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Some people say it doesn't matter where a campaign gets its money from. (Original Post) Uncle Joe Feb 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #1
Where does the Our Revolution Super pac get their's dsc Feb 2020 #2
We do know one single donation was made in the amount of $400,000 Zolorp Feb 2020 #6
maybe it was someone with $999.99 million which means it fine maximusveritas Feb 2020 #14
If our nominee is Bernie, will he flat out refuse Bloomberg funding? oasis Feb 2020 #3
Of course it matters - big donations want big favors. Welcome to govt! jmg257 Feb 2020 #4
His own Super PAC is hiding the donors Zolorp Feb 2020 #5
The most a billionaire can contribute to someone else's campaign is $2,800. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #7
Your seriously believe this? Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #8
Yes. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #9
Well then, here is something else for you to believe as well Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #11
directly yes, it is the federal law. they can donate unlimited amounts to Super Pacs, etc Celerity Feb 2020 #10
From the actual working American Public, Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #12
Billionaires can only donate $2,800 to someone else's campaign. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #15
Bernie is and has been criticizing this corrupt system for years Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #17
What the hell does that have to do with anything? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #19
Any political leader taking money from billionaires and/or Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #22
Oh bullshit. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #28
If that were true they'd all be Republicans. betsuni Feb 2020 #30
are you actually trying to infer that Buttigieg is corrupt? Celerity Feb 2020 #21
my problem with buttigieg is he wants universal insurance not universal healthcare questionseverything Feb 2020 #27
Some labor unions, those stalwarts of the proletariat, don't want Medicare for All. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #33
i understand that people that already have wonderful healthcare do not want to give up anything questionseverything Feb 2020 #35
even the public option will be insanely hard to get, let alone a true MFA style system Celerity Feb 2020 #38
one sentence summed it all up questionseverything Feb 2020 #39
Question? sheshe2 Feb 2020 #23
keep on believing that nt Celerity Feb 2020 #20
Millionaires are okay? brooklynite Feb 2020 #13
They are now that Sanders is one. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #16
Loophole. betsuni Feb 2020 #26
huh... handmade34 Feb 2020 #18
If Bloomberg drops out, he'll help finance the Dem campaign. Shouldn't oasis Feb 2020 #24
all donors are limited by the same law to the amount they can give to an individual candidate lol nt msongs Feb 2020 #25
Campaigns require money gollygee Feb 2020 #29
It doesn't. Like it or not this is the world we live in, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #31
Not everyone was able to convince college kids to hand their meager savings over. RandySF Feb 2020 #32
As long as the Citizen United decision stands, we need all the money we can get. Squinch Feb 2020 #34
Our Revolution is not required to disclose the names of its donors or how much they give. emulatorloo Feb 2020 #36
Our Democrats have shown themselves to be pretty straight forward, ethical people. I am good with krissey Feb 2020 #37

Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

 

dsc

(52,163 posts)
2. Where does the Our Revolution Super pac get their's
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:09 PM
Feb 2020

they support him and we have no earthly idea where the money comes from.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
6. We do know one single donation was made in the amount of $400,000
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:20 PM
Feb 2020

That was likely a billionaire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
14. maybe it was someone with $999.99 million which means it fine
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:38 PM
Feb 2020

If that person had an extra dollar though, they would be EVIL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,389 posts)
3. If our nominee is Bernie, will he flat out refuse Bloomberg funding?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
4. Of course it matters - big donations want big favors. Welcome to govt!
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:16 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
5. His own Super PAC is hiding the donors
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:19 PM
Feb 2020

Who was the one person who gave his SuperPAC $400,000? I'm pretty sure that was probably a billionaire.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
7. The most a billionaire can contribute to someone else's campaign is $2,800.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:20 PM
Feb 2020

Most of the top non-self funding candidates have raised millions and millions and millions of dollars from other Americans.

Simple math indicates that their campaigns are also "fueled by the working class" and not billionaires.

Shame on Sanders and his divisive campaign for continuing to slander Democrats with his intentionally misleading slurs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
8. Your seriously believe this?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:24 PM
Feb 2020

"The most a billionaire can contribute to someone else's campaign is $2,800."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
9. Yes.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:26 PM
Feb 2020

And the fact that you don't says all that needs to be said about Sanders supporters on this subject.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
11. Well then, here is something else for you to believe as well
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:30 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
10. directly yes, it is the federal law. they can donate unlimited amounts to Super Pacs, etc
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:29 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders gets dark money as well, so do not try and play the pure as the driven snow card.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
12. From the actual working American Public,
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:33 PM
Feb 2020

not from billionaires and their narrow self-serving interests.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
15. Billionaires can only donate $2,800 to someone else's campaign.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

I believe Buttigieg raised around $75 million in 2019.

There are 600 billionaires in the USA.

600 x $2,800 = $1.68 million

Where did the other tens and millions of dollars come from? Answer: mostly from everyday Americans.

Shame on Sanders supporters for trashing a Democratic candidate like this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
17. Bernie is and has been criticizing this corrupt system for years
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:43 PM
Feb 2020

and Pete knows it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
19. What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:51 PM
Feb 2020

Do you think that Buttigieg is somehow """corrupted""" because some individual billionaire donated $2,800 to his campaign -- a campaign that has raised tens of millions of dollars from everyday Americans?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
22. Any political leader taking money from billionaires and/or
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:56 PM
Feb 2020

mega corporations will have an instinctual feeling of obligation to look out for their best interests over those of the average working American.

If even nothing else more shady than that takes places, half a century of death by a thousand cuts is still death.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
28. Oh bullshit.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:35 PM
Feb 2020

No one is going to be "bought off" by $2,800.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,538 posts)
30. If that were true they'd all be Republicans.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:40 PM
Feb 2020

"Both sides" doesn't work at DU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
21. are you actually trying to infer that Buttigieg is corrupt?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:53 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
27. my problem with buttigieg is he wants universal insurance not universal healthcare
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:34 PM
Feb 2020

while he will always have tri care for himself, being a vet and all

I imagine some of the billionaires bundling for pete also want insurance rather than healthcare for us peons

if billionaires want to be taxed more to provide for the common good with nothing in return I have no problem with any dem receiving their support

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
33. Some labor unions, those stalwarts of the proletariat, don't want Medicare for All.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:46 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/democratic-presidential-race-labor-unions-remain-cool-medicare-all-plans-n1104966

...Marc Perone, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers union, told NBC News that he was against mandated "Medicare for All."

“In some parts of the country, I think that the health care benefits that we provide are far and away better than Medicare for All,” said Perone. “In other parts of the country, depending on the location, it might, it might shift the other way. So, what we want to be able to do is have the option.”


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
35. i understand that people that already have wonderful healthcare do not want to give up anything
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

even if it means others will completely go with out, sadly that is human nature

the problem with letting the ones with great insurance plans keep theirs is, for all their working lives many big bucks will be fed to insurance companies but when they get old we the people will get to pay for their healthcare


better if when they were young their bucks were being fed into the system that they would need when they were old and really need it

in general big insurance gets all the money when not too much healthcare is required but taxpayers pick up the super expensive end of life years

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
38. even the public option will be insanely hard to get, let alone a true MFA style system
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

I do not think even the public option will have a chance of passing, even it we take back the Senate by say a 52-48, or even 53-47 majority. Too many trillions of dollars in potential profits at stake. The system will collapse in its current form given the current rates of increase. At current projections, the US will spend over 125 TRILLION USD on all health care over the next 20 years. that rate of growth is unsustainable, BUT unfortunately, it will have to reach systemic collapse levels before there is the political will to do anything.

I fully agree that a Nordic model (I currently live in Sweden) is the best route to go, but the systemic controllers will fight that to the death, and to try and make the full leap to MFA in one fell swoop is electoral suicide, whether you or I like it or not. I also never see the discussion about what happens to a truly national MFA system if/when the Rethugs get back into a tripartite (POTUS and both branches of Congress) level of power and are able to wreak havoc upon it. The odds are fairly high that even the limited reforms of Obamacare are quite likely to be rip apart by the SCOTUS this summer. That means an extraordinary amount of poltical capitol is going to have to be expended just to get back to that level, a level that is still woefully not good enough.

Sometimes politics is the art of the possible, not the art of an all-or-nothing wish list. To intimate that a person is somehow corrupt due to simply trying to get through a programme that is actually doable, versus a politically DOA massive thrust is disingenuous at best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
39. one sentence summed it all up
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:19 PM
Feb 2020

you said....

Too many trillions of dollars in potential profits at stake.(true words)


if we had a majority we could pass anything, if we had the political will...aca was passed with reconciliation which is a simple majority


last time we had a chance we asked for a public option, which we didn't get maybe this time if we demand m4a we will get a good public option?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
23. Question?
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:16 PM
Feb 2020

How in the world could BS possibly know the financial status of his 1.5 million donors? Does the campaign require each donor to file their long form tax returns before they accept a donation? Does his team audit each person?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,416 posts)
20. keep on believing that nt
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:51 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

W_HAMILTON

(7,869 posts)
16. They are now that Sanders is one.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,538 posts)
26. Loophole.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

Do not say the word that Bernie supporters cannot hear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
18. huh...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

taking money away from poor people... doesn't sound very progressive to me

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,389 posts)
24. If Bloomberg drops out, he'll help finance the Dem campaign. Shouldn't
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:22 PM
Feb 2020

voters question the judgement of any candidate who would reject Bloomberg's help?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,420 posts)
25. all donors are limited by the same law to the amount they can give to an individual candidate lol nt
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:23 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. Campaigns require money
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:36 PM
Feb 2020

More money = more ability to win. We need someone willing to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
31. It doesn't. Like it or not this is the world we live in,
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:40 PM
Feb 2020

and as long as donations are legal and documented I truly don't care if they came from billionaires. If a few billionaires are giving to Democrats instead of Republicans maybe that's a good thing. Bloomberg, who is not my first choice (though I'll take him over Bernie) will be helping bankroll whoever the nominee is even if it's not him, and will help down-ticket Democrats as well. I assume Bernie wouldn't want any of Bloomberg's dirty billionaire money, though. Or maybe he would just run it through his own PAC, Our Revolution, so he can keep up the pretense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(58,911 posts)
32. Not everyone was able to convince college kids to hand their meager savings over.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
34. As long as the Citizen United decision stands, we need all the money we can get.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 09:53 PM
Feb 2020

To think otherwise is suicidal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
36. Our Revolution is not required to disclose the names of its donors or how much they give.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

End of story.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
37. Our Democrats have shown themselves to be pretty straight forward, ethical people. I am good with
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 10:03 PM
Feb 2020

them getting money from people with money to fight Trump. Yes I am.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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