Democratic Primaries

TomCADem

(17,390 posts) Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:16 PM Feb 2020

Bernie Sanders wins Trump backing as fresh feud with Democratic establishment erupts

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-bernie-sanders-dnc-iowa-20200203-dufagmhwmraexby5yetkwe3nla-story.html

Bernie Sanders is feuding again with the Democratic National Committee — and he won some support from an unlikely place as Iowa prepared for its first-in-the-nation caucus.

President Trump backed Monday morning complaints of a plot aimed at blocking Sanders from winning the Democratic presidential nomination from right-wing Fox News host Steve Doocy.

"The DNC on Bernie Sanders, “Looks like they’re going to do it to him again, doesn’t it?”

Sanders supporters are up in arms about a string of reports that the Democratic establishment is panicking over his rise in the polls — and are looking into options to cut him down to size.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders wins Trump backing as fresh feud with Democratic establishment erupts (Original Post) TomCADem Feb 2020 OP

Good luck again. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #1

Sanders supporters have weaponized Facebook to spread angry memes about his Democratic rivals TomCADem Feb 2020 #3

trump is an idiot that has no idea about Dem politics in general, but they do seem to be worried... JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #2

Supporting his complaints about the party doesn't seem like "worry" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #4

It worked the last time MustLoveBeagles Feb 2020 #5

It's a strategy of Trump sowing discord Legends303 Feb 2020 #12

According to Trump's talk with Lev Parnas OliverQ Feb 2020 #14

I don't think Trump is all that worried about Bernie. wnylib Feb 2020 #6

Socialism labels don't work on voters under 35. OliverQ Feb 2020 #15

But what about voters over 35? And the bulk of wnylib Feb 2020 #16

Now that's a misleading headline peequod Feb 2020 #7

He has already won dumps backing...we already know this. They have an operation to fuck with UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #10

I'm with Bernie. James48 Feb 2020 #8

And So Are Republicans and Trump... TomCADem Feb 2020 #11

Not from an unlikely place. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #9

DNC Chair Tom Perez has asked for a recanvass of Iowa Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #13

trump wants to run against a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #17

rzemanfl

(29,570 posts)

1. Good luck again. n/t

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:18 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

3. Sanders supporters have weaponized Facebook to spread angry memes about his Democratic rivals

Reply to rzemanfl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:22 PM

Feb 2020

True. I don't have a bunch of tools to mass post a series of anti-Democratic memes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/01/24/facebook-is-inflaming-divides-tearing-democratic-party/

A Democrat in Michigan scrolled through a surge of nasty Facebook memes about Sen. Elizabeth Warren last week before fixing on one that captured his growing dislike of the candidate. It depicted her smiling face as a mask. Behind it was Hillary Clinton.

Matt Walters, 64, a retired factory worker and supporter of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), shared the image onward to eight Facebook groups and tens of thousands of potential eyeballs with a few taps on his smartphone — using a popular new mass-posting technique that allows ordinary Americans to operate with rapid-fire speed reminiscent of Russian bots and trolls in 2016.

In that small way, Walters contributed to a massive wave of hostile memes about Sanders’s Democratic rivals that both reflects the rising divisiveness in the party’s nominating contest and, in the view of social media experts, exacerbates it.

“I’d call it a force multiplier,” Walters, a onetime union activist, said of Facebook.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)

2. trump is an idiot that has no idea about Dem politics in general, but they do seem to be worried...

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:21 PM

Feb 2020

...about Bernie!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)

4. Supporting his complaints about the party doesn't seem like "worry"

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:26 PM

Feb 2020

It seems like trying to promote him.

What Trump says shouldn't influence anyone on the left, but let's not pretend that this is "worried about Bernie". It's pretty clear that Trump would prefer to run against him. The secondary goal is to jack up Sanders supporters with the "rigged" nonsense and create division.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

MustLoveBeagles

(11,636 posts)

5. It worked the last time

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:30 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

Legends303

(481 posts)

12. It's a strategy of Trump sowing discord

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:22 AM

Feb 2020

To have enough of them vote 3rd party to help him win re-election. These kind of Sanders supporters are useful idiots for Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)

14. According to Trump's talk with Lev Parnas

Reply to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:16 AM

Feb 2020

that was released, Trump does not want to run against Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

wnylib

(21,617 posts)

6. I don't think Trump is all that worried about Bernie.

Reply to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:30 PM

Feb 2020

Trump is ready with fear-mongering rhetoric about socialism and communism.

Would be an interesting first for Americsn presidential campaigns, though. Socialist vs. fascist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)

15. Socialism labels don't work on voters under 35.

Reply to wnylib (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:17 AM

Feb 2020

And Obama was called a Socialist for 8 years. Bernie already said he supports the Nordic model which is actually regulated Capitalism with a strong social safety net and it's the best economic system in the world.

I think Biden's issues with Ukraine and Hunter are going hurt him more than Socialism lies will hurt Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

wnylib

(21,617 posts)

16. But what about voters over 35? And the bulk of

Reply to OliverQ (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 04:27 AM

Feb 2020

people between 35 and 65?

Most people today don't know the difference between regulated capitalism and communism. In the Bush II years, people were buying the neocon spin that fascism was left wing. Obama opposition sold him as a socialist, fascist communist, and simultaneously both atheist and Muslim. An amazing number of people believed it. I know because I debated with them online and in person.

I am not afraid of well regulated capitalism. I understand what it is. Although born after WW2, I lived under the legacy of FDR's regulations in my early work years. I worked for a subsidiary of a utility company then. Part of my job involved knowing and upholding the regulations. Those were prosperous years for the nation.

I personally have no fear of Sanders, Warren, or AOC. But many people do, e.g. those who never experienced the regulated economy that I did. They grew up in the Reagan and Bush years when trickle down economics was taught in the schools. They believe that we defeated the Soviet Union with it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

peequod

(189 posts)

7. Now that's a misleading headline

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:34 PM

Feb 2020

How is it even remotely "winning Trump's backing" if Trump says “looks like they’re going to do it to him again, doesn’t it?” re the DNC? He's just trying to create dissension. As a Sanders supporter, I don't want Trump's false pity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)

10. He has already won dumps backing...we already know this. They have an operation to fuck with

Reply to peequod (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

Feb 2020

the open primaries and vote for Bernie. Why are they doing this? You don't need any kind of critical thinking to figure it out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

James48

(4,441 posts)

8. I'm with Bernie.

Reply to TomCADem (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:34 PM

Feb 2020

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He is going to be a great President.

Just out- Bernie camp press release, identifying at least 14 errors in counting that should have resulted in Bernie winning.

Recanvass is necessary.

Link to statement with data:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12966306

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)

11. And So Are Republicans and Trump...

Reply to James48 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:56 PM

Feb 2020

...they are totally backing him in the Democratic primaries as well. Is it because they think that his anti-immigration and anti-NATO views align with Trump?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden