....in reality.

And super tuesday in general... this is the time they seem to matter most. The time they didnt matter, was before Iowa.

He may cut into Biden's lead, but Bloomberg isn't going anywhere in Texas and I doubt that he will receive any delegates in most of the southern states after the voters are reminded of his "stop and frisk" policies.

Give it a few more weeks and it will sort out. It will be Bernie vs. Biden.

Hoisted on their own petard!

...in early January (with your advanced search skills, I'm sure you could track that one down). Also, even some of the replies to that one that you dug up from history would give you an indication of why it was posted.

So tell me, what function does a national poll serve other than provide faux bragging rights? We don't hold any national primaries or caucuses, they're conducted state and territory by state and territory.

"LOL" indeed.

Long distance runners chew on salt tablets, and they have lower than average blood pressures.
What causes high blood pressure is hardened arteries.

Think of a rubber hose versus a hard plastic pipe. If pressure inside the hose in increased, the hose expands, and the pressure rise is mitigated. Do the same in a hard plastic pipe, and the pressure sky rockets.

Ingesting salt increases fluid volume in arteries, and the hardened arteries can not expand to relieve pressure.
Best way to keep blood pressure normal is regular exercise until you sweat. It makes the arteries stronger and more flexible and you get rid of some salt through sweat.

Salt itself doesn't cause high blood pressure, but as you point out it does cause an increase in water stored in the body which raises one's blood pressure.

not leading a sedentary life and ingest blood pressure pills. Those pills slowly destroy kidneys and harm the liver.

....to check my liver function. Been on Lipitor for probably 25 years or so, still no issues (but one thing I can't drink is grapefruit juice, my FAVORITE juice!!!)

What's interesting is that just about any medication eventually winds up potentially affecting the kidneys and liver, even Tylenol and other over the counter medications.

My two conditions (high blood pressure and high cholesterol) can both be lessened by exercise, to the point that if I was really physically oriented I could probably do away with the drugs to treat them.

It's funny, just about everyone I talk to in my age group (early '70s) has both of those issues. Just a problem of getting old.

I had 155/90 numbers in my 50's. And I had hip joint pain, panic attacks in closed areas such as malls,
rapid heart beats, fainting spells....I was a physical wreck heading for catastrophic consequences with my life style of stressful job and no time or energy for exercise.

So...I resigned at age 57, moved to a cheaper living cost area, and began an exercise routine which I would not get bored of and quit. For me it was walking 6 miles on each round of golf 3 or 4 times every week. My 80th birthday is next month, and I feel amazingly good. Quit golf at age 75, and now it is the gym every other day. If I stop going to the gym treadmill, the end will come quickly. Too many in my family died early of heart attacks.

If Bernie is in the lead then polls are malarkey, or poppycock and Bernie should 23 skidoo cause polls are codswallop.

You have complained to me several times when I have posted an OP that I missed because it fell off the page about things being posted more than once with this has already been posted. I even deleted one OP because a couple weeks ago because a person I ignore posted it. That leads up to this:

Here's what I noticed, after you posting in those two seperate threads by different people on Bernie's health records you started a brand new OP on Bernie's medical records. I have seen you posting polls with your candidate in the lead like they are words from an oracle.

Please excuse me if I don't read your post claiming you don't, because I know you do. Have a great day George.

That post explained the reason why I posted about national polls more than a month ago. It was because people were gushing over a particular national poll taken by itself, not an overall average. But of course some (not referring to you) go back, take a post out of context (even though no doubt the context was known) to post a weak "gotcha" that proved nothing.

MOST of the time, when I've posted poll results, they were for individual states, not national polls. Since I said "most of the time" (not "never&quot I'm sure someone (again, not referring to you) will go scurrying off to find other instances where I've posted national polls and try to throw it in my face.

Thankfully most people here, even those that don't agree with me, see through those attempts.

when they favor your candidate. And now it favors Bernie sooo.. now they don't matter. I simply used our exchanges yesterday to illustrate why I think you do when you say you don't because I'm not going to bother looking for them.

and that will have a devastating effect of Joe's fundraising. And it might cause some of Joe's softer supporters to look elsewhere. This poll is not helping Joe's campaign.

And the GE polling done by Quinnipiac shows Bloomberg doing better against Trump than Sanders does.

Biden may very well rebound in the polls later. It's been working against him that the first two states to vote are so unrepresentative.

But if he doesn't, Bloomberg will pick up the votes of moderate and somewhat liberal Dems, and he'll roll right over Sanders on his way to rolling right over Trump.

And if Biden does rebound, I expect Bloomberg to help him.

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Also interesting is that ad generated candidates like Steyer and Bloomberg underperformed dramatically from their polling in Iowa. It'll be interesting if a similar result comes in from NH.

Some people can't handle the truth.

That Bush lover is persona non grata to me, even with his fake (D).

Regardless, trump is #7 on my list, even more so than Sanders and Bloomberg.

This is not a spiritual quest, an emotional rollercoaster, or a pied piper stroll off a cliff.

Never thought I'd type that sentence.

All the decisiveness created. The "demonizing" of Democrats to now adopt the Democratic plan on HC of reducing age slowing with medicaire?

One thing about Sanders: he usually does what he says he's going to do. With 40 years to back it up. I think that's half the reason his base is so gung-ho about him; they have a reasonable expectation that he's going to fight for them because he's spent his career doing so.

I’m sick to death of incrementalism and go-along-to-get-along.

Not that I think Elizabeth Warren is at all guilty of that. Just the opposite. She’s one of my favorites.

Bush versus Kerry

Brown versus Warren

Peter King
Pat Toomey <<<<<< this one is especially egregious as we were fighting for the senate in
Orrin Hatch
Mark Kirk
John McCain
Susan Collins


Not to mention being on record saying the only way to balance the budget is cutting “entitlements”

Oh yeah, and we should all work until we drop while billionaires get carried around on litters and have their fannies wiped.

...who will bring us the end of Roe v Wade? That Bloomberg? Oh, he's Dem now, didn't you hear? He promises to never do that stuff again.

If Bloomberg buys his way to the top the only person that helps will be Trump.

Responses are reported for 1,519 self-identified registered voters with a margin of
sampling error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. The survey includes 665 Democratic voters
and independent voters who lean Democratic with a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.8
percentage points. Margins of sampling error for subgroups are available upon request.

Surveys are conducted in English or Spanish dependent on respondent preference with live
interviewers calling landlines and cell phones.

All data was collected and tabulated by the Quinnipiac University Poll.
PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING - Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

REGISTERED VOTERS PARTY IDENTIFICATION

Republican 30%
Democrat 36
Independent 26
Other/DK/NA 8

Considering how many open primaries there are

ratings, and the general election part of the poll, where Bloomberg did best against Trump. The respondents who answered the questions about Democratic primary preference are identified in the internal numbers as Dems or Dem leaning.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3655

Ask why anyone would suggest otherwise.

Everyone, especially people with a lifelong involvement in politics like seasoned posters here on DU, know how polls work in regards to Democratic preferences in the 2020 primary.

Only Democratic, or in some cases also lean Democratic, voters are counted in the Democratic preference questions. Not Republicans.

Everyone knows that's how these polls work. And I do mean _everyone_

Those republicans are only allowed to answer general or Republican preferences.

disingenuous.

You can find it in his past praises of polls in his favor.

....not nationally. National polls have no significance in the course of the 57 state/territory primaries or caucuses.

Bernie is ahead of Biden. He's ahead of my candidate too. It looks bad at this point not to admit that.

Look at the two recent polls here about which one DUers would choose, Bloomberg or Sanders.

I want Warren and you want Biden. Can either of us come back?

She'd have a better chance of winning the GE, if our nominee is going to be from that wing of the party.

Sanders is doing well in GE polling now, but once the Republicans make sure Americans know more about his background, he won't be.

And it infuriates me to think Sanders might cost us the House as well.

She's the bridge in the middle, a compromise candidate. Bernie and Biden supporters both like her, but sadly I don't see her winning the nomination at this point. We'll know after SC I suppose.

if she were the nominee, fewer people would be disappointed than would be disappointed by other candidates being the nominee.

Personally I think she went too far left, and the NYT's endorsement also said some of her proposals went too far.

But I'd still happily vote for her over Sanders.

A lot of Sanders supporters have been showing real animus toward her, though, at least on Twitter.

to ride in on a white horse and rescue the country.

that is the hope ...

Can a 'socialist revolution' defeat Trump?

Probably a lot of minorities. Trump will probably beat Bloomberg.

student debt, no matter how large, no matter how able you are to repay it, and to do so tax-free.

That's basically a giveaway of hundreds of thousands of dollars to many young voters, and tens of thousands of dollars to many more.

If Sanders' younger supporters actually realized how little chance he has of ever delivering on that promise, much of his support would disappear overnight.

Trump just gave away $28 billion to Farmers to buy their votes from his horrible trade policies.

Wonder what that would work out to per vote?

in taxes last year. The rich are barely paying taxes in light of how much they make. We're wasting an astronomical amount of money on defense that we don't need. We're spending tens of billions of Trump's stupid wall and Space Force.

There is lots of wasted money in this country you could recoup if you get rid of all the corruption and tax loopholes.

This thing is gonna be over on supertuesday and then we all need to fall in line and go after trump.

that's without Bloomberg entering the primary in the early states.

I doubt Sanders has a chance against Bloomberg on Super Tuesday.

Sanders has been outspending his rivals. That's what's given him the advantage over Biden in particular, since he's been spending more than twice as much as Biden.

This election cycle.

America as we know it is over if Trump is re-elected. (At least In Our Lifetime 7-2 SCOTUS just for starters)

We cannot fuck around on this election. Trump must be defeated!!

2018 Blue wave happened because Dems captured swing districts and Trump leaning districts.

A changing of the guards.

My state's primary is one week after super Tuesday.. Hmmmm.

Who I vote for will depend on Joe's showing in Nevada and SC, if he falters, I'm switching to Bloomberg

If that happens en mass, Sanders will not receive any of those switches..

I’m already starting to see some attacks on Sanders that are mild in comparison to what the GOP will throw at him. There are writings, speeches etc he gave years ago that will end up in GOP ads. By time their opposition research is through with him he’ll be toast before the convention.

The pendulum is definitely swinging in our favor!! I just don't think it's yet. This election we will need to maintain Dem voter's while capturing the swing states with moderates and sane GOP voter's (think The Lincoln Project) to make sure there is an American future!! This is also the demographic combination that gave us the Great Blue Wave of 2018!!

Building your campaign on 'electability' is a two edged sword.

His electability is now a question mark based on two unrepresentative states that seem to have altered the outcome prematurely for all the states to follow. Shame that. Trump must be dancing.

which everyone knew would be the first two. How often did supporters here say IA did not matter?

hype that is changing things.

Dean's 3rd place in 2004 changed the game. Obama's 2008 win changed the game. So has Biden's 4th this time around . The media is calling the game, not the shots.

Perhaps check behind the couch cushions?

Keep working hard Berners, this is our time to take the Democratic Party back to it's working class roots and rout the GOP.

That's a lot of votes when you have more than a half dozen candidates in the race. Very Impressive.

No newspapers will declare a winner because of the chaos.That being said, if Pete won Iowa, good for him. We can take up this discussion again on Tuesday night if you'd like. (although Iowa will probably still not have results by then....)

If he has the support the polls suggest, why caucus if he's your guy? Just a thought...

National polling does not matter. Look at Hillary Clinton as a prime example. What matters is FLIPPING 3 states. Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Until there is multiple polls showing Bernie crushing it I those states I would hold off on announcing the inauguration. When are democrats gonna realize that the popular vote doesn’t matter, all that matters is the electoral college.

Biden, Bloomberg, Sanders are all over 75. Warren is 70. Will Trump's liabilities of age rub off on our candidates? In a perverse and unfair way, that could happen.

polls, not votes eom.

I've never seen a primary candidate reverse a trend like that.

nominee