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I have never taken sanders seriously because he has no accomplishments to point to. I keep asking for a list of accomplishments and get nothing. I would love to understand how sanders magical voter revolution works but no one will explain this to me

I've gotten faith and believe a couple of times.

His penchant for private air travel should have been a warning.

Get used to it.

Hmmmm...I didn't know that.

Has he received NRA funding?

However, I was specifically referring to campaign cash contributions made by the NRA. Has he received them as a candidate, senate or president?

No direct contributions.

him to be the nom?

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'Sandy Phillips, who lost her 24-year-old daughter, Jessi, in the mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado seven years ago, can’t forgive Sen. Bernie Sanders, now a top-tier candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

Sanders, in the House at the time, supported a 2005 law backed by the National Rifle Association granting gun manufacturers broad legal protections and was one of 59 Democrats to vote for the legislation in the GOP-led House. Sanders and Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio are the only Democratic presidential candidates to have voted for that bill, which Phillips said nearly bankrupted her family.

Phillips says she called Sanders during the 2016 presidential primary campaign when he was competing against Hillary Clinton, asking for an explanation of his vote.

“He was like ‘I’d love to talk to you about this, but I’m really busy,’” Phillips told NBC News, describing him as “extremely dismissive and arrogant.

In early 2016, days before the Iowa caucuses, Sanders, a Vermont independent, announced he would co-sponsor a repeal of the law as he faced criticism over his position. Weeks later, he contradicted himself, saying gun crime victims should not be able to sue — only to reverse course again days later during a debate by saying, “They have the right to sue.'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-gun-votes-are-again-potential-liability-among-democratic-base-n999326

Oh, the consistency...

Doesn't explain. Won't give details. Bullies reporters. Made reporters take questions from him in a staged event.

Why?

Isreali newsite Haaretz finally discovered the name of the kibbutz he stayed at in 1963 - 53 years after he was there. During the 2016 campaign. He kept it secret all that time. Google Bernie's Stalinist Kibbutz. It's all there.

And Politico found out that he had been lying about his son's real mother for decades, again in 2016.

Things got testy -

"I wanted to know more about who he has been. So I asked what I thought was an innocuous question about Sanders’ son. How did Sanders juggle aspirations as an eager political activist with his role as a divorced young father?

“That’s out of bounds,” Franco said.

Out of bounds?

“It’s none of your f—-ing business,” he said. He smiled, but he wasn’t joking.

It’s always been that way with Sanders. The issues. The issues. Stick to the issues. The rich are too rich. Those with power have too much. The middle class is withering. Inequality is a crisis, and the system is rigged. With Sanders, what you see is what you get, insist the people who know him best — and that’s almost all you get."

Senator Bernie Sander (I-VT)

Both of us are democrats and gun owners. If you dial 911 in our area, you'll have to wait too long for help. Plus my husband did serve in the army. We won't give up our rights to self defense. But we're still progressive liberal democrats.

There are three generations of veterans in my family. That does not mean I am against sensible gun control and background checks.

And I certainly do not support Sanders.

Issues and his firebrand personality! Biden completely lost me when he dissed my demographic. That was nothing but pandering! I'm a gamer and I have been gaming since the first games. Looking forward to the ps5. I don't think Biden realized that the kids who started playing Mario and Zelda are all middle-aged and older now.

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“And you may recall, the criticism I got for meeting with the leaders in Silicon Valley, when I was trying to work out an agreement dealing with them protecting intellectual property for artists in the United States of America,” said Biden. “And at one point, one of the little creeps sitting around that table, who was a multi- — close to a billionaire — who told me he was an artist because he was able to come up with games to teach you how to kill people, you“

Yeah, video games. And I was lectured by one of the senior leaders there that by saying if I insisted on what Leahy’d put together and we were, I thought we were going to fully support, that they would blow up the network, figuratively speaking. Have everybody contact. They get out and go out and contact the switchboard, just blow it up.

“And then one of these righteous people said to me that, you know, “We are the economic engine of America. We are the ones.” And fortunately I had done a little homework before I went and I said, you know, I find it fascinating. As I added up the seven outfits, everyone’s there but Microsoft. I said, you have fewer people on your payroll than all the losses that General Motors just faced in the last quarter, of employees. So don’t lecture me about how you’ve created all this employment. know the ——”

https://www.vg247.com/2020/01/19/joe-biden-video-games-little-creeps/

Who the fuck threatens the Vice President of the US? And talks shit about being an artist because douchebaggery. Then calls themselves the economic engine of America. When they're not even close. Unless your demographic is white punks on dope, you were left out of this.

I have always thought that O'Malley should play a larger role in our party. He is a leader.

He's still very busy. and involved. Who knows what could pop up in a Biden administration.

However if he ever runs for President again, he has a big issue he needs to resolve (which was part of his failure to get traction in 2016). He isn't running so I won't go into details, people who know much about him should already be aware. I haven't been paying attention lately to whether he is working on it. But anyway meanwhile he can be a valuable asset to our party in non-candidate or down-ballot roles. I think he has a lot of strengths and I hope he is more involved over the next few years.

His health care plan (capitation budgeting, or "All Payer" as it's sometimes called) is the only thing that's actually been shown to work in the US

which is a fascinating plan with hard data on its results. More info for any DUers interested https://www.vox.com/2015/11/24/9794622/martin-omalley-is-finally-talking-about-his-best-idea-health-care

Look how many people still like Trump!

that says it all.

Jane Sanders went on CNN the next day and compared this interview to an inquisition. Asking a candidate for President to provide lucid answers is an inquisition. He wasn't expecting it I guess...

Link to tweet

They given him a reboot. Emerging shiny and chrome cantering sprightly for the latest horsey race.

Yikes.

I just looked at it again -- stunning.

why all of these Bernie bashing threads are permitted? He is going to be our nominee. His followers are the most enthusiastic of all the candidates.

Sounding the alarm. You'll be thanking Martin O’Malley and others like him some day.

He also wrote a book - 'Smarter Government: How to Govern for Results in the Information Age.' There's no room in smarter government for magic fairy dust revolution.

Bernie is not a Democrat... he has been allowed to run on the ticket, but he is not a Democrat

He is my Senator, he's a fine Senator.. not such a good President

And what is too far left? If people here believe that getting rid of Trump will solve our problems I have a bridge to sell you.
We need institutional change not tweaking the status quo. I know that many fear change but it's our only way to save our democracy.

Bernie will win and he will be our Democratic president.

most here don't fear change... as for me, my ideology fits closer to Bernie's than the others (I have always called myself a Socialist... well, mostly have called myself a Syndicalist- another story ) ...although

if we are not pragmatic and very careful right now, we have the entire Democracy to lose... what is needed is to work tirelessly to turn the Senate Blue, keep the House Blue and make sure the Democratic Candidate wins... it is a very big diverse Country we have and while so many see the benefits of Bernie's ideology... the chance of him winning nationally are not good (Vermont is a world unto itself and not at all representative of the big United States)

most any of our Democratic Candidates, once in office, will work towards the same Democratic goals...

see DNC Platform https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

Republicans will ruthlessly and relentlessly hammer the Socialism 'thing' if is Bernie is the nominee... I have seen the research and the studies and we have way too many brainwashed voters that buy into that negative stuff and they are afraid... we win them over, we don't force them over... trump has done tremendous damage to our Country and distorted lots of realities and created a monster electorate

https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx
https://news.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

Exactly

Now we going to nominate an actual [redacted].

But I cannot support Joe “Bankruptcy Bill” Biden. I will if he gets the nod, but there’s no way in hell I would vote for Biden in a primary. He’s way down on my list.

Bernie is the most quintessential Democrat of the lot.

He has almost nothing to show for his long years in Congress, and he has more baggage than the other current candidates put together. He's unelectable.


Please read this: https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

for almost a decade. He changed more laws to make them less harmful or more helpful than any other senator.

Neither has Biden, Warren, or any of the others
How do you define not a good President since none of them have ever held that office?

Your answer of “This is ‘Democratic Underground’ Bernie is not a Democrat” is really not a valid answer to the question “why all of these Bernie bashing threads are permitted?”

In the “Democratic Underground” terms of service, under “Don’t bash Democratic public figures” it says:

“This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).”

If you had argued that it didn’t constitute bashing, you could have made a point. But to indicate that it was or should be allowed because he is not a Democrat flies in the face of the terms of service.

That Sanders is unelectable is a basic fact. Being enthusiastic about him, or (as I do) respecting his policy ideas, won't change that fact.

I urge people not to vote for him for the basic reason that I want to promote progressive causes. After a string of losses from 1972 through 1988 (1976 excepted) with progressive candidates, the Democratic Party went with someone more centrist in 1992. Clinton did a lot of good, but not as much good had he been a solid progressive. Still, it's better to get some of our policy goals enacted than none of them.

If Sanders becomes the nominee, we won't see a progressive come this close to nomination for at least a generation.

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This thread has people calling Bernie a con man. Is that a Bash? You didn't but you have a hard time with the definition of "fact".

It is not anywhere close to a fact that Bernie is unelectable. In every way imaginable that is an opinion. You are entitled to your opinions but it is inauthentic and wrong to assert that your opinion is "fact". Especially given polls that show he can win. The existence of auch polls is a "fact". You can argue that it is your Opinion that the polls are wrong.

Better yet would be to refrain from bashing/attacking/joining endless daily negative posts about a candidate that FACTUALLY is supported by significant numbers of democratic voters adding unneeded division into a race.

They should be disregarded. Seriously.

These polls are taken before the Trump campaign has started going after the candidate. Sanders is very easily tarred as a communist, a deadbeat dad, a draft dodger (not that Trump isn't one as well), and anti-American. There are videos of Sanders at anti-US rallies in Nicaragua; they're old, but they exist nonetheless.

The polls won't matter until we have a presumptive nominee.

Do you have any doubt or dispute that a sizeable number of Democrats support him. This has nothing to do with whether he will win or lose in the Primaries or to Trump. I do not care of it was 5%. A sizeable number of democrats in this country like and support Bernie Sanders. Do you think calling their supported candidate a Con Man and calling them inherently gullible is productive? Is it unifying or divisive? Do you think it helps us beat Trump? In my post do you see me attacking any other candidate. I am saying stop calling Bernie Sanders names and dissing his supporters. This is bad politics and strategy and he is not even my candidate. I love Bernie and supported him in the last election but am currently supporting Warren but I find it disgusting to see this type of smear on a democratic group.

No one has even voted yet. You're a little ahead of yourself.

These real Democrats will not forgive or forget

noticed that other candidates who have received even worse criticism

If you feel that his record is being unfairly tarnished, then post a comment or start a thread stating so

This is a Democratic primary, and O’Malley’s criticism is looking at Sanders record which is legitimate

post something that someone else says and that absolves the poster from wrongdoing. Got it.

When I have a position I say it, I own it, I don't hide behind someone else's article.

Better get on the Bernie train it is leaving the station. Oh and if Bernie loses I have no doubts whether I will support whoever wins, not like some people do here.

Only gonna win some small states and maybe a couple larger ones, but not enough delegates.

but are you saying that Bernie is finished once the DNC gets involved?

but I have NO idea what the DNC would have up its sleeve down the road either.

not just biased but corrupt (Twitter is full of Bernie supporters claiming this over and over and here in DU as well), why would Bernard run as a Democrat every 4 years?

If the DNC conspired against Bernard in 2016, why would Bernard tempt fate again? If that claim had a shred of truth, then his decision making is absolutely horrendous. First politician to ever set himself up to lose .... TWICE.

You can't have it both ways. Either the DNC is biased against Bernard which makes Bernard a terrible decision maker, or it isn't and Bernard proves it by running as a Dem TWICE.

refused to support the Democratic nominee in the previous general election such as Briahna Joy Gray, David Sirota, Cornell West, etc

O’Malleys Op Ed is what is called vetting

It will be far worse in the GE from the republicans, and our candidate better be able to push back hard

As for your get on the Bernie train, it better be more than his Ny Daily News interview:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306%3foutputType=amp

Because its certainly happened to me & others.

... the days of being able to alert a post with a reasonable expectation his supporters will be the majority of the "jury" and can vote to hid the post are gone.

or are most of the "undecideds" remaining undecided because of Posts like this??
these posts make me scratch my head because this strategy worked so well for us in '16.

It always surprises me.

These types of stories will continue until the election. This was expected. His ideas are gaining too much traction in the political discourse.

I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments of sanders and the fact that I do not understand sanders voter revolution The NYT also did not understand how sanders voter revolution works

Link to tweet

Sometimes there's threats of riot -

Link to tweet

Sanders supporter. This is sad

somebody deleted their tweet.

Burnt out weirdo sobered up? He tweeted something about '68 and then some vague threats. Deleted or removed.


Someone needs to tell this dumb ass that in '68 the Chicago police were the rioters, not the anti-war groups. The protesters marched and waved signs, the cops charged the marchers swinging billy clubs. The anti-war mobilizers had no permit to march. Mayor Daley gave the cops permission to do whatever the fuck they wanted. 'Force to keep the peace.'

'68 Man...' 'No,no,no...you don't want '68.'

Yeah, maybe somebody did tell him.

Trump has enthusiastic followers, too. So did Jim Jones. Sometimes enthusiasm for a leader turns into a personality cult. Bernie's crowd is getting disturbingly close.

Enthusiastic supporters only get to vote once. Just like you, just like me.

I can’t wait until he’s our official nominee and the hypocrites who have flaunted the rules non-stop for the last 4 years finally get a wake up call.

Which is a long way away, considering the first caucuses are today. This forum doesn't ban negative articles about Democratic candidates until at least after the primaries are over, or all the other candidates have conceded.

I had a post hidden for being critical of ideology of people to the right of Biden. And I was responding directly to a topic that asked where we thought Biden is on the political spectrum, lol.

Fact is, a fair amount of people on the primaries forum prefer a more Machiavellian approach to politics.

I've had someone try to tout Biden's enviromental plan, then turn around and angrily tell me that they "don't give a fuck about enviromental policy" when I said that I prefer the Green New Deal.

Honest discussion simply isn't allowed on this forum.

Link to tweet

Perplexing that any reasonable person would bash any candidate knowing that whoever the nominee is, we need that person to win in a landslide in November. So whoever is trashing any Democratic candidate is an ass IMHO.

Sirota, and Nina Turner, did that fit your category?

Exposing a candidate’s record is not bashing, it is part of the primary process

The Nigerian Prince reference was a nice touch. People might snap out of it thinking..'Holy shit'... 'I'm doing Nigerian Prince.' 'Fuck me I'm [redacted].'

Here not so much.

Bernie Sanders is a lot of things, some of which are negative, but this interview is slimeball stuff. Martin O'Malley is a thoroughly decent moderate, but the first paragraph of the article makes the baselessness of his positions on Sanders pretty plain. We were through all that garbage four years ago. Bernie Sanders is on our side, as far as I can tell. He has been very, very consistently so, which MOM acknowledges in the interview.

[I think the only possible counterargument is the Brady bill and, though I don't agree with his position there, it is very much representative of his people in Vermont. Vermont is pretty loose regarding guns.]

Anyhow, when someone left of Biden makes these sorts of arguments about Biden (DINO, fair weather Democrat, look at his voting record on X (the Iraq war, etc)) this site seizes on that as spreading discord and dividing what needs uniting, and I think that is probably mostly good. But when it goes the other direction, the difference in response is pretty telling. Don't fall for it. If the guy is our nominee then I think we all need to be ready to not just vote but to GOTV.

He is. Time to sound the alarm before he drags us down with him. This is no time to play.

can you rephrase?

He can say it. I can't.