So tired of Dems stabbing each other in the back, this must STOP!!!

I agree with you 100%!

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be surprised to hear this. Talk to them... and to Warren and Klobuchar, two women who believe Flores.


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He briefly kissed her on top of her head at time when she was really nervous and showing it - your title is just fantasy and meanly wrong. Damn, did you read that on Drudge or just make it up yourself?

I am a Democratic progressive woman and would never ever say that and don't appreciate your lie or trying to make this sexual when there was absolutely nothing sexual about it - even the Bernie surrogate said that and said she was saying this for political reasons only-

take it up with them!!


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That is not at all what is being reported, I've read CNN, MSNBC, WaPo and NYT and never once saw it reported that it was "a slow kiss to the back of the neck". All have said it was a brief kiss to the top of her head at a time when she was really nervous and showing it - far, far different than the slander you are so set on proving.


Provide a link from a non-rw source if this has any shred of reality

It was NOT a brief kiss to the top of her head... you're making that up. Google it and you'll see many news reports of what Flores actually said... it's fine of you don't believe her. Feel free to take it up with Watren, Castro, Klobuchar et al... they believe her! So do I!


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Glad you finally looked it up and saw that it was the top of her head and not the neck. That would be far different now wouldn't it?

Have a great day.

but, since the neck attaches to the back of the head, I don't see that as determinative... the point is that Flores described it as a BIG, SLOW kiss to the back area of her head while, at the same time, Joe was sniffing her hair. It was NOT a BRIEF kiss to the TOP of her head, as YOU misreported. Certainly, you can appreciate the difference... if you can't, I'm mystified, that's all I can say. Can you at least be big enough to admit YOUR mistake??


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Easier too.

to the back of the head, as Flores has described, is NOT a normal peck-type greeting.


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And why are you calling her a "Bernie surrogate"? She said she has endorsed no one yet, and she'd left the board of Our Revolution by May 2018.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?”

I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.

lies. This sort of crap will destroy me too.

Even that Bernie put her up to it... I know, hard to believe (/sarcasm).


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...it became the "top" of the head.

Odd change of the facts from a Sanders surrogate and former (present?) member of the Board of Our Revolution, don't you think?

And she left the Board of Our Revolution about a year ago.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330

Velasquez’s departure follows the resignation of Lucy Flores, a former Nevada assemblywoman and fellow founding board member, who quit in April over her own anger at Our Revolution for, in her view, ignoring issues important to Latinos.

.....that he wasn't working for Sanders.

I just don't know what to believe anymore.

she has had plenty of time to convince herself it was more than it was.

Stop beating up on each other and leave VP Biden alone. I'm also disappointed in Warren and Booker's statements.

believing women when they come forward, like Flores bravely did. Now, it's time for Joe to come forward, IN PERSON, not through intermediaries, and address the charges. He's entitled to a fair hearing... I would like to hear his side of the story and be able to see and evaluate his demeanor. To my knowledge, Joe hasn't denied that the incident actually took place, so why are people so quick not to believe her and assume she's lying?? I don't get it.


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your list.

they dont know what to do, the PC of all this makes it hard for them, I will try and not blame them BUT at the same time it is NOW OR NEVER folks, rump and putin and fascists ACTUALLY for REAL want ALL OF US DEAD

The number will probably grow in the coming days... are they ALL wrong?! I don't think so... they too should be ADMIRED for standing with Lucy, not CONDEMNED!!


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In to the race he will be the front runner. Pretty simple math to me

A bit cynical, dontcha think?!


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on all ACTUAL democrats

when in the FUCK are people going to WAKE THE FUCK UP!

amazing

It angers me to the point I want to scream yet we can never name the candidate on DU without an attack.

If anyone wants to know what is going to happen, I can tell you.

One of two scenarios

1. You know who keeps POUNDING AND POUNDING on any and all D's who are getting traction so we end up with the traitor again as a result of THAT

or

2. somehow we overcome the nonstop vicious attacks on all DEMOCRATIC candidates and one of ours wins and rump refuses to leave the WH...or if he leaves he calls out his army of morons to start a war, either way, this country will turn to shit probably and

ALL BECAUSE SOME FOLKS "just couldnt trust her"



I HATE anyone who EVER said that

I was proud to support her. I thought she was an incredible candidate that we didn't deserve. I was attacked every time I said anything about her.

It's happening again and I am worried. I'm not sure who I support: Biden, Harris, Klobucher and Budigieg are all definitely on my radar and I have hopes that someone will take a serious look at Castro as a running mate. There are two candidates that I refuse to support unless forced to in the GE-and I think we know who they are.

Link to tweet

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Convince me these people are "creeped" out by Joe Biden.

As are others—including young girls—at this link: https://gawker.com/joe-biden-we-need-to-talk-about-the-way-you-touch-wome-1686648038

As the author of the piece says, try an experiment: look at the photos and imagine, Paul Ryan's face instead of Biden's. Or Dick Cheney's.

And the fact the women are smiling doesn't mean they're enjoying the touching, the closeness of a man who is not a loved one. That's what women do, smile, because it is a public moment and we are taught not to embarrass anyone or make a scene. We wait for the moment to pass.

who believe Lucy. #MeToo!!


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snip//

Coons, D-Del., spoke to the Washington Post on Saturday about a photo of his daughter at his 2015 Senate swearing-in ceremony. In the photo, she appeared uncomfortable as Biden whispered in her ear, but Coons told the Post that his children view Biden as a grandfather figure and that Biden was praising his daughter’s composure when the photo was taken.

“She did not think of it as anything,” Coons told the newspaper. “All three of my kids have known Joe their
whole lives.”

https://www.967thecoyote.com/2019/04/01/joe-bidens-staff-pushes-back-against-false-interpretation-of-photos/

Kahuna.. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=49343

You're right, I don't know. I'm making a judgment based on body language.

Young girls don't yet know how to feign being pleased when they're being touched by a strange man.

He is not a strange man to Coon’s daughter. she has known him her whole life. Any teen would look like that. I would have if my dad had done that.

Old men should learn when to hang back & respect a teen girl's space.

claiming that it showed Bernie lacked the judgment to be President. I'm NOT saying that about Joe, but, come on, again, how is he not aware of how some people will react to his overly affectionate behavior?! Is that not a fair question?!


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Coons, D-Del., spoke to the Washington Post on Saturday about a photo of his daughter at his 2015 Senate swearing-in ceremony. In the photo, she appeared uncomfortable as Biden whispered in her ear, but Coons told the Post that his children view Biden as a grandfather figure and that Biden was praising his daughter’s composure when the photo was taken.

“She did not think of it as anything,” Coons told the newspaper. “All three of my kids have known Joe their
whole lives.”

https://www.967thecoyote.com/2019/04/01/joe-bidens-staff-pushes-back-against-false-interpretation-of-photos/

Kahuna.. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=49343

at that age.

Do you understand that a photo is just a flicker in time? Stop assuming.

https://www.967thecoyote.com/2019/04/01/joe-bidens-staff-pushes-back-against-false-interpretation-of-photos/

<<Coons, D-Del., spoke to the Washington Post on Saturday about a photo of his daughter at his 2015 Senate swearing-in ceremony. In the photo, she appeared uncomfortable as Biden whispered in her ear, but Coons told the Post that his children view Biden as a grandfather figure and that Biden was praising his daughter’s composure when the photo was taken.

“She did not think of it as anything,” Coons told the newspaper. “All three of my kids have known Joe their whole lives.”>>

see that from Senator Coons. I think you may have meant to post it to him.

ETA.. I just posted it to him on one of his posts.. but he might need to see it twice.

Sen. Chris Coons addressed a 2015 photo this weekend that captured a moment between his daughter and Joe Biden that critics have used as evidence of the former vice president's alleged inappropriate behavior.

In 2015, when Coons was being sworn in as a U.S. senator, a photo captured Biden leaning into Coons' teenage daughter, whispering in her ear and then kissing her on the head. To many, Coons' daughter seemed to be uncomfortable in the moment.

But Coons told The Washington Post this weekend that his daughter "did not think of it as anything."

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2019/04/01/coons-addresses-photo-biden-daughter-during-2015-swearing/3333267002/

Have known Biden their whole lives. He is a grandpa figure for them.

Again, father speaking for the kids, in public show of support for his friend and colleague.

There are creepy grandpas as well as creepy uncles and creepy friends of the family. I thought that was well understood by now.

Though now we are thinking are own grandpa is creepy? Not me. How many people would this really apply to? And why assume the worst?

I was accidentally inflicted with part of a Sean Hannity broadcast yesterday, he was calling Biden "Creepy Joe", and insinuating that he is a pedophile.

Looks like you are in real good company there Demit, I am sure Sean appreciates all your help and support!

That not only he, but Biden also have known her entire life?

Now what?

It's a show of support for a colleague and friend. I wouldn't say it proves anything about what his daughter thought or felt.

You don't. Move on folks nothing to see here.

This behavior of Biden's has been noted and commented on before, well into the past. He does far more touching and kissing of women and girls than is usual for a politician.

Look at those photos upthread. Look at the ones at this link: https://gawker.com/joe-biden-we-need-to-talk-about-the-way-you-touch-wome-1686648038

What would be your reaction if that were a woman politician doing all the coming up from behind and kissing men? Or kissing male constituents on the mouth? Or kissing a male usher on the mouth at a baseball game?

Not that you're ever likely to see a woman do such things. A woman can think herself the most affectionate person in the world, but she knows instinctively that such behavior would probably be interpreted sexually. Why shouldn't men likewise restrain themselves?

that' this personal observation. And where do you have the cajones to accuse him of ignoring his daughter in favor of a colleague and friend?

Is it really THAT hard?! People might have been willing to cut Joe some slack in that case... I know I would have, based on everything I've known about him so far. But, his simply denying intent just seems to fall short of taking full responsibility. Am I wrong to think this??


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and said she wasn't bothered and that she looks upon Joe like a grandfather.

Like when a favorite uncle is joking around with you.

Coons, who has previously addressed the photo, told The Washington Post on Saturday that, in that moment, Biden was praising his daughter and telling her he could connect her with his daughter Ashley so they could talk about the challenges of having a parent in politics.
The senator added that his children view Biden to be a grandfather figure. The former vice president has been supportive of Coons' political career, campaigning for him in each of his races.
Coons' wife, Annie, is a close friend of Hallie Biden, the widow of Beau Biden.
“All three of my kids have known Joe their whole lives," Coons told The Post.
Stephanie Carter, the wife of former secretary of defense Ash Carter, published a post on the online site Medium Sunday, defending Biden and pushing back against critiques of his inappropriate behavior.

Gee then if they "look uncomfortable" maybe that isn't true either!

For heaven's sake!

Joe always makes Hillary laugh. There are dozens of pictures where he is obviously telling her something she finds to be funny.

Maybe he is a loved on in a fashion? Some of these people know him well.

And there are plenty more videos of swearing in ceremonies at the link, where he stands behind little girls for the photo shoot. He repeatedly plays with their hair, fondles their faces. It's a thing with him, and it's creepy to watch one right after the other.

There's a clip of him giving Hillary Clinton a big bear hug and just not letting go. You can see her pat him on the arm twice as if to say Okay, Joe, that's enough. Sure she's laughing when she does it. Politicians always laugh and smile at one another when the cameras are rolling, that's what they do.

Link to tweet

Not all women are totally uncomfortable in these situations. Even smiling or laughing is not enough?

That Biden makes Hillary laugh a lot.

If a woman was "uncomfortable" because a man sniffed her hair years ago. .......Get over it!

These women are not to be sympathized with like real trauma victims.

Shave your head.

Don’t know how we do that anymore without smelling some part of someone’s body.

So much for the era of #MeToo!!


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of her head. It's important, in situations like this, to keep the facts straight, as I'm sure you can appreciate.


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Here's hoping all this attention makes men stop thinking they can put their hands on women whenever they want. And then say they didn't mean anything by it, as if that makes it okay.

Here's hoping women stop tolerating it because men say they didn't mean anything by it. It's not what they MEAN that matters. It's the fact they don't think. Here's hoping men wake the fuck up, in your parlance.