while saying Bernie is the right man at the right time?

favorite of the two. I’d work hard for either of them with enthusiasm.

I'm picking Amy only because when I examined their records, Amy was more effective.

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There's not a thing in the world wrong with Bernie.

SO DISGUSTED CHA...I HAVE TO SIGN OFF.

Picture, which is what Everyone on Deck Needs, to beat the 45Impeached Treasonous assface.

I know quite a few moderate Democrats that are worried about too big a jump with our burgeoning national debt.

[Take real big, deep sweep to reverse trump. BS very unlikely].

"45Impeache Treasonous assface"
Best I've heard so far today!
Aloha, Cha!

And the Dems retained the House?
He'd have NOBODY to work with
that might send him over the edge

Unless he starts it before November, of course.

a uniter and will benefit down ticket Dems.

I also worry about his age

But he could remedy that with a good VP pick...I always saw him and Kamala as a good ticket, but I dont know how they get along. lol...Bernie's not easy to get along with, he is kinda gruff

winner no matter who wins. She is brilliant and can think on her feet. More charismatic than (unfortunately) our leading candidates 😬

I would love to see see a Bernie Sanders/ Ro Khanna ticket TBH but I could see Abrams as very strong too.

to EVER run for President!! She'd be AWESOME and bring even more progressivism to the ticket that we will need to defeat the Fascist-in-Chief!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

But we'll see

will add a lot to the ticket and, thus, contribute greatly to defeating tRumpy The Clown!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

That ticket won two elections by a mile.

They were considered moderates in the 90s.
Running to the far left is NOT going to beat trump; especially if the economy stays where it is now. "Bird in the hand" syndrome.

Even if Warren were to accept, I don't think she would add much to a Sanders-led ticket.

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I hope if he does happen to get the nomination that his supporters......advisors.....someone......ANYONE....can talk him out of picking Gabbard. I've always said I'll vote blue no matter who, but I wouldn't consider that ticket to be blue.

I do not think he wins the nomination and I do not think he would be insane and pick Gabbard even if he did, but I honestly do not know the answer to my question.

I think Gabbard could actually bring over a lot of Trump voters.

I'm not saying that Gabbard is the best VP choice on general principles, but one of her strengths would be good potential appeal to a certain chunk of voters who are otherwise more likely to go to Trump.

Copying from another post of mine:

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I wrote about this in my post in the thread at https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287486770

The OP had quoted from an article that said:

Just like his campaign hires and all the other people he chooses to surround himself with. Think Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner. No way will it be anyone competent like Kamala Harris.

Its risk / reward.

Bernie is a definitely a riskier bet, but the potential for reward is greater, e.g. the momentum / enthusiasm of his supporters could carry us thru like Turd in 2016.

Biden is a safe bet, bu the potential for low returns is greater, e.g. we lose excitement / momentum.

We need to take the best choice given the circumstances then go all in.

Bernie support in 2020 half what is was in 2016.
Caucus turnout also a dud.

nt

can excite a huge range of Democratic voters.

Is that Bernie can without a doubt generate strong negative emotions in people.

That might turn off a LOT of people.

Its a double edged sword.

Do we (as a party) go for vanilla (Biden / Amy) etc or do we go for Mint Choc Chip (Bernie / Warren).

Warren is not even close to Bernie in terms of inciting negative feelings

Can generate strong emotions for many, e.g. MFA, college tuition etc.

I'm less focussed on Warren / Saunders as individuals and more on their policies.

Both generate strong positive and negative momentum (depending on who you speak to).

Both could either carry us all the way to the Whitehouse or cause us BIG problems.

precisely because he has a bold progressive agenda that the working class and poor folks have been demanding for years without having their needs met!!

NOTHING is more powerful than than the power of IDEAS whose time has come!! It's Bernie's time... he cannot be stopped. The more people try, the more We The People have his back!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

Warren

If you look at supporters, young people came out in large numbers. They split for Bernie and Pete but they came out for change. Both are outside the Democratic Establishment although definitely different political approaches and it was a very impressive result for Pete. However, the demographics of the Vote change the picture of turn out in Iowa. I suspect without actual numbers (note its just an opinion) that if one examined the statistics of first time caucus attendees it would be very skewed as well to show that younger first time voters were way up.

http://www.mtv.com/news/3155194/iowa-caucus-2020-young-voters/

The overall turn out was at 2016 levels because the older voters and people not arguing for the type of change represented by two outsiders did not come out or came out in reduced numbers. Maybe that is because they are not enamored with the more moderate candidates who claim them as their base. Maybe its something else. I am not arguing here against any specific candidate and wont in this Primary Season.

The question of turn out is important overall in beating trump. Will high numbers including these excited young come out for the end democratic candidate. Will the others who are part of the demographic who did not show in the caucus to make it a record turn out end up voting regardless of candidate. I would assume so because older people have the time and usually vote. However, regardless, it is a good sign that younger voters are coming out in high numbers and the fact they are voting for democratic non-establishment candidates is a good indication that the claims that progressives and non-establishment candidates increase the turn out has some evidence in its favor. Regardless, larger numbers of young voters are good for whoever ends up as our candidate be it Amy, Bernie, Elizabeth, Joe, or Pete (alphabetical order) or one of the outlying candidates like Andrew, Steyer or Bloomberg.

You have seemed reasonable in the past, take faith from the fact that the turn out was not uniformly low although not favoring your preferred candidates at this moment.

if it were true we would have had very progressive Presidents years ago. Get out of your bubble and talk to some people who don’t agree with you.

good advice... seems the Bernie supporters are all about "me" and not "we"... pretty much what trump supporters are... mind you, I'm not comparing them in terms of ideology... just in terms of not being able to see the bigger picture

time has come, says it all. That’s how Trump won. He pretended to be a populist but was a complete lie. Bernie is the real deal!

We have to really concentrate for the Senate and House - which is nearly impossible as people are so fixated on the Presidency.

I will really have a problem if Sanders becomes our Party's nominee.

Just sayin'

Sorry Justice Ginsburg.

After Iowa, a fourth or fifth place finish might demonstrate that Joe isn't so electable either. Joe might do better in the South Carolina primary, but remember that South Carolina with a 60% African American Democratic electorate is not representative of the general election electorate in our country.

I mean, yes, we could say that we get the worst possible nominee, the one the Rs would pick for us, and he wins anyway. But that would mean things were equal with the media, etc. Also they united behind Dotard (and many in fact are risking the long term reputations) but Democrats are not like that. There were Rs who couldn't bring themselves to vote for the Dotard. With Ds, that could be a larger segment. (Not DUers, but the regular don't-pay-attention-until-October of Election year Ds.

and much easier to rile that kind up by appealing to core racist fear/hatred than it is to appeal to someone's desire for expanded government programs.

we will once again have completely misunderstood the vast discontent in the populace with the way things are. If our candidates are not proposing sweeping center-left reforms, then the candidate who is proposing sweeping far right 'reforms' will win again.

are center left... and any one of them will get done the same as Bernie should he win (which I'm pretty sure he wouldn't)…

Bernie was Burlington's Mayor and still pretty popular here in Vermont (I like him as my Senator and I want him to stay my Senator) …So...…., we can't even get done what he proposes here in Vermont...

there is not a chance in hell he will win and the idea that he may become our nominee scares the holy bejeebus out of me

Why is it that the Democrats always have to play safe, choose the "acceptable" candidate to appeal to Republicans. They never vote for Democrats - repeat never. When Democrats win it's because they move the infrequent voter to get out and vote. Joe holds no to zero appeal to young voters. And Bernie does. Maybe if the eventual Democratic candidate doesn't pull a Tim "Mr. Milquetoast" Kaine onto the ticket, but a truly progressive running mate, should a "centrist" get the nomination, then there will be enthusiasm for the ticket. I think, despite all the naysayers, that a Bernie lead ticket could win. Most people in the upper midwest get the Con by now - especially a lot of farmers, and although hard to admit they were wrong, the grievance of government that ignores the dwindling rural condition still exists. Plenty of communities continue to see their rural hospitals close, job opps quickly vanishing, and whole towns being slowly removed from the map. They also see climate change in ever increasing flooding, drought, and other measurable environmental impacts. And they know that they are hanging on by a thread. So why don't more Democratic candidates come up with plans to address all the disparities, and the constant attacks on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. that come from the right, and now Pete's call to address the deficit. Yes, indeed, Wall Street Pete - because when it's Republican's in power concern for deficits goes away with the invisible hand of the market, but let a Democrat take office and the only concern of the Republithugs are deficits, deficits, deficits! Enough already. Sure Pete, step up son, address the deficits created in the past three years - rescind the Trump tax cuts, and go and claw back the ill gotten gains from the Corps and Uber rich. And while you're at it propose a minimum corporate tax of 10 to 15% such that Amazon, Google, GE, and others never have a zero tax situation in any year. Then maybe we can "focus on family issues" as the GOP so likes to proclaim, but put some policy and dollars behind it - so that infrastructure is rebuilt, schools are upgraded, and communities are rebuilt.

What studies? Most people let the pundits lead them around. Or an October surprise is enough for the dont'-care-until-October voters.

That is why I will not vote for Sanders in the NY primary.

Sid

And make no doubt about it and that is that right now Russia is working full time
to make Bernie the nominee.

BTW You know about people by the company they jeep. Look @ Bernie's Peeps:

David Sirota and Nina Truner.

2020. That being said any nominee has my vote...it is all the other votes that worry me. Trump must go.

If Bernie gets the nom, he will get blasted by Trump.
If Bloomberg gets the nom, he has a chance to beat Trump, but Bernie's bros/sis won't vote for him.

The only others I see who have a chance to beat Trump as top of ticket candidates are Joe B. and Amy K.
But the primary season is putting a misleading tailwind behind candidates who will fail in the GE.
Winning the electoral college takes tactics and strategy, not a "revolution".

Wish there was an option for candidate of choice: "Anyone but _____" (obviously, Sanders fills in my blank)

And Sanders is their preferred candidate.

So the answer to the question is a resounding no. He has an excellent chance at winning. I do think that the fear of him was well founded in years past, but this isn't your daddy's white man electorate anymore. It's younger, more diverse, more liberal, and hungry for real change. The old rules (and fears) simply don't apply anymore. And I'm saying this as a Biden supporter. But I will happily vote for Sanders and I think he has a great chance of winning.

aren't even registered.

He drew significantly less of the vote than 2016. He should have had the same almost half, while the rest were fighting for the scraps.

Either way, young people's turnout is terrible 36% per the census well below the overall 53.4% (an improvement from the dismal 20% in 2014). Hope they really do it this year, but so far, doesn't seem likely to me.

I hope I'm wrong, and I will vote for him if he's the nominee.

But he completely radioactive to most of the country, outside of the far-left segment of voters.

We would be looking at a total electoral wipeout.

Who is Vlad rooting for this go round?

voter turnout is expected to near 70%. who that helps or hurts at this point isn't clear.

that awful paper/story whatever that he wrote way back, the fawning over Chavez & Castro, honeymooning in Moscow (although that last one might make him look better to trump), his wifes disastrous handling of the University, etc.

We need him and the country needs him.

in both houses of Congress then Bernie's our guy. I think with anyone else, though, we keep the House and have a very realistic shot at taking the Senate. But bomb-thrower Bernie chucking everyone who doesn't agree with his positions on everything under the bus, the chances of a McGovern-esque wipeout are all too real.

and the aftershocks of that disaster will endure for decades since it will affect down ballot races. Republicans will be stronger at the state level, districts will be gerrymandered to benefit the GOP, and Trump will continue to stack the judiciary with right wing selections.

certainly not the Senate. You need independents and suburban moms as well, and there not going to vote for Bernie, especially with the targeting the GOP will do.

That would be the simplest of solutions.

Given that Biden came in 4th in a moderate state, it wouldn't appear he is the answer, either.

Like those suburban moms and Independents. They make up about 10-15% of the vote. Many of them want to vote against Trump, but that won't happen with an old school Socialist like Bernie, and won't happen with anyone running on a platform of taking away their private healthcare.

I'f rather find someone else to reach out to.

So if they are considering a Democrat or Trump, it comes down to whether the like healthcare or racism better.

If anyone is one-the-fence in 2020, I doubt they are terrible reachable.

as 2018 midterms showed, moderate Republicans who are disgusted by Trump and looking for an alternative.

We don't have to sacrifice our values to reach them.

If we do, then they are exactly as I described.