And I want all Dems to shut up about the candidate who isn't their choice. It is seriously time to say nothing at all if you have nothing good to say about one of our own candidates- except Tulsi maybe.

It comes across as arrogant and authoritarian, at least for me. I also have not commented, until now, on a single of the dog-face pony soldier threads, at least not directly about what was said. I shall continue to follow that path.

..."dog-face"?

Please just tell me if he said it or not.

used it before and now we've also been told it was a "funny insult" his brother used on him and he had forgotten about it so he attributed it to a movie.

Many will be asking...

I was never a fan of westerns, I think he did a movie about Green Berets.

Nah, it's a movie quote with a hidden and inoffensive message behind it.

Google it, don't rely on a forum to educate you!

But the Trump/ Russia playbook of sowing the seeds of confusion and division is working, obviously, from the number of posts on this topic.

Only questions I have, is where the quote came from, and what Joe meant to convey by using it?
Not the first time people go WTF? over something he said.

he was talking to a 21 year old woman, who had to get up her nerve just to ask that question in front of the audience, and told the reporter the encounter left her feeling shaken.

She wasn't expecting to be called "dog-faced" in front of her friends, and she -- of course - wouldn't know the expression had anything to do with some old western.

the chief tells hondo he is a lying dog faced pony soldier

I am 60 and hondo was before my time

by todays standards it would be considered stereotypical and offensive I think

I am sure he didn't mean to be offensive but it worries me that he keeps with these unforced errors

Individual words were said but John Wayne never said it.

in front of a roomful of people, must have stung.

I don't know why you're not acknowledging that.

Except the internet can't find that movie. So I guess now it's something folksy his brother said. Until that isn't good enough.

Perhaps you can tell his defenders to stop with the "IT'S FROM A MOVIE" falsehood.

for this thing he has been saying. The Tyrone Power movie and a John Wayne movie (She Wore a Yellow Ribbon). Though even though those both combined don't get to the addition of "lying."

And some are saying it was some wonderfully funny thing his brother used to say.

Of course nobody in his camp is saying they are sorry. Which one might want to do.

a narrator using the words described.

It's a western. The narrator was praising the historic role of U.S. Calvary men.

of sensitivity? Can't take a joke from Uncle Joe?

in my life.

Anyone with any empathy would realize you don't joke to a young, obviously nervous, woman by calling her "dog-faced."

It was a simple question - he could have just answered it.

a member of the Screen Actors Guild.

Not an insult, and it doesn't include 'lying'.

I'm a Joe fan but this is really pretty indefensible AFA being a gaffe goes.

If you're not an actor, don't try to be one.

a term that once applied to male civil war soldiers. And the 21 year old was supposed to understand the reference.

Right.

here give her credit for. The young woman came forward with a question in a political setting. Not exactly what I would call the "shrinking violet" type.

To my knowledge, Joe didn't single her out so he could make sport of her.

As Joe would say to those doing the excessive hand wringing over this nothing burger,

"C'mon man".

in Biden's words, since he refers to himself a "kid" when he started in Congress at age 29.

But maybe he doesn't care if he gets votes from "kids" like her and her friends.

candidate just because of this "incident", I wish them well.

I'm guessing none of them are shocked to the point they'd consider switching to the G.O.P..

So, as far as it impacts their votes in the G.E., it'll work out for you, me, the Democratic Party and our nation.

Have a good night.

I imagine you'll even allege relevance.

It's not I'm picking on "I'm your father, Luke" instead of "No, I am your father."

As to relevance, lots of people are passing this off as a movie line and people say movie lines all the time. But this isn't that. It's not a "frankly dear, I don't give a damn." It's something that he created in his head. People don't say this line.

Also, I'll accept my trophy any time.

happened if Sanders is the nominee...and Trump gets four more years. All the wishful thinking and the lack of political consideration will cost us the election...Buttigieg has less chance than Sanders. The states we need haven't changed. Biden is the best candidate to beat Trump.

in response to her legitimate question. How was the 21 year old -- or her friends -- supposed to know he wasn't commenting on her looks?

This was another foot-in-mouth moment for Biden.

likely lose. Sanders won't win a general...Warren and Klobachar are low and won't win the primary. None of the above have enough AA vote either. It is Biden or Bloomberg...not sure Bloomberg can win the blue wall states. I don't give two fucks who wins...I like Biden but if any of the others could do it, they would have my support. The bottom line is this, Trump is going to win if Biden isn't the candidate or maybe Bloomberg. We need blue wall states and since impeachment Trump is up in the polls higher than Obama was in 12...an incumbent is tough to beat. We don't have a candidate other than Biden who wins the Mid West...maybe Bloomberg but he is a New Yorker so who knows. This is a self inflicted wound. And it is a damn shame. I don't see how we even have a progressive movement for a decade or more (probably more) if Trump wins.

How is he going to beat Trump in an election if he can't even get through the primaries without making jokes that appear to be insulting Democratic voters?

in front of a roomful of other students.

It doesn't take a great deal of empathy to figure that out.

You say you saw the video. Did you look at her face right after he said that? She looked stunned. And not in a good way.

by such things...maybe because as a survivor...I had to toughen up...don't know but I just don't get it. It was a joke.

was okay.

She was 21. She wasn't familiar with the phrase. How was she supposed to know it was a joke?

Have you never in your life heard someone mock someone-- make a joke -- in a mean way? How would she know that his joke -- about her being dog-faced -- wasn't meant to be mean?

it clear it was joke ...but I honestly don't see it as being something I would have worried about...the conversation continued...it was clearly a joke. but we can agree to disagree...I truly think it is just a person who supports a different candidate which is why the question was about Iowa...and Biden has said this before you know.

If Trump had called someone that would anyone here be defending it? Of course not.

She might be in the same position I am -- still trying to figure out who she wants to support -- and so she asked him how he would go on after Iowa.

Well, he made sure he wouldn't have her support, or her young friends.

But do continue, I guess. Because you will.

Anything else women shouldn't say?

Seriously...and the only reason you do is you don't like Biden.

Seems like the internet is having a hard time finding it. I can let them know for you.

And it's not just a movie quote. Someone challenged him in a town hall, and he responded in a horrible way like he has several times. At least this time he didn't call her fat and challenge her to a push-up contest or tell her to vote for someone else.

If he can't handle this, what the hell is he going to do in a general against Trump?

and then looking stunned at his "dog-faced" response.

Link to tweet

So much laughter from her.

This is the sort of thing about which no fucks should be given at all.

She had been all smiles, politely asking a question he acknowledged was legitimate.

But then he responded with a wisecrack that included the words "dog faced." And she was no longer smiling.

Maybe he'll have to apologize. I don't know. I'll vote for whoever can beat Trump and won't be wasting energy on what somebody said at a rally.

"First cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

and I'm sick of people going out of their way to find every flyspeck they can to damage Democrats. There's nothing that any of them have ever done or said that's worse than the thousand things Trump has done and said.

He won't be running with Obama at the top of the ticket.

I am a bit astounded at the lengths some Biden supporters will go to defend the indefensible. I would like to think that if my own, preferred candidate stuck his foot in his mouth, I would graciously concede that he made an unforced error and then move on, hoping that he made no similar errors in the future. Some Biden supporters seem unable to do that. I appreciate your insistence upon civility (and a modicum of empathy) within the party.

-Laelth

where the critics are coming from as long as they want a democrat as the nominee.

Nothing. None of us learn anything about Bernie Sanders by repetitive threads by his supporters bashing the other candidates. One would think they'd realize that they're not gaining any support for THEIR candidate by bashing all of the others. At this point I'm seeing Sanders as pretty much a grouch, and many of his supporters are following that lead. I really hope we elect a President who will take our country in a POSITIVE direction. The negativity from -45 is disgusting. We don't need that on our side too

That's one thing you learned.

His audience laughed, so I guess they also knew he was joking. The only people who don't are those who don't want to know.

And because I enjoy learning, I also learned why he used that phrase. I'm not saying it was wise. It wasn't, because some people will jump all over it, refusing to see it for what it was. And those people aren't doing THEIR candidate any favors. How about instead of looking for any reason at all to bash, they tout their own candidate's good points. That's the kind of thing that could sway an undecided voter like me.

...especially in 2020? Some in the audience looked as if they responded with nervous laughter, not sure what to make of the whole situation.

It's not my mission to sway undecideds on DU... make up your own mind. I'm undecided myself and none of these comments affects my vote but things like Biden trashing Buttigieg most definitely affects my vote. Joe poking people and telling them to vote for Trump affects my vote. And Biden insulting a young woman affects my vote.

There's a ripple effect with every convinced voter, especially me. I campaign. So if someone convinces me, and then I convince others, and then they, in turn, convince others.....then my one vote turns into many votes.

Anyway, to your question, "In what world would anyone consider that funny....", some people did. And some didn't. That's the way it goes. We'll see how it all plays out. Speculating is fun, but not productive.

I'm just not much of a pearl-clutcher, so I guess I'm looking at the incident through a different lens than you are.

I'm out. This is non-productive.

"pearl-clutching." Uh-huh. Maybe if the media plays the clip to death it'll be his Dean Scream.

it's definitely unacceptable coming from a presidential candidate, regardless of party.

And picturing myself in a work setting with a coworker or boss saying it to me and how I would have handled it.

I can be thoughtless. And sometimes my jokes just don't land.

.... is perfectly aware of the context, especially those who are distorting it. The anti Biden choir loves it, some people don't like it, and the rest of us are laughing at it.

And before then she had been all smiles, nicely asking her question -- which he said was legitimate.

....is that he did not say it with any mean or nasty intent, which is what many are inferring. It was just another Joe Biden gaffe, which is what a lot of his supporters wish he hadn't said, but which by no stretch of the imagination by any rational person, should disqualify him. I feel a little bad for the young lady who did not recognize an obvious attempt at humor, but this is just another example of the out of context mudslinging that has been aimed at Joe Biden, which about 99% has been shot down within a few posts.

or his HEART that is at issue.

It is his WORDS. And for a politician, words matter.

"It is his WORDS. And for a politician, words matter."

He could have used better words, but it was an appropriate response to someone whose motives in the confrontation we're less than honorable, and reflected badly upon her candidate of choice. As usual, after having invested so deeply and passionately in the attempt to smear Joe Biden, it is understandable that there is a reluctance to put the incident in proper context.

"I haven't seen a single person say he did it with any mean or nasty intent."

in·fer
/inˈfər/
verb
deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

who asked what Biden himself said was a legitimate question.

.... just questioning them.

That was more than "questioning." It was a harsh judgment of someone you don't know, based on non-existent evidence.

We're doomed.

and using the pretense of concern as a second-rate adhesive is bemusing.

Nominees saying obscure and quasi-offense movie quotes without thinking.

I am in my late 40s and I’ve never heard this quote. You must have to go way back to a Movie Tone newsreel at the Nickelodeon or something.

I think it was a poor choice of comments in cancel culture and in a world where the penalty for every mistake is death, but “dog face pony soldier” makes sense given pony soldiers are cavalry and dog faces are soldiers.

It was a goofy comment but the outrage is horrifying. Ask not for whom the troll trolls.

I think Mr. Biden felt too comfortable with his audience and said something person-to-person instead of staying completely professional. I heard that the young woman smiled and then I heard she was upset. Over the years, people have said things to me that I initially shook off, but then realized bothered me.

In the current political environment, none of our Democratic candidates can say anything that will be taken out of context, can't say anything that can be misconstrued, anything that isn't as bland as mayonnaise. Unfortunately, we are seeing in real time how things like this take over the news. We are no longer talking about thug traitor, our military in hostile countries, loss of allies, the environment, the whole slate of civil rights issues and all of the other issues that we should be talking about.

I like that we have so many candidates, because I thought that all of the different voices helped our entire party talk about issues in depth, and as we get closer to making the choice, the candidates and we the people will be better informed about what is facing us. I'm already tired of seeing emphasis on personality, focus on slips, and our candidates slamming each other instead of keeping the heat on thug traitor. We can do better. We must do better, candidates, media and voters.