Has me supporting Biden even more now.

Is absolutely damaging to the metoo movement. Claiming this is a disqualifier for Biden is absolutely harmful to the metoo movement.

How this has become a targeted attack on a damn good man is damaging to the metoo movement.

We cannot currently have an honest discussion about the patriarchal tendencies in society, or with Biden, because of Flores.

But she sure did look awfully happy in that pic.

Our Vice President’s space!

Off to the pokey for you!

Is she gone yet?

We need to be able to make a clear distinction between sexual predation and social cluelessness. I don't care to be touched or hugged by people I don't know, but I can tell the difference between sexual touching, which is always offensive, and excessive familiarity, which is merely annoying. Biden and Franken might be accused of social cluelessness but they are not sexual predators and don't deserve to be placed in or even near the same category as Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby (and Donald Trump).

Very well said. I have been trying to find a succint way to express this, and you said it perfectly. Thank you!

"But ultimately, this is not about him" I call foul... right here, right now!

There is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed as discussed in the essay, but right now, especially here in this forum, that is not the issue and what we are talking about here (in the Democratic Primaries Forum) IS all about Joe Biden... this article belongs in General Discussion, not here...

there probably isn't a greater advocate of women and their concerns than me (I've been a victim, as have my daughters... I used to shelter abused women in my home and I have fought for them and counseled them)… women need to be heard and changes need to be made,... I believe Lucy Flores has a right to her feelings in the appropriate avenue, but right here, right now, it is about something else

People have seen through what is happening and whether it is intentional or not, the damage being done to "ME TOO", to Democratic politics, and to a good man. That man may have some lessons to learn on our changing times but is undeserving of this slime campaign.

with a goal that it will somehow hurt Biden.

In reality, it is hurting Sanders because it is focusing a spotlight on his campaign as the originator of dirty tricks. Many people who had a positive view of Sanders are rethinking. This comes on the heels of hiring David Sirota and Brihana Gray.

People are not stupid. They can smell a rat very easily and it reflects poorly on Sanders.

If Sanders were wise, he would stop what his campaign is doing and get to releasing his tax returns.

ZERO

were they this eager to get Al Franken kicked out of the Senate?

yardwork

And, those gleefully agreeing.. "100%!"

I havnt seen any berners in any forum group or meet up blasting Biden.

And it's about damn time we had us a discussion thread on this subject ...

Don't you know sarcasm when you see it? Esp. when it's coming from me?

We've only had like a freakin' 1000 hand-wringing threads on this

Mea culpa.

with an agenda.

https://medium.com/s/jessica-valenti/not-a-man-2020-7688677ee06e

A hug is nowhere near a rape. Your trying to put them on an even scale as appalling.

Thanks for the thread melman.

after this hit piece on Joe Biden. I find this crap repulsive. I have men family and friends and I will not participate in this general slander of men as a group.

Count me in. The true movement should speak out against such silliness.

which is all I need to know about your candidate and your "movement".

Frankly it's gross the way people are shitting on women's agency. I'm sorry this thread didn't get better discussion and was just more of the same.

I can only see all of this through the lens if a man. But I fear that the changes to the standard by which we treat victims, happening right now, are irreversible. Hope im wrong.

That being said, I am donating to, promoting, and voting for whoever we put on the ballot, even if I think it was a sub-optimal choice

All these years of representing ourselves as feminists and ardent defenders of women's rights, and as soon as it's one of our own involved the mask drops from so many people.

standing up for Al Franken, too?

And I’d challenge you to provide any proof to the contrary.

On Biden who by the way wrote the violence against women act. She has used me to for political attacks. What did she do about sexual harrassment that she knew about while it happened during the Sanders campaign...nothing. she disgusts me and is a threat against me to..

fails... not saying you. The only danger to me too and women is Flores who uses it to discredit political opponents. It is a vicious ugly business this.

all was up in Gillibrand's face for "not investigating" but are trying to take down Joe Biden?

Joe, go ahead and run, secure the nomination, and become the next president of the United States. It's yours if you want it. I'm behind you 110%!!

sexual harrassment of a violent nature during Sanders campaign ,...has admitted it and said and did nothing. Now she makes ridiculous charges against Biden. As a survivor of sexual assault, I can tell you, there are no picturesof me with my arms around my assailant minutes after it happened. Of course I was unconscious. She is a liar and is politically motivated. She has politicized and weaopnized me to and in the end will destroy it.

to Bernie?

will become clear as time goes by.

as Eager to get Al Franken kicked out of the Senate?

Were they impressed with Senator Gillibrand's "railroading" with "no investigations"?

I'm so sorry what happened to you, Dems

been married 30 years and told my husband about it for the first time two days ago. He was wonderful. He knew something had happened but I never discussed it in any detail.

for you!

Do we really need to “open that door wider” to include them, because we can?

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