court that ruled so would be wrong. There should be federal statutes governing intentionallly providing voting misinformation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
soldierant
(6,890 posts)However, I still see the potential for First Amendment issues, and also for enforcement issues. Neither is any reason to give up on the idea, but both are reminders to be very, very careful in drafting the legislation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pecosbob
(7,541 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
soldierant
(6,890 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)was surprised to find the OP against this idea
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)criminally liable for any "disinformation" that appears on this forum?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)around here?
You can take your false equivalence elsewhere. That dog don't hunt.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)That's quite a statement to parse.
Such terms make possible gigantic layers of interpretation possible--and not only "possible," but necessary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)considered a poll tax--also illegal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)We'll call it White-Collar is the New Black.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)is interpreted by those in the positions of enforcing the law.
Seems very prone to abuse to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,991 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)But thanks for the refresher.
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Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)30 years ago.
But this is nice too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)May all votes be counted.
Get the vote out!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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TryLogic
(1,723 posts)to speak the truth and nothing but the truth when they are sworn in.
Probably cannot stop candidates or surrogates from lying though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)Who is the officially appointed gatekeeper for true information? What are their biases and who chooses those gatekeepers?
With so much information available we should trust people to absorb and disseminate news and information for themselves and be responsible for their own opinions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
madville
(7,412 posts)that decides what is suitable for the public's fragile perceptions and what isn't J/k
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)Not a great idea.
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Rebl2
(13,523 posts)her. Should also be a hefty fine.
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jg10003
(976 posts)Ago being defeated by the repubs.
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Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)to publish the misinformation might be the only thing you can realistically do and it's about time. It's easier than tracking down and proving the guilt of the actual posters who might not even be US citizens.
If I'm not mistaken, similar laws have been created in the EU, for example regarding hate speech.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dansolo
(5,376 posts)Besides being blatantly unconstitutional and unenforcable, it doesn't address the real problem. The real problem is systemic voter disenfranchisement. People are being thrown off the voting roles, being prevented from voting, or having obstacles that make voting difficult. I guarantee that if these things were overcome, we wouldn't have to worry about the squishy middle that is easily swayed by propoganda. What infuriates me is when pundits refer to low voter turnout without ackowledging this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)I don't get that.
But there are also people who spread false voting dates, for example. I think that should be criminally punishable. And, it is easy to know what the true date actually is.
But, to your issue, I think we should totally be able to criminalize disenfranchisement. How about, one year in prison for every lawful voter who is removed from a voting role incorrectly? that might make the GOP more cautious about who they throw off the role.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PandoraAwakened
(905 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneMoreCupOfCoffee
(314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden