Democratic Primaries
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dsc
(52,163 posts)they support him and we have no earthly idea where the money comes from.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)That was likely a billionaire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)If that person had an extra dollar though, they would be EVIL.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jmg257
(11,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Who was the one person who gave his SuperPAC $400,000? I'm pretty sure that was probably a billionaire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)Most of the top non-self funding candidates have raised millions and millions and millions of dollars from other Americans.
Simple math indicates that their campaigns are also "fueled by the working class" and not billionaires.
Shame on Sanders and his divisive campaign for continuing to slander Democrats with his intentionally misleading slurs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)"The most a billionaire can contribute to someone else's campaign is $2,800."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
And the fact that you don't says all that needs to be said about Sanders supporters on this subject.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,416 posts)Sanders gets dark money as well, so do not try and play the pure as the driven snow card.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)not from billionaires and their narrow self-serving interests.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)I believe Buttigieg raised around $75 million in 2019.
There are 600 billionaires in the USA.
600 x $2,800 = $1.68 million
Where did the other tens and millions of dollars come from? Answer: mostly from everyday Americans.
Shame on Sanders supporters for trashing a Democratic candidate like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)and Pete knows it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)Do you think that Buttigieg is somehow """corrupted""" because some individual billionaire donated $2,800 to his campaign -- a campaign that has raised tens of millions of dollars from everyday Americans?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)mega corporations will have an instinctual feeling of obligation to look out for their best interests over those of the average working American.
If even nothing else more shady than that takes places, half a century of death by a thousand cuts is still death.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)No one is going to be "bought off" by $2,800.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,538 posts)"Both sides" doesn't work at DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,416 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)while he will always have tri care for himself, being a vet and all
I imagine some of the billionaires bundling for pete also want insurance rather than healthcare for us peons
if billionaires want to be taxed more to provide for the common good with nothing in return I have no problem with any dem receiving their support
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)In some parts of the country, I think that the health care benefits that we provide are far and away better than Medicare for All, said Perone. In other parts of the country, depending on the location, it might, it might shift the other way. So, what we want to be able to do is have the option.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)even if it means others will completely go with out, sadly that is human nature
the problem with letting the ones with great insurance plans keep theirs is, for all their working lives many big bucks will be fed to insurance companies but when they get old we the people will get to pay for their healthcare
better if when they were young their bucks were being fed into the system that they would need when they were old and really need it
in general big insurance gets all the money when not too much healthcare is required but taxpayers pick up the super expensive end of life years
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,416 posts)I do not think even the public option will have a chance of passing, even it we take back the Senate by say a 52-48, or even 53-47 majority. Too many trillions of dollars in potential profits at stake. The system will collapse in its current form given the current rates of increase. At current projections, the US will spend over 125 TRILLION USD on all health care over the next 20 years. that rate of growth is unsustainable, BUT unfortunately, it will have to reach systemic collapse levels before there is the political will to do anything.
I fully agree that a Nordic model (I currently live in Sweden) is the best route to go, but the systemic controllers will fight that to the death, and to try and make the full leap to MFA in one fell swoop is electoral suicide, whether you or I like it or not. I also never see the discussion about what happens to a truly national MFA system if/when the Rethugs get back into a tripartite (POTUS and both branches of Congress) level of power and are able to wreak havoc upon it. The odds are fairly high that even the limited reforms of Obamacare are quite likely to be rip apart by the SCOTUS this summer. That means an extraordinary amount of poltical capitol is going to have to be expended just to get back to that level, a level that is still woefully not good enough.
Sometimes politics is the art of the possible, not the art of an all-or-nothing wish list. To intimate that a person is somehow corrupt due to simply trying to get through a programme that is actually doable, versus a politically DOA massive thrust is disingenuous at best.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)you said....
Too many trillions of dollars in potential profits at stake.(true words)
if we had a majority we could pass anything, if we had the political will...aca was passed with reconciliation which is a simple majority
last time we had a chance we asked for a public option, which we didn't get maybe this time if we demand m4a we will get a good public option?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)How in the world could BS possibly know the financial status of his 1.5 million donors? Does the campaign require each donor to file their long form tax returns before they accept a donation? Does his team audit each person?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,416 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,538 posts)Do not say the word that Bernie supporters cannot hear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,756 posts)taking money away from poor people... doesn't sound very progressive to me
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,389 posts)voters question the judgement of any candidate who would reject Bloomberg's help?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gollygee
(22,336 posts)More money = more ability to win. We need someone willing to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)and as long as donations are legal and documented I truly don't care if they came from billionaires. If a few billionaires are giving to Democrats instead of Republicans maybe that's a good thing. Bloomberg, who is not my first choice (though I'll take him over Bernie) will be helping bankroll whoever the nominee is even if it's not him, and will help down-ticket Democrats as well. I assume Bernie wouldn't want any of Bloomberg's dirty billionaire money, though. Or maybe he would just run it through his own PAC, Our Revolution, so he can keep up the pretense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,955 posts)To think otherwise is suicidal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)End of story.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)them getting money from people with money to fight Trump. Yes I am.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided