There are way better candidates than Sanders.

I detest the idol-worshiping.

So not decades

Sounds like you won't be voting for the eventual nominee when Sanders loses.

I would say we did make the wrong choice and for the record I was one of them as I voted for Hillary over Bernie.

I went with my head instead of my heart. Well no more playing it safe.

She lost by 72000 votes in three states where Bernie's minions campaigned for Jill Stein saying "make Hillary lose so Bernie can have a second shot"


Note -- I am commenting on the 2016 general election and not the primaries.

we can play the numbers game all we want. Hillary couldn't energize the party or the base. Sound familiar with Biden? except Hillary at least could raise money. Biden is struggling there.

There was a fact I heard over the weekend. Trump got less votes in Wisconsin than Mitt did against Obama. Its not that Trump ran up the numbers. Its that people were not coming out for Hillary.

We need someone that people are excited to vote for.

I do not understand how Biden supporters cant see the red flags all over the place

had we chosen another candidate?

and Hillary likable numbers were almost as bad as Trump. We wouldn't have had to hear about emails. Hillary choose not to attack Trump on the video about grabbing women in the p--s. She didn't want Trump bringing up Bill Clinton's women issues.

You didn't answer the question - why would another candidate that couldn't get the Democratic nomination have done better than one that won by that much? And not worse?

Higher levels of giddy enthusiasm doesn't give a voter more than one vote.

Just ask McGovern.



Or Nader.

Thought so.

Hillary had low turnout. People didn’t like her and moderates wouldn’t vote for her. Her Un-likability was too high.

had another candidate been chosen.

And why she won the nomination by 4 million...

She got more votes in the GE than any candidate not named Obama. Low voter turnout is a disproved talking point:



https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/apr/18/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-voter-turnout-hit-20-year-low/



"Un-likeability"... most admired woman in the world for 20 years...

Overwhelmingly endorsed by her colleagues....

But sure. SHE's unlikeable.

Sounds like her victory is a sore point.

and you were wrong about low voter turnout.

You're welcome for the fact check on that, BTW.

and that is not certain at all.

whichever Democrat you support!



Pro Tip: I'd steer clear of any candidate that has been or is being promoted by Russia or the GOP.

And GOP is increasingly becoming more cozy with Russia, welcoming their interference. Could be "the enemy of my enemy..." kind of thing but...

Kleptocratic Russia - ruled by a handful of people looting their resources - wants democracy to fail. The interest of Russia and US seldom if ever align. Russia wants to break up Western alliances. Russia means us harm. Russia is still interfering with our elections. Russia wants America to fail.

A candidate advocating for the removal of Magnitsky Act or tariffs, or warming relations with Russia is working against the US. The cold war continues.

"rejected"?

and was rejected by the voters.

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WBT.

Edit: And now GBT.

You seem to think that Candidate Sanders can't handle a photo of him being posted on DU?

Sort of like Vermont. With more colleges.

So there's that.

Iowa is also more liberal...and the people who show up at caucuses tend to be the activist...just a bad state to use for winnowing...always was.

attacking its own social and environmental safety nets, and fighting off a fascist coup while being as financially unequal as it ever has. The stress level of our population is off the charts. The time for middle of the road, business as usual leaders is gone.

..and Im just a cpl hrs from Canada.

i'm in NY, eastern Great Lakes region. Often think of Canada as a plan B back up.

... Bernie is still a "Happening" with his supporters, especially college students!

There were countless precincts in Iowa where he was not viable despite record turnout.

Because I heard there were more than countless precincts where Binden wasn't viable. And I heard there wasn't record turnout.

If Biden wasn't viable in more precincts than Sanders will you change whom you are supporting since he would be clearly done?

It is "Democrat for a day" strategy

Biden relies on true blue Democrats for life. Sometimes they are outnumbered.

And keep acting like mobilizing young voters is easy.

And keep dismissing young voters as being important and then acting shocked when they don't do what you want them to do. If we are able to mobilize young voters in November we win easily. Who do you think has more chance to do that?

And, finally, you didn't answer the question. Since you set the standard of not being viable in precincts as important, what does it say about Biden if he is not viable in more precincts than Sanders was? And "packing" isn't an answer since you started the argument about what means a candidate is done or not.

So there's that.

1. Young people don't vote and they aren't going to come out and vote. So we need a candidate that appeals to older voters.
2. Sanders is just targeting young voters and getting them out to vote, so that's stupid.

The Sanders campaign did the hard work of mobilizing young voters. That's a good thing. I don't know why you and others are spinning that as something that isn't good. And the attitude that is shown toward young voters here, if reflected in society in general, is a reason why they don't want to get on board with your candidate if theirs doesn't make it. You have made it clear you don't want them to vote.

who largely had a flexible schedule, and didn't need to get off work and secure childcare.

So there's that.

The rally that counts is at the polls. If they don't show up there, all the singing and chanting and cheering in the world doesn't make up for it. If you have a solution for getting those young voters to the polls, please, please share.

Ask Nader. A campaign with young crowds does not a revolution a movement, or even a nominee necessarily make.

On both counts.

I just saw an Intercept article how Bernie's internal polls show he handily won now it's over everybody suck on it.

Also Tulsi, depending on how much she's bashing the Democratic party.

I was driving my kid around years ago and one of her friends was in the backseat reading aloud from a Tiger Beat article on the Jonas Brothers detailing what they were looking for in a girl friend. I was thinking 'I wonder if the guy who cooked this up is the same one who had to pen similar stuff for David Cassidy way back when.' 'Boy he must hate his job.'


'I wasted my life...on this.'

It is just a slogan - he will not be able to deliver on anything

...if he can't get anything thru the Congress?

That is a point to consider, I suppose.

good interpersonal skills to work with congress, and trusting relationship with a strong House Speaker like Pelosi in order to pass legislation.

Both points to consider.

those terms are commingled by his supporters. It implies Democrats are not for universal healthcare when that is untrue. Sanders is for single payer. Welcome back.

seems to support that.

I can't imagine a President Sanders trying to overcome that bad blood already existing in the Senate.

But I don't know about Sanders.

And nearly 4 million more than her primary challenger.

Enjoy your stay.

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."


Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

are not always the same.

Yes I read it in it's entirety.

Brava for pointing out the facts, ehrnst. Facts matter.

and respect for people - even those who don't share her ideas lockstep.

One of your favorite repostes lately when you have nothing, isn't it?

Fish ain't bitin', Hon, but thanks for kicking the OP!

Warren (sadly). Warren is my second choice. The nominee will be either Biden and I think he will win or Bloomberg. I will throw my support behind Bloomberg if Biden isn't beating Sanders as Sanders will never win a general and is likely to lose the house. I never expect Biden to do that well in the first two states which I consider meaningless anyway...too white few delegates. Sanders was always pretty strong in Nevada and they have a stinking caucus too...although maybe early voting will help. Carolina will be important and super Tuesday. I want to beat Trump...not going to lose 35 states and the house without trying to get either Biden or Bloomberg...still think Biden will win.

Trump is very CONCERNED about Bernie’s political welfare.

I honestly hope I am wrong. But I think it would an historic mistake.

An unmitigated disaster.

Booker, Harris, Bennet... those are among the younger, more vibrant, and mentally astute candidates we've had in a long time. I would like to have seen more of them, but the money game canceled them out. There isn't much left with those characteristics. Buttigieg is good and getting better. I'm into my senior years, and I don't think that, physically and developmentally, people in their mid and late 70s can keep up with the demands of the job, especially toward the end of their first term, with Warren being a possible exception. That's just too old for 16 hour work days, ageism be damned.

Although Bennett is still a candidate, as is Duval Patrick, who never got any traction. Klobucher and Warren are the only ones in my top tier left with any hope of getting significant votes left.

Our current marathon way of picking a candidate is broken. It's great for consultants, ad agencies, and media outlets who are raking in the big bugs, but it discourages candidates who don't have big money behind them.

Whoever gets the nod from the voters, THAT’s the candidate to get behind. Which is why fomenting internal strife is so incredibly counterproductive.
Pick your candidate, fine. But don’t do damage to fellow candidates if things don’t trend your way. (Not singling anyone out, this applies to ALL.)

Sorry to be preachy, but it really comes down to WHOEVER winds up on the Democratic ticket in 2020. That’s where the real fight is, and the stakes couldn’t be higher.

If you think the country is centrist what does electing a centrist to go against fascists get us? That's pretty much half giving up before we start. Might as well just hope to work with the other side to make the other side happier and that we only get screwed a little worse. I don't think that was ever much incentive to get out the vote.

I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments of sanders and the fact that I do not understand sanders voter revolution The NYT also did not understand how sanders voter revolution works

Link to tweet

By October, Bernie will be the second coming of Mao Tse Tung or Fidel Castro in the minds of independent voters in Florida and the Upper Midwest.

I fear what they'll do to smear any of our candidates, but Bernie may be the most vulnerable to their dirty tricks.

Love Bernie, but caucused for Liz.

But they will, and it may actually work. At the very least, it neutralizes the Russia issue and gives us one less weapon to use against them.

Of course, they'll do it with any candidate. We can't select candidates based on who will be attacked less by the GOP.

Is Wapo trying to compete with NYT for having sabotaging opinion pieces?

There is no one more unpresidential than that pos sitting in the white house.

I would prefer Warren. In fact I think we're all fing doomed without her. But I won't feel too badly if we end up with Bernie instead. Attacking him, bringing him down in any way is just building up trump.

The same goes for all the candidates.

Criticize their policies or their statements or what they say they plan to do. But picking on someone cause they're slouching? wtf? And he's got a cold? ughhhh

Leave the poor guy alone.