The more centrist candidate has lost every election for the last twenty years.

The last time the Democratic Party ran a super lefty candidate was George McGovern in 1972.

...was because of rage against Johnson and the Viet Nam war. Voters felt they couldn't trust the Democrats because of that damn war.

Nixon said, at the time, that he had a plan to get us out and that's what got him into office.

If Johnson, who was so great domestically with FDR (Leftist) programs, hadn't mired us in "Nam, we'd have had a virtually unbroken chain of Democrats. And McGovern would have waltzed into office.

....he would have gotten more than just 17 Electoral Votes if he were more "centrist".

.....It was a protest vote against anything and anyone associated with Johnson. I.e They didn't want a Democrat. Period.

extended hostilities into Cambodia. He won in one of the biggest landslides in history.

BTW, the more moderate Humphrey, who was VP under LBJ, narrowly lost to Nixon in 1968, when the bloodshed in Vietnam was at its peak.

I was only talking about how he campaigned.

The invasion into Cambodia, as I understand it, in any event, was secret at the time. New of it came only later to the general public.

The Republicans are brilliant at rat fucking.

endorsements results were dismal

The right wing isn't the only one living in a bubble

Some here seem to ignore the facts, and the 2018 midterms along with your examples are facts that some conveniently ignore

Why mention Bill Clinton? The poster clearly said of the last 20 years. Last time he ran was 24 years ago.

and yes, I think he will win.

I don't know where the anti-Bernie crap is coming from, but just- STOP already.

You have your candidate, I have mine. Lets get out the vote and see who can best bring America back from Oligarchy.

I believe Sen. Sanders can secure a victory in 2020. GOTV is the most important aspect in achieving victory for whomever the Democratic candidate is. If we do that we will win.

Kind of says something i think

If she does withdraw I’ll be moving on to Sanders, Warren, or Yang in no particular order. I know Yang is also a long shot so most likely options for me will then be Sanders or Warren.

Hopefully that saves me a spot before they are all gone InAbLuEsTaTe!

I got you a spot near the front, but I'm ridin' shotgun, sorry... that spot's reserved for ME, Bernie's #1 supporter!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

...also recommend Bernie?

"...it can often be difficult to tell where the private sector ends and the public sector or party apparatus begins. "

...Bernie gets most of his money from us...

...and money trumps politics (no pun intended)

...

...maybe, but we can't know if there isn't transparency...

When are folks like you going to accept that we are a Center/Left Country? Look who will be voting in November. They are Center/Left.

President again, relax when he/she goes overseas so they don't have to worry about which aai will get pissed off at the USA, their kids can actually listen to a President speak without hearing language they don't want their kids hearing. That's obviously the OPPOSITE of DT! I believe they'd like things to go back to normal, not change everything .

... Joe's brand of moderate incrementalism won't cut it, sorry.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

Time to change that.

I've been reading and hearing that this is where the Corporate Media and Corporate Democrats will be throwing the kitchen sink at Bernie to try to keep him from winning. Those people hate Bernie with a purple passion.

rather than a series of unsupported allegations and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc fallacies.

But evidence-based opinions are not in with the faux-revolutionary crowd, so I understand the dramatic absence of objective evidence.

Long read. Some stuff applies to the phenomenon. Most doesn't. Has AOC and a movie trope I missed. Found it last night when I was looking for something else. I'm still trying to figure out this thing where they believe Bernie will do the things he's promised. Despite all evidence to the contrary. Hear it all the time on Twitter. They believe. I liked the title because I've been saying 'magic fairy dust revolution' and it's similar. LOL

"But Manic Pixie Dream Politics is not politics where you think for yourself, it’s politics where you give yourself over to the idea that it’ll all work out in the end if you believe in what doesn’t quite make sense to you."

https://arcdigital.media/the-green-new-deal-and-our-manic-pixie-dream-politics-7e6fa348de65

but articles by David Frum and Jennifer Rubin get high-fives.

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record of accomplishment Bernie can’t match, a place in American hearts Bernie will never occupy, and the AA support Bernie has not earned. Finally, Bernie’s personality is a turn-off to folks outside the bubble. He harangues and Biden speaks in a way audience connect to emotionally. He is proud of his unconventional, anti-social impulses while Biden loves people. Biden exudes empathy, Bernie anger.

Bernie is special however. He is a man in possession of an ideé fixe, the Sanders socialist revolution, which he holds to with ferocity, and he has planted a passion for it in a sizable minority.
His fervor for radical economic change is not going to die and it will take wider hold in wider numbers.

But leader of the free world, no. Not with this smiling guy straight out of West Wing who actually served in the West Wing.

Both Trump and Bernie are really threatened by Biden. But animosity, jealousy, and spite are not good looks. Bernie needs to work on telling us all how he is going to pay for his Revolution and get congress to support it. Distorting Biden’s positions is a waste of time and energy Bernie needs to put elbow grease into cleaning house instead. He also needs to stop dancing solo and learn to schmooze. Say Happy Birthday Bernie. It never hurts.

Still on Team Liz til the bitter end, but the motivations for the centrist hand-wringing is becoming quite clear as Bernie rises in the polls.

They (the Bernie/Liz/AOC, etc... types) believe in giving voters a real choice between right and left. We tried Clinton 2016, it didn't work, I don't see how nominating Biden, who is exactly in that Clinton mold, is a winning strategy.

Sanders isn't my #1 this time around, but I appreciate his challenge to conventional economic policy that has produced extremely high inequality, with no alternative approach in sight. Sanders has revealed the class differences within the Democratic party, but the party should be learning from his example of how to motivate grassroots voters.

It's not a secret why people that are dead-set on cutting Social Security, or people who supported Bush's wars and torture, don't want Bernie to win.

Is afraid Bernie will win. Because his policies won’t get enacted. We won’t have the senate, and even if we did, there won’t be 60 votes.

Even if there were no filibuster (and Bernie is against eliminating it) you still have Manchin and Jones who you would need to convince.

People think he will lose. It’s that simple.

I'm as left as you can get, and would love for Bernie to win and actually be able to move the country in that direction. If we elected our president by popular vote only, even my choice - Liz Warren - would beat Trump. Unfortunately, reality is that a handful of swing states will decide, and there aren't enough Bernie-type voters to be found in those to make up for those who will move to, or stick with, Trump out of fear of socialism.

‘Unfortunately, reality is that a handful of swing states will decide, and there aren't enough Bernie-type voters to be found in those to make up for those who will move to, or stick with, Trump out of fear of socialism.’

But as is, I am not convinced and I am not got to risk it on the hope that he'll somehow find a way to win three states Trump won in 2016 - Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

I can't say you are wrong and won't as I have no ability to make a prediction that is 100%. You have to vote your way in support of your candidate and I respect that.

So, feel free anytime to climb aboard the Bernie Bandwagon... though space has become limited, as BERNIE is surging in the polls. Best of luck though to your candidate... may the best one in the eyes of primary voters win!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

Biden was vetted over a decade ago when he ran as Obama's running mate.

He will win just enough primaries to keep it interesting and then blame the DNC for manipulating the process when he loses. This will gin up all sorts of anger among his loyal followers who in the end will be so pissed off they will either not vote, vote write-in or bite their tongues and vote Dem but wont work for the nominee or donate. Much like 2016.

We cannot afford this again.

In light of some of the not so above board purges and lost provisional ballots and and (fill in the blank) the Sanders campaign has used a good chunk of their massive fundraising haul on lawyers to be watchdogs. There will be much less chance of speculation. On the other hand, if there is any hanky panky, there will be much better documented proof.

So don't worry about that stuff. I'd like to see more positive posts here on other candidates and their policies.
Seems to be so many bits and bytes dedicated to being worried instead of excited.

The Sanders clan seems wound up for a fight to the bitter end which would probably result in all of us losing.

I think anyone who has earned the right to be there at that time should be welcome to participate in the convention.
I'm guessing it will be 4 - Biden, Bloomberg, Sanders and Warren. Or maybe Amy, if she survives the latest attacks on her role in wrongly prosecuting a black man for murder.

If he is mathematically eliminated prior to the convention, he needs to drop out. He did not do that in 2016.

Dragging it out to the convention could create another scenario like 2016 where supporters were so incensed they created chaos at the event and even booed civil rights legend John Lewis. Needless to say that didn’t help Hilary Clinton beat Trump.

he definitely CAN win the nomination.

There's a path.


But it guarantees a general election loss. That's what is the motivation.

because of M4all. I’ve seen what has happened in single payer countries down under. And what makes M4all people think you can outlaw insurance companies or prevent doctors and hospitals from asking for more than what a public option (only) will pay?

Then there are Independents, swing voters, and even Democrats who don’t want to lose what they have. I am one of them.

Other than that I find Bernie to be an angry man who doesn’t work well with others or compromise, but most of all we need to win big to defeat this cheating lying POTUS we have now. The youth vote is Notoriously unreliable, so don’t tell me we will lose their vote.

I remember what happened when McGovern ran and I was once an idealistic Eugene McCarthy supporter. He would have lost too.

Thanks for the thread Devil Child.

You are a consistent source of good info here. Thanks for your threads and input.

I do read some articles from Jacobin. While I might agree with some principles, those who value ideological perfection over compromise do not, in my view, have a realistic view of the world.

This whole "oh we're just so scared of Big Bad St. Bern is not only demonstrably false, it was old four years ago.

Please find a new shtick.

What are guys revolting against? Math?

Wow

Third way represents next to none of U.S. most of U.S. want a wealth tax and health care security. We neither want to live in caves simply because our ancestors did; nor, watch our children or grandchildren buried under student loan debt simply because we were.

In other words, a third way to maintain the status quo is a very unpopular proposition

Yet, who calls themselves a jacobin, as this magazine does? Those folks started a reign of terror which took a king, his family, his friends, his enemies, his children, ordinary citizens, and their erstwhile allies when anyone dared be rational. Jacobins threatened fathers to coerce women to marry them. Maybe the magazine meant the monks, but I doubt it.

Elizabeth Warren is the one most special interests fear the most. She certainly has made certain to take them all on directly.

Third way is, i think, afraid Bernie cannot win. No matter who we nominate it will be a fight.

it's to stop him from causing the same problems as 2016.
He's not going to win.

The real democrats in this race have not started to go negative on him yet but trump has a ton to work with and will bury and destroy such a weak candidate like sanders

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In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

If Trump wins again, America as we know it is done. Although I have criticized Bernie many many times in the past I will suddenly become a "Bernie Bro" if he somehow wins the Dem nomination. We have to save the nation from a Dictator Trump. I do hope Bernie supporters feel the same if Biden wins. Somehow Im not so sure.

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This web site is heavily trafficked by a large, liberal readership, but even here Bernie isn’t the fav. That honor is shared by Elizabeth Warren (#1) and Joe Biden (#2).