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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:41 AM Apr 2019

What to make of Joe Biden?





Let’s get back to some legal basics: Sexual harassment in the workplace is either unwelcome sexual conduct — or if from someone in a position of power, conditioning work benefits on sexual conduct. If your co-worker slugs you on the arm every day as some weird good-morning ritual, you’ve got reason for complaint but it doesn’t make it sexual conduct. What is “sexual” conduct? To paraphrase the Supreme Court on pornography (which if shown to an unwelcoming co-worker would be harassment!): We’ll know it when we see it. Better put, if reasonable people in that situation would consider the conduct to be sexual, it probably is.

And yes, this brings us to former vice president Joe Biden. Any adult who’s paid attention to politics over the last few decades knows that Biden does not honor personal space, to put it mildly. He hugs, he pats, he rubs backs. He is a nondiscriminatory toucher — men, women, blacks, whites, children, seniors. This is understandable conduct with close friends and relatives, but Biden, for better or worse, treats everyone like a member of the family.

This is not an excuse. His touching is often inappropriate and can be unnerving. He should cut it out and apologize to those who felt uncomfortable. However, this is not #MeToo sexual harassment or assault. In the crazed atmosphere of immediate takes and absolute judgments, it’s difficult for some to make distinctions, but that is what grown-ups are supposed to do. Biden’s habitual embraces can be inappropriate without being sexual harassment; his conduct can be a demerit without being disqualifying. No, you’re not a hypocrite if you think Roy Moore should have been long ago banished from public life and Biden shouldn’t; these two situations are not the same.


That still leaves Democratic primary voters with a decision, should Biden decide to run for president. Is he is the best person to lead their party, the best positioned to beat President Trump and then best equipped to govern in the post-Trump era? Others have observed that Biden’s obsessive touching dates him, underscoring the generational divide between him and most of his potential opponents (and maybe two generations apart from South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg).

Does the country want a choice in 2020 between two Social Security recipients, as it had in 2016? This is not only a question for the 76-year-old Biden, but for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is a year older than Biden. Talk to Buttigieg, and he’ll say it’s time to turn the page on the 70-year-olds and the 50-year-olds — generations that, truth be told, have done a rotten job running things recently. The response is that there are 70-year-olds and then there are 70-year-olds. Trump’s problem isn’t that he is over 70; it’s that he is mentally, temperamentally and morally unfit in almost every imaginable way for the office he holds.

Democrats will have to decide in the big scheme of things whether Biden’s touching is a deal-breaker. For me, it comes down to a different consideration: Is there someone better positioned to beat Trump? I’m waiting to see.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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What to make of Joe Biden? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 OP
What to make of Joe Biden? President LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #1
Amen. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #2
He's a really good Vice President. nt LexVegas Apr 2019 #3
President. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #4
Women who have worked for and know Joe Biden are speaking up to share their experiences Gothmog Apr 2019 #5
For this thread Gothmog Apr 2019 #6
+1 nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #8
Biden will make a phenomenal president n/t BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #7
Great guy, strong legacy, shouldn't be president. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #9
I like this statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #10
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
1. What to make of Joe Biden? President
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:47 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LexVegas

(6,067 posts)
3. He's a really good Vice President. nt
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:49 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
5. Women who have worked for and know Joe Biden are speaking up to share their experiences
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 04:11 PM
Apr 2019

For this thread https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000169-de7b-dc59-a16d-feff47c00000

"Even then [1986], Joe Biden stood out for his attitude and conduct toward women: He
was devoted to his wife, Jill, and he consistently selected women for senior staff roles,
treated them with respect, and gave them opportunities to blaze new trails. He never
once crossed the line in dealing with me as a young woman on his team… Joe Biden is
a man of fundamental decency and warmth, and when he makes physical contact -- as
he often does to express a personal connection -- it reflects the genuine humanity that
is one of his greatest strengths.”
Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, former Deputy Secretary of Energy, NSC Official,
and Biden Senate staff member (4/1/19, Press Statement)

“I have often been asked what it was like to work for the US Senate (a famously all-male
environment) in the early to mid 1990s. I can happily answer that the experience was
wonderful BECAUSE I was lucky enough to work for Joe Biden, who had promoted
several women, including me, to leadership roles on the staff of Senate Judiciary
Committee, and who treated us with respect and insisted that others do the same.”
Cynthia Hogan, Former Counsel to Vice President Biden (3/31/19, Press
Statement)

“I am proud to call Joe Biden a friend. He has been a leader and a champion on fighting
violence against women for many years, and I have been fortunate to accompany him
to events with survivors where he has listened to their stories, empathized with them,
and comforted them. That's who Joe Biden is - a warm, generous individual who
believes its on all of us to pay attention to women's stories and experiences. Biden
started Its On Us because he believes to meaningfully change our culture, everyone -
including those often left out of the conversation like college athletes and fraternity
brothers - needed to be part of the movement. Joe Biden’s response that he never
meant to make anyone uncomfortable and that he'll listen and learn from anyone who
says otherwise is exactly the leadership we need to build a culture where women are
heard and are equal.”
Alyssa Milano (4/1/19, Tweet)

"The Joe Biden that I have known for 25 years is a warm and friendly human being. He
didn't mean it as anything other than that. And I guess, there has never been a problem
before. He's a warm, tactile person. He reaches out and touches, and it's like this and
that [she touches a staffer's wrist] It's hardly sexy. So, that's not his intention, and it's a
new thing that people have been affronted by it. I mean, over 25 years I've never seen
that before."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (4/1/19, Interview)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
6. For this thread
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:55 PM
Apr 2019
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000169-de7b-dc59-a16d-feff47c00000

“I worked for Joe Biden in 2008. He NEVER made me feel uncomfortable. In fact, Ihave a deep admiration for his empathy and compassion. Having said that, I believe Lucy Flores. More important, I respect her. Seems Biden does also and is willing to learn from her.”
Patti Solis Doyle, Former Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden, Obama Former
America (4/1/19, Tweet)

“I will start with - women should have the right and respect to voice their concerns and uneasiness in any situation. But I want to add my voice to those who have spent time with Joe Biden over many years. My chapter is much smaller than a lot of great women who have stood by his side but he has ALWAYS been polite, caring and deferential to me. He called my mother once, shocking me and her, and thanked her for raising a strong, smart and capable woman. We all express emotion in our own ways and Joe Biden’s has always been with respect and gratitude”
Amanda Alpert Loveday, Former Executive Director, South Carolina Democratic
Party (3/31/19, Tweet)

“My friend Stephanie Carter has something to say about that picture with Joe Biden. She's not just "that woman" or the "defense secretary's wife." An accomplished businesswoman who had an interesting day at his oath, you should read her words Directly.”
Juliette Kayyem, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security for
Intergovernmental Affairs (3/31/19, Tweet)

“Stop using this photo. Stop putting words into the mouth of another woman. Stop pushing narratives upon others. My friend Stephanie Carter spoke out because SHE is the woman with Joe Biden in this widely-circulated photo.”
Erin Schrode (3/31/19, Tweet)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
7. Biden will make a phenomenal president n/t
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:29 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
9. Great guy, strong legacy, shouldn't be president.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:33 PM
Apr 2019

And I said this a month ago, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
10. I like this statement by Joe Biden
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 04:14 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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