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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:04 AM Feb 2020

It doesn't matter who wins the democratic primary. It simply doesn't.

2008 was a referendum on GWB. GWB's best friend John McCain was the republican candidate, they campaigned heavily together and there were jokes in the media how a victory for McCain would effectively mean a 3rd term for GWB.

In the end, the theme of the 2008 election was "anybody-but-Bush".




2016 was a referendum on Hillary Clinton. She was attacked as the corrupt establishment from left-wingers like the Bernie Bros while Trump crushed the republican primary with his anti-DC message. (Which was misunderstood to be an anti-establishment message. When Trump said "drain the swamp" he NEVER meant getting rid of corruption, even though some voters misunderstood it that way. He ALWAYS meant getting rid of government regulations.)

In the end, the theme of the 2016 election was "anybody-but-Clinton".




And here we are in 2020. Trump has taken over the republican party. No Republican can gain profile without associating himself with Trump. There is no moderation left within the GOP. There is nothing left but Trump. Any race with a Republican automatically becomes all about Trump.

It doesn't matter which 2020 candidate has the better plan to solve America's problems. Trump has finished the GOP's long treck of transforming itself into a party no longer restrained by things like modesty, respect, tradition, facts, patriotism. The Republican Party is no longer interested in governing. It's all about hype and outrage and revenge and personality-cult.

In the end, the theme of the 2020 election will be "anybody-but-Trump".

The GOP no longer campaigns on policies. They don't care about that anymore.



That's why the theme of 2020 will be "Trump vs Not-Trump".

And that's why it ultimately doesn't matter which Democrat will be on the ballot.

It simply doesn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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It doesn't matter who wins the democratic primary. It simply doesn't. (Original Post) DetlefK Feb 2020 OP
tell me that if tulsi is the nominee. n/t 5X Feb 2020 #1
Tulsi is Trump. ;-) DetlefK Feb 2020 #2
I simply cannot agree with your idea. wnylib Feb 2020 #3
Totally agree DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #4
Yes empedocles Feb 2020 #5
Its a referendum until it becomes a choice... brooklynite Feb 2020 #6
Bush's poll numbers 2004 were mediocre at best Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #8
Speaking for myself only - I will vote blue no matter who. FM123 Feb 2020 #9
Agreed. I think that Daffy Duck could beat Donald Trump in 2020. Laelth Feb 2020 #10
It is true that anyone with a D next to their name will beat Trump in the blue states. dalton99a Feb 2020 #11
 

5X

(3,972 posts)
1. tell me that if tulsi is the nominee. n/t
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:23 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. Tulsi is Trump. ;-)
Reply to 5X (Reply #1)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:29 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wnylib

(21,621 posts)
3. I simply cannot agree with your idea.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:35 AM
Feb 2020

If our candidate does not appeal to the general public, it will be harder to have a down ticket effect and it is essential that we keep the House and certainly preferable that we take the Senate, too.

Also, if our candidate's platform and policies do not arouse enthusiasm, or worse, turn off some Dem suppirters, they might stay home instead of voting.

It matters very much that our choice is someone who can people out to vote and to support down ticket candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
4. Totally agree
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 06:46 AM
Feb 2020

Cannot take anything for granted.

We all detest this fool, but a lot of folks don't. If our candidate is not appealing to a broad range of voters, we will lose.

Fight like hell and let's unite.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
6. Its a referendum until it becomes a choice...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:26 AM
Feb 2020

Sanders would make it a choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jose Garcia

(2,605 posts)
7. Bush's poll numbers 2004 were mediocre at best
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:33 AM
Feb 2020

But the GOP successfully made the election about Kerry. It worked.

Imagine what they will do with a candidate with a communist past.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to DetlefK (Original post)

 

FM123

(10,054 posts)
9. Speaking for myself only - I will vote blue no matter who.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:21 AM
Feb 2020

Even if it is someone who does not excite/inspire/agree with me I will proceed with the end in mind and that is to remove trump. No matter which Democrat will be on that ballot I will not stay home and sit on my hands.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
10. Agreed. I think that Daffy Duck could beat Donald Trump in 2020.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

Daffy knows what the American people know, and I think the American people will send this message to Donald Trump on November 3, 2020:



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,599 posts)
11. It is true that anyone with a D next to their name will beat Trump in the blue states.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:57 AM
Feb 2020

Not so in the battleground states where turnout is critical.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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