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eilen

(4,950 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:17 AM Jan 2020

Some vetting needs to happen leading up to and in the next debate. Good and hard.

Washington Post - Bernie Sanders’s Trump-Like Campaign Is A Disaster For Democrats.

"Former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg is the youngest Democratic presidential candidate; Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the oldest (roughly double Buttigieg’s age). Buttigieg consistently demonstrates a mature understanding of how one unites a party and builds a winning general-election coalition. Sanders seems clueless."

"Appearing at a Fox News town hall on Sunday, Buttigieg told the audience that “we can send a message to people who are telling us that we have to choose between our head and our heart, that we have to choose between what it takes to govern and what it takes to win, or that we have to choose between unity and boldness in this country." While he has defended himself against attacks from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and against the argument that he lacks age and maturity, Buttigieg has rarely gone negative on any opponent. That is extraordinary in a primary as close and competitive as this one. He understands at the end of the process, the bare minimum he must do is unite the party before turning to every persuadable voter."

"The polar opposite of this is Sanders and his fleet of Bernie Bros who slash and burn, attack and smear other Democrats. The New York Times reports on Sanders’s swarm of online supporters, who have waged vicious and personal attacks on his critics, often focusing on feminist women. “Some progressive activists who declined to back Mr. Sanders have begun traveling with private security after incurring online harassment. Several well-known feminist writers said they had received death threats,” the Times explains. “A state party chairwoman changed her phone number. A Portland lawyer saw her business rating tumble on an online review site after tussling with Sanders supporters on Twitter.”"

"While he might perfunctorily chide his followers, Sanders hired one of social media’s most aggressive trolls, David Sirota. Sanders cannot possibly mean to control the divisive rhetoric and animosity spewing from his camp while hiring people infamous for such conduct."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Some vetting needs to happen leading up to and in the next debate. Good and hard. (Original Post) eilen Jan 2020 OP
100% this. +1000 -nt Amimnoch Jan 2020 #1
like ive said if he cant control his minions.. how can he possible lead a country.. samnsara Jan 2020 #2
Plausible deniability, denem Jan 2020 #3
Yep. This is what Sanders wants them to behave and operate. NCProgressive Jan 2020 #12
Jennifer Rubin is at it again ritapria Jan 2020 #4
You just proved what Jennifer Rubin wrote!! NCProgressive Jan 2020 #10
Of course you believe that the vetting of Sanders is simply an attack. Sacred Cows are immune. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #15
Drip. Drip. Drip. It's Raining Vetting, Halleluja. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #5
There will be. It's called the Iowa Caucus. brooklynite Jan 2020 #6
Of note Jennifer Rubin is billed as a conservative opionion writer CentralMass Jan 2020 #7
The fact that Jennifer Rubin's person was attacked as someone to be discounted NCProgressive Jan 2020 #9
So she's like the opposite of Intercept? Or commondreams? Or Jacobin? One stop shopping wise. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #11
Jennifer Rubin has been tireless Skidmore Jan 2020 #13
I used to despise Jennifer Rubin. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #14
I love this article!! NCProgressive Jan 2020 #8
K&R highplainsdem Jan 2020 #16
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
1. 100% this. +1000 -nt
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:21 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
2. like ive said if he cant control his minions.. how can he possible lead a country..
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:24 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
3. Plausible deniability,
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:56 AM
Jan 2020

Sanders does control his minions. They are operating exactly as he wants them to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
12. Yep. This is what Sanders wants them to behave and operate.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jan 2020

It gives that warm feeling of a "revolution."

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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
4. Jennifer Rubin is at it again
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:02 AM
Jan 2020

Her hatred of Bernie Sanders is becoming increasingly unhinged …. Rubin's support for endless Middle Eastern wars exemplifies her unsound judgement … As for her prediction that young people were going to discard Bernie Sanders in favor of Beto O'Rourke - a full demonstration of her manifest incompetence as a political analyst ….

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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
10. You just proved what Jennifer Rubin wrote!!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. Of course you believe that the vetting of Sanders is simply an attack. Sacred Cows are immune.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jan 2020

But when applied to all other candidates, it's, well... vetting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
5. Drip. Drip. Drip. It's Raining Vetting, Halleluja.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:35 AM
Jan 2020
"On behalf of Mel Mason and Andrea Gonzalez, I want to thank you for your message to the rally to kick off the Socialists Workers Presidential Campaign."

"In solidarity..."

Is that a file? Looks like a file. This can't be good.




"The Socialist Workers Party (SWP) is known as a communist party in the United States. Originally a group in the Communist Party USA that supported Leon Trotsky against Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, it places a priority on "solidarity work" to aid strikes and is strongly supportive of Cuba. The SWP publishes The Militant, a weekly newspaper that dates back to 1928. It also maintains Pathfinder Press."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers_Party_(United_States)



'Oh, shit...shouldn't have delegated shredding.'


Report: Sanders supported far-left party blaming US for Iranian hostage crisis

<snip>

"Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders had aligned himself with a Trotskyist revolutionary party back in the early 80’s which defended the Iranian revolution of 1979 and accused the CIA of staging the hostage crisis, Daily Beast reported on Friday.

The declaration of the Islamic Republic of Iran took place on April 1, 1979. On November 4, 52 American diplomats and citizens, including citizens of other countries, were taken hostage at the US Embassy in Tehran in what ensued as a major crisis that lasted 444 days.

Most political factions in the US were united in the struggle to release the hostages except for the Socialist Workers Party (SWP). After leaving the tiny left-wing Liberty Union Party of Vermont in 1977, the veteran Vermont senator joined SWP in 1980, became its presidential elector in his home state, and had conducted numerous campaigns for it, Daily Beast reported.

In one instance, the SWP’s presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the US hostages” at the University of Vermont in October 1980, chaired by Sanders."

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1579425844-report-sanders-supported-far-left-party-blaming-us-for-iranian-hostage-crisis




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brooklynite

(94,519 posts)
6. There will be. It's called the Iowa Caucus.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:36 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
7. Of note Jennifer Rubin is billed as a conservative opionion writer
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:49 AM
Jan 2020

I believe that she identifies as a Democrat though I am not positive.

A hit peice on Sanders by Jennifer Rubin should come as no surprise. If you google Jennifer Rubin + Bernie Sanders (see link below) it will come up with pages of links to negative articles about Bernie Sanders that she has written.. It's like one stop shopping for Bernie haters (you are welcome).

https://www.google.com/search?q=jennifer+Rubin+%2B+Bernie+Sanders&oq=jennifer+Rubin+%2B+Bernie+Sanders&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.18794j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Jennifer Rubin clearly doesn't like Bernie Sanders. However millions of us do. In my experience we are not the deragatory and I would say mythical "Bernie Bros".


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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
9. The fact that Jennifer Rubin's person was attacked as someone to be discounted
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:03 AM
Jan 2020

shows how true her words are.

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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
11. So she's like the opposite of Intercept? Or commondreams? Or Jacobin? One stop shopping wise.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:07 AM
Jan 2020

All welcome here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. Jennifer Rubin has been tireless
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jan 2020

in her opposition to Trump. I respect and honor her willingness to take a stand in tough times. She is entitled to her opinions, all of them, whether you agree with her or not. I happen to share her opinion on Sanders. We are not obligated to support Sanders when we disagree with him. I think he's a demagogue and is not able to fulfill the promises he makes because he's not able to work with others when it counts. Attracting people to hear a speech doesn't fall in this category. I caucus next week. He obviously is not my first choice or my second. He's very far down on my viability list. And I expect you to respect that I disagree with you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
14. I used to despise Jennifer Rubin.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jan 2020

These days, I'm still horrified that I agree with her much of the time. For the time being, at least, she's done a turnaround and I welcome that.

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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
8. I love this article!!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jan 2020

It is incredibly accurate and it will become evident as replies to this OP start coming in from Sanders supporters.

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