Middle country vote. First woman president. Lets not split the vote. Be responsible. Vote Klobuchar.

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I am always into seeing a downside before stepping forward.

Is not good enough to win with Pete and Bloomberg where they are. It just keeps her in longer.

That still makes Bernie the winner.

people would get it and be gracious enough to do the same, along with Warren Democrats. Lol.

I mean, if we are going to throw out getting behind only one candidate, why not someone that will hit most needs.

But let’s be real. That isn’t happening. Certainty not now. Not before South Carolina at least.

And I still expect Biden to win South Carolina. So he has zero incentive to drop out.

before we have barely started the primary vote first because he would have the easiest win against Trump and now to not split the moderate vote to beat Sanders.

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like maybe Tim Ryan from Ohio can beat Trump. Ryan is very popular in Ohio and might help take the state...he is a big union guy and well liked in the rust belt. I still hope for Biden but Warren is my second choice. I would have to see how Kobachar does...I don't vote until Ohio anyway.

You convinced me.

don't believe the early states should doom any candidate.

It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

If you expect people to drop out before the first 4 has voted, then tell Biden.

Because that’s his position. The first 4 should vote first. So why should anyone else be any different?

and since 1984 only one Super Tuesday winner failed to be the nominee.

(That was '84 when Gary Hart won, but he was Gary Hart...)

So, in abut three weeks we'll have our nominee.

Biden and Warren fail...I am in Ohio and will know by then I think...

Warren and Klobuchar are interchangeable, Buttigieg then Biden. That is my list.

Trump must go.

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Democrats have a perfect storm of opportunity to send Trump packing, and they are managing to %#$! it up.

to Bloomberg. Lots of my friends are changing to Bloomberg including my AA friends.

Same here. I vote week after super Tuesday. Sanders will receive none of the post super Tuesday switches.

will come together behind someone else -- at the second ballot when the superdelegates can weigh in.

I can just imagine what Trump would say about something like that. We need to uphold democratic traditions and make sure that whoever gets the most votes during the primary season becomes our nominee. And by that I mean whoever gets a plurality because with this many candidates we probably will not get a majority

The nomination is decided by delegates.

otherwise it will be perceived as undemocratic. If we get a nominee through a back room deal then the supporters of the candidate who should’ve won will most likely sit out the election handing it to the Republicans.

It is determined by delegates. Votes do not matter.

I don’t care how many more votes Bernie had in Iowa. Pete got more delegates. Those are the rules.

the most votes should be the candidate who gets the most delegates. If not then the process will be perceived as being rigged and that would be a disaster for the party. And by the way, I support eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote and I also favor a national primary that would allow our nominee to be selected on the basic of one man/woman one vote.

Those are the rules everyone understood.

No, we shouldn’t change the rules from delegates to votes.

There is nothing in our traditions that would require the delegates at the convention to support him over a candidate who could more effectively bring our party together.

If the party bosses are perceived as having forced a nominee on the voters against their will that certainly will not bring the party together, quite the contrary.

since, under this scenario, 70% of the voters won't have chosen Bernie.

If Bernie and his supporters want him to win at the convention, they should be reaching out to expand his support. Otherwise many people would be happy to have their second or even third choice win at the convention -- not a candidate they view as inflexible and extreme.

Like when he won the caucuses in my state, so ALL the delegates were assigned through them (ZERO through the primaries that Hillary won).

going to be very ugly I think, and there will be a lot of division and fighting

I hope that doesn't happen

Whether or not there's a quick consensus on a moderate alternative to Sanders or not, Bernie is only polling at 25%-30% of his 2016 total; about HALF of his 2016 strength. That's not a path to get a majority of the delegates.

this is a different race and there's still a lot of candidates.

Are you assuming that, as candidates drop out, their support will go to Bernie? Or that he'll cobble together a majority in a brokered convention?

nomination on the first vote, it isn't going to be pretty, and I think there will be a lot of fighting and division

It's really scaring me, I think Bernie could lose us not only the Presidential election, but the House as well.

Study it a little bit. There's a reason Fox news has been giving Bernie so much love.

Democrats who won the nomination and the election.

The so-called Sanders-Ocasio Cortez faction endorsements results were dismal at best

you feel that way?

do not live in districts that would elect a socialist.

if Bernie should get a majority of delegates and win the nomination then we all need to get behind him and make sure that he wins in November.

I think he has completely revamped the Democratic Party. If not for sanders, they’d be no college Loan talk, environment green deal, income inequality, 15 dollar minimum wage, and a lot more. Also probably not have an AOC who was the result of sanders policies. He’s been a boon for the party. Thank God he ran in 2016 or we’d be issue deprived.

which entailed many years of painstaking research. Research that once compiled informed academics and politicians.

Once she followed sanders lead, she felt comfortable to discuss them. Think back to 2016 and you will understand this to be true.

sought her out on her work. Her work established the path for CFPB.

She didn’t CHAT these up at all? She’s not shallow or a fvcking egomaniac. If you didn’t know these things about her it’s because you likely didn’t care to learn the facts about her in the first place.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/15/21054083/elizabeth-warren-2020-democratic-primary

Democratic nominees without a doubt

better in NH, I think that would help tremendously

he deserves the nomination. Are you acting as if the other candidates are one and the same?

The nomination is decided by delegates. Not votes.

If not then that will be a glaring campaign issue exploited by the Republicans.

And for Bernie or his supporters to claim so would be divisive and disingenuous.

If your strategy is to run up the votes in college towns, go for it.

But the delegates are determined differently.

As you obviously know due to your comment about college towns, Bernie’s supporters tend to be younger. The old fogeys at DU do not represent the Democratic Party. And I am not bashing older people because I am an older person myself. I’m just telling it like it is.

when caucuses were his greatest strength.

is going to make this a (successful) campaign issue?

You're a hoot!

As an example, Trump has had the nerve to accuse Joe Biden of nepotism even though Trump himself is the king of nepotism. Trump will pull every lowdown trick in the book including lying and cheating. And if we do not nominate the people's choice in favor of a candidate chosen by party bosses, Trump will take that all the way to the bank.

Soon, most of those moderates are going to drop out of the race. When they do, most will suggest who their supporters should switch to. Most voters who currently support a moderate candidate will continue to want to support a moderate.

After Super Tuesday's primaries, you are going to see a big change in the numbers. There are too many candidates right now, frankly. Soon, there will be fewer and things will start changing.

Don't be disheartened.

If Biden can't rebound, I'll be happy to support Bloomberg.

Or anyone else in our party who can stop Sanders.

after his heart attack. That alone would make me very weary of voting for him.

I will be voting strategically. First beat sanders, then trump... no matter who I prefer as my first choice.

Good strategy for the winner. Sucks for everyone else.

It is EXACTLY how he won. you look at the 2016 Republican primary field, and there's so many parallels.

Really don't want to have to decide between 2 populist, un-statesmanlike figures.

cf. Corbyn, Jeremy

He's very well poised to suck some of the moderate wind out of Super Tuesday.

It's very ironic...

We watched this exact same kind of rolling out of a relatively unpopular populist candidate going against a field of long time party members happen in 2016 when Trump managed to steamroll everyone with a very small portion of the vote.

At this time in 2016:
12 candidates went in. Cruz won Iowa with 27.6%, Trump lost at 24.3%, Rubio had 23.1%, Carson had 9.3%. Had Cruz/Rubio not competed, today we may be living in a VERY different United States.
New Hampshire ended up going to Trump as well, but with only 35.2% Kashich/Cruz/Bush/Rubio each split up their "moderates".. had they not united against the populist candidate, they'd have had more than 50% even figuring some may have gone for trump.

What you are saying is 100% spot on a very real possibility.. and we're forming up to make the exact same huge mistake that the more historically sensible of the Republican base made in 2016..

But.. what can we do. It is what it is. Not going to say any more on my thoughts of how bad this will be if it goes down that way.. I'll just support my candidate to the best of my ability for now.. then whomever is best poised to go after Sanders until there's no more preferred candidates left. Anyone but Bernie 2020 imo.

winner take all states that give a substantial lead to the Repub frontrunner pretty fast. It's a reason why their recent primaries were over way earlier than ours.

In the Dem case, it may be likely that no candidate ends with 50% of the delegates and then it will be interesting what happens. If several moderates are in the race till the end, one of them might still end up winning and not the one who had the most delegates without a majority.

Plenty of time to take him out before the convention. Remember, Hillary got 75% of the black vote. Bernie can't win the nomination w/o the black vote. And he'll never get it.Since 1980, no one has got the nomination and lost the black vote. The media is a piece of shit. If Bernie wins NH they'll be crowning him all week and singing his glory. The guy with 30 or so delegates will be the presumptive. They want to see Brutal Capitalist Monster vs Socialist OverPromiser in the GE. It would be funny to them. So gird your loins. It will be all Sanders all the time until Nevada,

I finally read Nate Silver's reason for throwing every state to Bernie. Get this, he ranked Iowa as 2nd most important primary event after Super Tuesday. Why? Because there was a lot of media there. The media now outweighs the voters in his prediction models. It is fucking sick.

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What is curious about this is why is he ignoring what Pete accomplished in Iowa?

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I will be voting for Joe.

Nobody is forcing all of those so-called moderates to all be running for the same office. And any one of them is free to drop out at any time and throw support to another moderate. But if they do not, as I said, it is what it is. What we need to do is make sure that the party unites behind whoever the nominee is, whether it's a moderate or not.

since they can't imagine that in their own mind its impossible to imagine sanders beating trump.

Which I think is a good look for Democrats.

(I myself am supporting a moderate because I am a moderate, but once we have a nominee, I'm all in for her or him.)