I, for one, want to try and avoid sea levels rising to the point where we have to evacuate hundreds of millions of people from shoreline cities.

Because of drought, wars, floods, hurricanes, and crop killing heat.


What's coming is kinda like Road Warrior I think.

There's not much good for humanity that will come out of climate change unless you're someone who just really doesn't like winter.

Or are we simply that lazy?

I mean, not for the first time. The actual “climate” parts are comparable. Joe Bidens plan is quite workable.

The reasoning behind supporting Bernie Sanders plan, which is more expensive and expansive is that the nation can’t afford NOT to implement it as almost an emergency measure.

However, Like all plans, it has to make it through a contentious and divided Congress. So comparing “plans” isn’t particularly useful at this point.

What is being implemented is. My state:
https://www.governor.wa.gov/issues/issues/energy-environment

Also, What WILL be implemented on a national level is, since if we win this election, we are dealing with an entire anti-science electorate that seems to have lost their minds

Bernie Sanders, as an independent has has a record of successfully playing go between between Democrats and Republicans. Not sure how that would work with how the Republicans have been behaving in regards to climate change. Need to hold the house and get more Democrats in the senate

While I am sure there are some scientists who support Sender's plan I would be astonished if any scientist believed we could get to net zero in 9 years.

You can see links to the plans in the OP link

...could work.

Should have added the sarcasm emoji.

Sometimes it's hard to notice tone reading a message board.

They can very well endorse a plan while at the same time doubting that it would work, or that it would get through Congress. Scientists live in hope -- otherwise they'd find another line of work.....

We just have to trust they will hire the best and brightest and allow them the latitude to implement it.

Candidates are not experts on too much outside their personal education and experience . Why would we think they are?

They aren't experts on nuclear either. You hire experts!

Obama did!

but to a any said candidate's priorities.

If a good candidate does their homework their plans or proposed policies will have support of the people with expertise in those fields.

unchecked global warming climate change in today's dollars

What they think the voters want to hear.

Be honest with your support of a plan and your desire to support it.

Sanders is no more a climate expert than Biden or Warren.

You cannot show me their bonafides!

Warren. Finance
Biden. Diplomacy
Sanders. ???

actually trust Bernie Sanders.

Doesn't trump hire "the best" people? See? it is subjective who "the best" or "the best and brightest" are.

and I believe what Joe said was taken out of context.

would back the infamous "ham sandwich's" plan in opposition to Trump's all out attack on the environment. Bernie's "plan" is unrealistic, in my opinion, because of it's time-line for net zero emissions. What good is making promises to people when there's no chance in hell they'll be kept?

Every Democratic Candidate's plan for the environment is far superior to Trump's "screw the environment" policy.

I believe it was the time-line that Biden said scientists did not agree with, that 2030 was an unrealistic goal.

We don't need to be courting climate denialists to win this election. We need to recognize this issue as the single most important for our own future.

As to denialism, what a leap. Joe has a plan the Sierra Club approves of, was talking climate change before any other candidate, and has never, ever denied the need for action. He simply challenged a part of Bernie’s plan as to timeline given to accomplish.

on policy implementation.

Sanders plan does not call for us being completely carbon free by 2030. The target date for that is 2050.

To me that seems reasonable but by pushing up the date he's echoing the argument of climate denialists who say our goals are unrealistic. I don't see these as pie in the sky goals, they can be achieved in the GND timeline and in the Sanders timeline. A long list of scientists agree, contrary to what Biden is saying.

And that Biden's plan targets 2050 for net zero.

The quote at issue was Joe telling us we can't get to zero emissions by 2030.

Sanders plan calls reaching zero emissions by 2050, not 2030. 2030 is the date Sanders is calling for to realize 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation.

Sanders calls for a $ 17 trillion dollar expenditure over 10 years which is beyond fanciful, Biden calls for $ 1.7 trillion.

...thanks Uncle Joe for posting this...

...I have too many children and grandchildren to see them perish...

...we can't do too much or do it too quickly when comes to the climate...

...May God Help Us All...

how many people are willing to overlook or be in denial about this and I don't even have any.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the record: We didn't call his climate change bill a "game-changer" <a href="https://t.co/0XdQeYJB7I">https://t.co/0XdQeYJB7I</a> <a href="https://t.co/b404ETJbs9">https://t.co/b404ETJbs9</a></p>— Daniel Funke (@dpfunke) <a href="

Link to tweet

....says little other than referring to an as yet undetailed "green new deal" as being necessary. Like the Sanders "plan", nothing specific. The entire body of the letter, the rest is signatories:

Joe Biden

Climate Plans:
On June 4, Biden released his $1.7 trillion “Clean Energy Revolution” climate plan on his campaign’s website. Overall, his plan has 5 key goals:

Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050;
Make a historic investment of $400 billion over 10 years in energy and climate research and innovation, as well as clean and resilient infrastructure and communities;
Recommit the United States to the Paris Agreement on climate change and lead an effort to get every major country to ramp up the ambition of their domestic climate targets;
Stand up to the abuse of power by polluters who disproportionately harm communities of color and low-income communities;
Fulfill our obligation to workers and communities who powered our industrial revolution and subsequent decades of economic growth.

whatever a neew president might try to do is already starting from behind where we were in 2016! All the Dem c/andidates will make improvements, and his/her advisors will have suggestions we may not have even thought of yet.

Working WITH the Nazis on the right is a bad approach.

The BS campaign replaced the word "it" in Joe's statement with something Biden never said: [bernies plan]. They tried to make it look legit with an abruptly edited snippet from a 3 minute exchange.

Brackets, of course, indicate that the enclosed material is not actually part of the quotation. Why would the BS campaign insult the intelligence of voters with a made up quote?




C-SPAN has the full video, close-captioned and with a full transcript.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468360-1/joe-biden-campaigns-claremont-hampshire&start=2250

Not a single solitary scientist believes we can get to net zero before 2040. Bernie's plan would get us there by 2030. Therefore Biden is saying no scientist believes Bernie's plan is possible.

that it warrants its own category ... the fallacy of composition.

After all look how much pollution China alone produces.