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David Plouffe on MSNBC just now: We may be witnessing the last Iowa caucuses (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2020 OP
+1000 lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #1
They should have figured that out with the 2016 election!!! mysteryowl Feb 2020 #2
Why? Cha Feb 2020 #9
The 2016 democratic Iowa Caucus was pretty clean. Blue_true Feb 2020 #14
..... JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #3
They really screwed the pooch... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #4
Republicans did that in 2012 with a similarly large field of candidates. Blue_true Feb 2020 #17
Absolutely. BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #20
Yes, as I told my friend we may be witnessing history tonight. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #5
Everything you said happened for republicans in the Iowa Caucus Blue_true Feb 2020 #21
A view from the north luvtheGWN Feb 2020 #38
Enjoy it while you can. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #40
Hope so! Nt VarryOn Feb 2020 #6
Republicans had a real cluster-fuck in their 2012 Iowa Caucus, Blue_true Feb 2020 #7
I hope he's right. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #8
so I shouldn't bdamomma Feb 2020 #15
No. Caucuses are always a mess. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #18
GOOD. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #10
Mee too. sagesnow Feb 2020 #11
Hallelujah Jesus! democratisphere Feb 2020 #12
That would be brilliant! Cha Feb 2020 #13
Hey Iowa... Cornell Engineer Feb 2020 #16
Like this post tiredtoo Feb 2020 #22
Me too. I don't think caucuses are democratic at all because they PatrickforO Feb 2020 #19
They exclude SO MANY! Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #31
Fine by me. It should be a primary, like every other state. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2020 #23
AMEN! question everything Feb 2020 #24
Please Let It Be So!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Indykatie Feb 2020 #25
I prefer primaries PatSeg Feb 2020 #26
After a long delay, a dizzy system is on its way to the dustbin of history. oasis Feb 2020 #27
good. bye felicia caucus TeamPooka Feb 2020 #28
I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #29
HOORAY! budkin Feb 2020 #30
My first Iowa caucus jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #32
We did this in Washington state a few years ago.... Hulk Feb 2020 #33
What a disaster. James48 Feb 2020 #34
Good. Sheesh. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2020 #35
I'm not even interested in a red states caucus, I mean, especially with the population yaesu Feb 2020 #36
IDP screws the pooch bigly. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #37
They out-complicated themselves. Next. Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #39
I had to turn it off to watch a women's curling replay Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #41
Rumor has it... Cornell Engineer Feb 2020 #45
From your mouth to God's ear and paper ledger, David. calimary Feb 2020 #42
Samantha Bee had a funny Iowa Caucus sketch last week..... BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #43
Lookin' Good, Iowa! Cornell Engineer Feb 2020 #44
We can only hope. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2020 #46
 

mysteryowl

(7,396 posts)
2. They should have figured that out with the 2016 election!!!
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:54 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. The 2016 democratic Iowa Caucus was pretty clean.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

There were only two people running. When the field is large, a caucus is a bad idea. Republicans had a large field in 2012 and the Iowa Caucus for them ended like ours this year appear to be headed toward, a vote that all sides questioned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
3. .....
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:56 PM
Feb 2020

(little laughing emoji guy rolling on the floor)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
4. They really screwed the pooch...
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:56 PM
Feb 2020

No conspiracy here - just incompetence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. Republicans did that in 2012 with a similarly large field of candidates.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:05 AM
Feb 2020

When the field is big, a ranked choice primary is the only sane solution.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
20. Absolutely.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:07 AM
Feb 2020

Caucuses are terrible for oh so many reasons. We gotta get smarter as a party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
5. Yes, as I told my friend we may be witnessing history tonight.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:57 PM
Feb 2020

Only it’s not the history anyone thought they would be witnessing going in tonight. By the way, we’re now assured that the story from whatever happens won’t be the winner, it’ll be the delay in results. So no real benefit to a win whoever it is relative to past years. The results issue tramples that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Everything you said happened for republicans in the Iowa Caucus
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:08 AM
Feb 2020

in 2012. The result was questioned roundly and we learned nothing from that or the lessons of 2016 relative to caucuses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
38. A view from the north
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:26 AM
Feb 2020

We are so accustomed to "instant" results, folks! Frankly, from my point of view, caucuses are a smart, and very fair, way of deciding who your candidate is going to be. Iowa has ranked choices -- if at first your candidate doesn't succeed, then you have the opportunity to put your second choice forward. And it brings together members of your Party so that together, you can talk about who -- and why -- your candidate is to most likely to defeat the traitor in the White House.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
40. Enjoy it while you can.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:32 AM
Feb 2020

The problem with what you’re saying is I personally know a couple who live just outside Des Moines who could not participate tonite because they have no child care availability for their 5 year old. How many others found themselves in a similar dilemma? That’s not democratic. And it sure isn’t my definition of fair. It’s a charming idea that’s time has come and gone, I’m afraid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. Republicans had a real cluster-fuck in their 2012 Iowa Caucus,
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:59 PM
Feb 2020

I think they went to marked ballots for the next one. We should drop caucuses all together and go to ranked choice closed primaries across the board.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
8. I hope he's right.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:59 PM
Feb 2020

Caucuses tend to be a goat rodeo anyhow, and this one always gets way more attention and weight than it deserves because it's first. So everybody thinks the winner has won something more important than it really is - but Iowa gets only 41 pledged delegate votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
15. so I shouldn't
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:03 AM
Feb 2020

think something nefarious is going on??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
18. No. Caucuses are always a mess.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:06 AM
Feb 2020

It sounds like this year they were trying out a new process and nobody knew quite how to do it, so it got to be an even bigger goatfuck than usual.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
11. Mee too.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:00 AM
Feb 2020

I live here and am very tired of the long drawn out caucus process. It really suppresses voter turnout because many people are not willing to take two or three hours out of their evening to vote. Many pm shift workers can't get off to vote. Elderly and disabled cannot easily attend. People without babysitters can't easily attend. It is hard to find locations for all precincts big enough to allow all democratic voters to sit down together at once. And many business people do not want to vote openly out in public for fear of losing business. All in all it is not a good system, imo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
12. Hallelujah Jesus!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:00 AM
Feb 2020

Rigged so-called primaries just might be dead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
13. That would be brilliant!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:01 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cornell Engineer

(80 posts)
16. Hey Iowa...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:04 AM
Feb 2020

if we can't drag you Neanderthals kicking and screaming into the 21st Century maybe we can at least get you guys up to the 20th one.

You see, there's this newfangled gadget they came up with a while back...it's called a "ballot". The way it works is that people can come into certain designated places anytime of the day and fill one out at their leisure. Then they drop it into a big box and after the polls close you guys take them outta the box and count them up. Easy peasy, Japanesey.

It's a real neat concept that usually works really good...well, except for Florida.

For chrissakes, Iowa...even the friggin' Ancient Greeks used colored rocks to cast their votes. We'll all be happy to send you some if all you caucus clowns have there is farm dirt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
19. Me too. I don't think caucuses are democratic at all because they
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:07 AM
Feb 2020

inadvertently exclude the most vulnerable - the working poor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
31. They exclude SO MANY!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:50 AM
Feb 2020

Parents who cannot arrange for childcare
Single parents
Nursing home residents
Those with compromised immune systems
People who are uncomfortable in crowds
The differently abled
Those who are afraid of bullies and peer pressure
People who happen to not feel well that day
People in hospital
Those who work evenings
People with transportation challenges
Anyone who had recent surgery or other challenging procedure
Those who live in truly rural/isolated areas
Anyone physically unable to tolerate the whole 2-4 hour process

There's more to add to the list, I'm sure - but point made.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DinahMoeHum

(21,806 posts)
23. Fine by me. It should be a primary, like every other state. . .
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:11 AM
Feb 2020

. . .with allowances for absentee and early voting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
25. Please Let It Be So!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:16 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,573 posts)
26. I prefer primaries
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:18 AM
Feb 2020

This is a ridiculous way to choose a nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,401 posts)
27. After a long delay, a dizzy system is on its way to the dustbin of history.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:36 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TeamPooka

(24,250 posts)
28. good. bye felicia caucus
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:38 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
32. My first Iowa caucus
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:51 AM
Feb 2020

I get it. The results are slow. The process is clumsy. The preferences and ballots are far from secret.

But I sat in a middle school gym with 571 of my neighbors and talked for two hours with them about issues, candidates and processes. I haven't done that in years, if not decades.

It was a fantastic experience. And it should have been the prelude to a secret-ballot primary tomorrow.

Still, I will treasure my Iowa caucus experience, even if it may be my ... and others' last.

The delays? I'm a journalism teacher, and we tell our students every day that it's better to be right than first. What's wrong with that?

Further, my wife and I caucused for Warren, and it took two hours for us to get the first ballot done. In our precinct, Warren and Sanders were the only viable candidates at 9:05 p.m. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were close to viability, while Biden and Yang were not. Other candidates, including Steyer had scattered votes. The wrangling that ensued was not going to end soon, and I needed a beer, so we left soon after. I don't doubt that our precinct just ended its process minutes ago.

Stay calm. Be patient. We'll get an accurate count and a great candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
33. We did this in Washington state a few years ago....
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:03 AM
Feb 2020

..and I wasn’t one bit impressed. I still don’t know wtf was going on. What’s wrong with “voting”?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

James48

(4,438 posts)
34. What a disaster.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020

I have no idea who did well, or not, overall.

I watched on MSNBC as they talked about one prescient that had 111 people caucus for Bernie, 46 for Warren, and 42 for Pete-

And when it was done, they awarded 2 delegates to Bernie, 2 to Warren, and 2 to a Pete.

Huh? The top person had 3 times as many come out, and each gets exactly the same number of delegates????

My wife said- “Well, maybe that’s delegate redistribution for you. Republicans will have a field day with that!”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
36. I'm not even interested in a red states caucus, I mean, especially with the population
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:10 AM
Feb 2020

of a city out east. Super Tuesday maybe, back to the movie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
39. They out-complicated themselves. Next.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:28 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
41. I had to turn it off to watch a women's curling replay
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:38 AM
Feb 2020

No question I made the correct choice. The process and the score were sensible in curling

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cornell Engineer

(80 posts)
45. Rumor has it...
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:07 AM
Feb 2020

that the same folks who are running this clusterf*ck caucus are gonna be in charge of scoring at this year's Summer Olympics.

Hopefully we'll have the results before the 2022 Winter Games.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calimary

(81,441 posts)
42. From your mouth to God's ear and paper ledger, David.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:02 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
43. Samantha Bee had a funny Iowa Caucus sketch last week.....
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:53 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cornell Engineer

(80 posts)
44. Lookin' Good, Iowa!
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:03 AM
Feb 2020

Can't conduct a proper poll and can't run a practical primary.

Here's a new state motto for you folks...

Iowa: "We Know Corn - Not Computers"

Sure glad you only have 6 electoral votes because apparently you guys can't count to 10.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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