(does anyone really know what Iowa did? << sung to the tune of the Chicago song of similar name)

Biden will do better in other states. Warren - I support her but she seems to be losing traction? Not sure why and it bothers me.

But ultimately having a credible candidate and getting people to the polls in November and voting D is what matters.

Having disarray in the nomination process does not help with voter turnout in the fall; it makes people more suspect of the process and more likely to think the value of their vote is not worth overcoming whatever obstacles they face in casting it.

And its going to continue on. I don't know what the solution is. No one is going to stand down, but look at the NH polls tonight. Klobuchar is moving up and taking from Pete, so now Pete, Warren. Klobuchar and Biden will come in 2 -5 and Bernie will just march on.
It's exactly how Trump got the Republican nomination last team. He split the moderate Rs (Kasich, Rubio, Christie etc)

I will vote for a apple against Trump, but I'm getting scared.

Bernie will have a terribly difficult time expanding the map. He absolutely won't win AZ, NC, GA or FL.

a message in that lack of support all of us need to listen to. How damned progressive is it to get behind a candidate AA voters aren’t for?

connection, nationally. I could be wrong but it has briefly crossed my mind.

PB because they identify with and understand his “AA problem.” Poor young man,you were just trying to enforce the law...never mind. Your efforts here are appreciated. We aren’t
homophobic.

What about Hispanic voters? I’ve been reading 2020 will mark the first time that Hispanic voters will be the largest minority voting block. Bernie did really well in Iowa but which candidate is polling best overall?

of people say they'd be happy to support him if he becomes the nominee....so let's make it happen people!!!!

Bernie is a good enough guy and a great advocate and he should be proud of what he accomplished.
But let's get real here. His major fatal flaw in my opinion is calling himself a Socialist.
Bernie is ahead of his time...the time for the revolution is not now....but I see it happening in 30 or so years.
If we don't win in November we may set back the real revolution ....so let's vote with our heads people!!

WE MUST DEFEAT DUMP.

That helps Bernie.

I also believe that Steyer will be dropping out soon and like Bloomberg will pledge his money to help the Democratic Party win back the Presidency, more seats in House and the Senate.

I like Steyer and was backing him, but not happy at his focus seeming to target Biden's support.

That said, I can guaran-effing-tee that STEYER will enthusiastically and productively support the Democratic nominee - whoever it is. Unlike at least one or two other candidates.

(can't remember his name, a professor named Johnson) and he said African American voters first and foremost want the candidate who will beat Trump. That is their highest priority and it is one of the main reasons so many of them support Joe Biden.

and let's hope sanity prevails.

...Bernie is the nominee and you're worried people won't show up if Bernie isn't the nominee. Well, that does present a conundrum.

...inherently better or worse than deciding to appeal more to the moderates.

I wrote about this in my post in the thread at https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287486770

The OP had quoted from an article that said:

And in my agreement, I expanded on it this way:

We really don't know which group gets us more votes. Biden and Sanders (as our two extremes) would both get the vote of virtually every true Dem (certainly when the alternative is Trump). But beyond that, what gets us more votes... appealing to the moderate middle and "reasonable" Republicans? or appealing to the more extreme left partisans and the anti-establishment outsiders who want to shake things up? In 2016, we attempted to appeal to the moderate middle, while Trump went for the highly partisan and anti-establishment group. We lost that one. Something to think about.

As I've also said elsewhere, I think come November, it is highly likely that any Dem candidate gets all the states Hillary did... yes, even Sanders, who I think is actually positioned pretty well. Some voters in those states may like Hillary more than Bernie, others may like Bernie more than Hillary, but either way, enough of them don't like Trump that they even chose a candidate in 2016 who was underwater in favorables (that is, to get as close as she did, she actually had to get many votes from people who didn't particularly like her in those states). So I think all those "anti Trump" states likewise go to Bernie. If anything, the demographics favor Bernie more this time, because 4 years later, we have a new influx of voters who were too young to be eligible to vote last time, and the youth vote heavily favors Sanders.

So to me, the big variable as to whether or not Bernie can beat Trump is whether he can sufficiently out-perform Hillary to be able to beat Trump in at least three of these states: Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. I think he has enough working class appeal to win that chunk of what Hillary couldn't in at least three of those states. I think most if not all of our other candidates do as well. So I am optimistic.

Because anyone will be way, way better than Trump. Support whoever you want in the primaries, but understand that you aren’t the only one making this decision. Frankly, I feel similarly concerned about whether Biden can win in November, but I will not be damaging any of our likely nominees to the point where if they do end up in the General half the GOP’s job will have been done for them. if Bernie gets the nod, centrists will have to do what they’ve been screaming at those on the left to do for decades... suck it up, vote (and get your family and friends to vote) Dem. Support this nominee as if the fate of our nation and world depends on it. It’s not an exaggeration this time to say that’s the case.

I will 100% vote for our nominee. Bernie can't make the case for vote blue no matter who very easily given who his campaign staff are.

I don't think we should count on people who aren't political junkies to realize just how desperate the situation is. They WILL be aware of who has been indifferent or arguably hostile to their concerns in the past.

Whoever your preferred Primary candidate is, by all means make the case. But once we have one? It’s them on Trump, and if you honestly believe *any* of our nominees are worse than 4 more years of Trump... you’re probably on the wrong site. Hillary was not my choice in the primaries last time, but I was very, very happy to support her against Trump. I wasn’t thrilled Bernie decided to run again (he is actually not my preferred candidate this time) however... people can’t have it both ways. You can’t spend four years screaming “vote blue no matter who” and the add the *unless it’s Bernie. He’s an asshole. He may not be perfect... but we have a fucking fascist in the White House and babies in cages. Keep things in perspective.

There are a lot of people - voters we need desperately in places like PA and MI - who have significant barriers to voting. They will be motivated to overcome those barriers and vote, in greater numbers, by enthusiasm for the Dem candidate and a belief that person will be better for them and not "more of the same" or indifferent to their issues.

I believe there are a lot of voters who will never develop that enthusiasm for Sanders. Warren isn't there yet but I believe she has the potential and will recognize the need to do it. She doesn't have the negative past history of Sanders. Biden clearly has the largest "identity" groups won over. Mayor Pete ... appeals to a different important subset but frankly that probably doesn't outweigh his likely non-performance with the larger subset. Amy, I don't know about yet. Bloomberg is a cipher to me in this regard. He may have the $$$$$$ (like 50 times more than Steyer) to overcome almost any perception issues, even stop-and-frisk. But I'm wary of counting on that.

The primaries have just begun. It's always a battle.

Those of us who live in between the coastal liberal bastions know that Sanders will not win the presidency. Hopefully, those same places and states and Democrats will keep Sanders at bay and elect a viable candidate.

Remember, his support is not as strong as it was in 2016 and HC kicked his ass. We just need to show up and vote.

One thing for sure is Bernie will not win. If Biden goes down Mike Bloomberg is getting set up to clean up. In my mind, unless Joe pulls it out, Mike is our best bet. He has a plan in place and he knows what he doing. He knows all of trump's weaknesses and trump can't outspend him. I'm still liking Joe and Mike is an excellent plan B.

It's more like observation. I refuse to make any judgements about the results of a process when the process is just getting underway.
I refuse to let events I cannot control affect my personal life and personal emotions. If I start to feel these events affecting my personal feelings, I'll take a media break and simply turn off the computer for a few days or as long as it takes.
I cannot control what happens in the political process other than my own vote. What I can control is the way I let the process affect my feelings and emotions.

I am talking genuine, this guy is ok we trust him-support, not what some white progressives push—“ “well THEY-will-have-to go along-if THEY want Trump-out” support.

....to take on trump*. I really like Pete a LOT..hes smart and very likeable but i need him to ripen a but politically. Hes young and hes only going to get better. I like Liz too but when i try to envision her standing toe to toe with Putin..i dont see it. I dont see it with Sanders either. Next to Putin he will appear older and more frail and you just cant wag your finger at someone and tell them to behave.

However I can see Amy going toe to toe with Putin!

Cant we just vote for Adam Schiff now and get it all over with?

Better buckle up.

Negative campaigning suppresses voter turn out. I see a lot of negativity already.

a candidate with chants of "wall street Pete" will have a hard time getting people to plug their nose for them.

....even those who disrupt other candidates will have to make that very hard decision.

This is where we become Americans and not Amerikans.

I'm in Traverse City MI, I talk to a lot of people who call themselves democrats that say they're OK with Trump if it's Trump vs Bernie. It scares the shit out of me. Bush was reelected after the Iraq debacle.

Rather dire to call for courage.

1. We need to come up with a way to get disillusioned Democrats and independents to trust the Democratic party again.
2. Convince Never Trumpers to vote blue or stay home on election day
3. Reach out to independents who have never voted before and convinced them to vote blue
4. Possibly move to a purple state and vote blue there
5. vote

If we do most of that we can win no problem

and not be split four or five ways. Unfortunately it’s hard to say who that should be. I think probably Biden or Warren. Whoever it is, we need to narrow it down to one or two to keep Bernie from claiming momentum. He cannot win this fall and should not be our nominee.

Bernie folks are going by the 538 narrative when the economist and RCP tell an entirely different story

I'm a 3rd generation NYC liberal. My entire family, including in law's, are all liberal. We believe Bloomberg will be the candidate and we couldn't be more thrilled.

Please don't get distracted with the Cherry picked things he did that weren't fabulous. Even Obama didn't believe in gay marriage early in his presidency, people can change and evolve.

This guy is putting his money where his mouth is, please do some research and stay hopeful.

And Bloomberg bashers, read this last paragraph carefully:

The thing I like best about Mike is he is opening huge numbers of field offices and will turn them over to the eventual nominee EVEN IF IT ISN'T HIM because he wants a Democrat to win. He hasn't and will not trash any of the Democrats. And he is going to pay the workers in the field offices, and give them health Care, himself. Nobody else in the field is being this cooperative, nobody.

to trump* At least we may be able to salvage some of our basic rights.

Sanders is not a strong candidate

Last year i showed my wife an interview with Stacey Abrams. She agreed that she could easily be president. She didn't show up though. Hopefully she will team up for the vice presidency. She could carry one of the candidates over the line.

Years of Bernie supporters being ridiculed for not putting party before personal feelings - even though more of his supporters voted for Hillary than her supporters voted for Obama...

And now this

If he's our nominee and Dems sit out, it will create a division that will not be healed. I can promise you that.

Nothing I say to them changes their minds, either. They despise the man so much that they consider letting Trump win the lesser evil.

Jane Sanders said "How we voted not as important as that we vote. Head & heart at odds for many."

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/michigan/

Just because you don't know anyone supporting him, doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of support.

I didn't know anyone supporting him or Mayor Pete in the IA caucus but they won our precinct.

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