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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:31 PM Feb 2020

Politico: New poll shows Bloomberg eating into Biden's support among black voters

I don't post this with any great pleasure. It just seems important, as African American support has been considered Joe Biden's firewall.

Monday’s poll finds the former vice president with his lowest national numbers yet in a Quinnipiac poll, but his weakened stance nationally is likely not the only cause for concern for Biden's campaign.

The survey also shows that Bloomberg is successfully eating into Biden's popularity among black voters, a key Democratic voting bloc that had been considered the vice president's firewall should he falter in New Hampshire on Tuesday.

Monday's poll shows Biden maintains his current lead among black voters, but his support has plummeted from 49 percent before the caucuses to 27 percent. Bloomberg, meanwhile, has rocketed into second place among black voters, with 22 percent support compared to 7 percent late last month.

The poll also brings Bloomberg one step closer toward qualifying for the next Democratic primary debate, which is on Feb. 19 in Nevada. He needs to hit at least 10 percent in two more polls by Feb. 18 to qualify. So far, Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Sanders and Warren have qualified for the debate, according to POLITICO's tracking of public polling and delegate allocations.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/10/joe-biden-national-poll-113302

Hard to know what to make of this. My mother's whole issue with Bloomberg has been, "He won't get one black vote."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Politico: New poll shows Bloomberg eating into Biden's support among black voters (Original Post) Mike 03 Feb 2020 OP
It was going to happen but for Bloomberg to be the beneficiary makes me sick. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #1
It is strange. I don't understand. Mike 03 Feb 2020 #4
+1000 bluewater Feb 2020 #5
I am outraged! jimfields33 Feb 2020 #19
I make nothing of it because I don't believe it. Doremus Feb 2020 #2
Same here. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #7
Nope. I think Ds need to start coming to terms with Mike being our nominee. stopbush Feb 2020 #9
Heck no. wisteria Feb 2020 #13
I doubt that Bloomberg will meet the 15% threshold to be viable in most southern states. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #16
Jason Johnson reported on Am Joy Sunday that black voters are looking seriously at Bloomberg. stopbush Feb 2020 #18
Jason Johnson is just another pundit. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #21
Another black pundit (female) just echoed Johnson's thoughts on Nicolle's show. stopbush Feb 2020 #42
Jason Johnson has always been anti-Biden. He has his own agenda and does not represent the majority Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #24
That is smart Lulu KC Feb 2020 #33
I don't need to and I won't! He's not the best first or second choice against Trump. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #28
Yeah PatSeg Feb 2020 #10
Agree that this Bloomberg run isn't the hail Mary they hope and will go south instead Doremus Feb 2020 #14
Agree NedBraden Feb 2020 #37
Bloomberg's ads have been very effective. patphil Feb 2020 #3
I don't welcome him.He is just a carpetbagger wisteria Feb 2020 #12
Whomp, whomp, Wisteria. He is little better and will not fare well as the nominee. We don't need emmaverybo Feb 2020 #32
Black voters are pragmatic. If they look for someone other than Biden, it WON'T be Sanders. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #6
He is running constant ads in South Carolina. wisteria Feb 2020 #8
Whoever is our BEST chance to smash Trump and pull back the Senate will damn well Celerity Feb 2020 #17
+ tons pandr32 Feb 2020 #40
You're right - he could care less about us. He proved that as NY Mayor. Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #25
if Pete stumbles, I am going full bore for Bloomberg, he can blow Trump away at so many levels Celerity Feb 2020 #11
I doubt Michelle Obama would come within a light-year of the VP slot. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #31
If true about Bloomberg and AA voters then he is also Iliyah Feb 2020 #15
Why not on all primaries jr1118x Feb 2020 #20
I'm pretty sure when people start actually learning about Bloomberg - that's going to dwindle Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #22
For those already willing to switch to Bloomberg, know that he will never win a GE with this baggage Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #26
Biden is toast. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #23
So is Sanders if Bloomberg takes over the AA + Latino voters . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #29
Yep. I cannot understand how these candidates did not cultivate African American support Yavin4 Feb 2020 #34
He is blasting the tv ad every 20 sec that's how's he's doing it FloridaBlues Feb 2020 #27
Bloomberg is working hard to insure no one gets sufficient delegates by the convention, and then I still_one Feb 2020 #30
Uh ohhhh... time to pull the emergency shoot?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #35
Anti gun policies /he has put in a lot of cash at that . This endorsement is close to home for me lunasun Feb 2020 #36
Did he mention his stop and frisk policy to target black people? Bloomberg will never win Chicago. Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #38
He'll easily beat Trump in Chicago. Kaleva Feb 2020 #39
Bloomberg defended "stop and frisk" and laughed at an apology tour until.... emmaverybo Feb 2020 #41
Bloomberg became mayor of one of the largest and most liberal cities in the US Happyhippychick Feb 2020 #43
 

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
1. It was going to happen but for Bloomberg to be the beneficiary makes me sick.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. It is strange. I don't understand.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jimfields33

(15,823 posts)
19. I am outraged!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:07 PM
Feb 2020

He just waltzes in, spends money, gets changes to debate rules, no campaigning. This is a complete opposite way that the Democratic Party should pick a nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
2. I make nothing of it because I don't believe it.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
7. Same here.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:41 PM
Feb 2020

The moment that they are reminded of "stop and frisk" Bloomberg's rating will plummet and he will fail to be viable to get delegates. However, Bloomberg will cut into Biden's support and make it more likely for the convention to go to a second or third ballot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
9. Nope. I think Ds need to start coming to terms with Mike being our nominee.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:46 PM
Feb 2020

It’s all about the trend lines. Mike is ascending, and he has the $ and the dynamite adsto keep moving up.

Right now, it’s a bit like different street fair operators trying to convince voters they have the best Tilt-A-Whirl. Then Bloomberg shows up like Disney and says, “or, we could do THIS ride instead.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
13. Heck no.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:51 PM
Feb 2020

Lol, what a joke.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
16. I doubt that Bloomberg will meet the 15% threshold to be viable in most southern states.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020

Once the voters are reminded of his stop and frisk policy his support among African Americans will plummet. Bloomberg has the money to remain in the race and he may drain support from Biden such that no candidate gets the majority of delegates in the first round of the convention, but if the numbers are relatively close then I believe that they will pick Biden over either Bernie or Bloomberg.

Most of my friends on Facebook in Austin and Dallas consider Bloomberg's candidacy to be a joke and will not vote for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
18. Jason Johnson reported on Am Joy Sunday that black voters are looking seriously at Bloomberg.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:06 PM
Feb 2020

Stop n frisk etc doesn’t matter to them. All they care about is who can beat tRump. There are no other issues.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
21. Jason Johnson is just another pundit.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:12 PM
Feb 2020

I didn't even know who he was until I did a Google search.

Blacks voters may be looking at Bloomberg seriously, but that doesn't mean that they will like or vote for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
42. Another black pundit (female) just echoed Johnson's thoughts on Nicolle's show.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:26 PM
Feb 2020

She said no black voter is not going to vote for Bloomberg due to stop and frisk.

You can ignore the trends all you want, but they’re what they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
24. Jason Johnson has always been anti-Biden. He has his own agenda and does not represent the majority
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

of us African Americans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lulu KC

(2,567 posts)
33. That is smart
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020

I never thought I'd say it, but he is growing on me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
28. I don't need to and I won't! He's not the best first or second choice against Trump.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
10. Yeah
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:47 PM
Feb 2020

I think a lot of African Americans might not be as aware of Bloomberg's relationship with the black community in New York City. Bloomberg is more of an east coast persona. His history regarding "stop and frisk" is not a minor issue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
14. Agree that this Bloomberg run isn't the hail Mary they hope and will go south instead
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:54 PM
Feb 2020

2016 all over again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NedBraden

(53 posts)
37. Agree
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg is spending money everywhere,including polls.

He's a joke.

Any Dem who supports him , well,you have to question if they are or ever really were Dems to begin with.


Where I have lived my entire almost half century, Brooklyn , AA do not like him one bit. Now most of "woke" Brooklyn is from Iowa , I believe is how my borough president put it, and don't understand how bad Bloomberg was for minorities in NYC.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

patphil

(6,182 posts)
3. Bloomberg's ads have been very effective.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:36 PM
Feb 2020

He is definitely gaining ground. I welcome him into the race; he adds another dimension into the mix.
And, his attacks on Trump are quite powerful.
We shall see what he can do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
12. I don't welcome him.He is just a carpetbagger
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:49 PM
Feb 2020

I will never vote for him. He ran as a Republican to become Mayor,. He is little better than Trump. Only, Bloomberg spends his own money, Trump doesn’t. We don’t need another know if all rich business man with a huge ego, running this country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
32. Whomp, whomp, Wisteria. He is little better and will not fare well as the nominee. We don't need
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:42 PM
Feb 2020

him in the Dem race and we don’t need him for the country. Vote blue no matter who, but choose that who wisely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
6. Black voters are pragmatic. If they look for someone other than Biden, it WON'T be Sanders.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
8. He is running constant ads in South Carolina.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:43 PM
Feb 2020

But, Biden can turn this around. Bloomberg is not friends of the Black community.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,415 posts)
17. Whoever is our BEST chance to smash Trump and pull back the Senate will damn well
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:02 PM
Feb 2020

become our friend and fast, Bloomberg included. I have always maintained that Biden is not at all the surest bet, for a number of reasons. Now, I may well be proved wrong, but I certainly am not going to toss Bloomberg out with the bathwater. Go back and take a poll of my fellow blacks in 1994 or 1995 (fellow in a loose sense, as I was born in 1996) whether Biden was a friend after his years of crime billing, gang-banger talk, and drug warmongering. I was not even alive then, but know enough history to say he would not come up with a good score. Shit changes, times change. It changed for Joe with Obama, and it sure as hell can change for Mike if he is the best bet to slay the Trumpian dragon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
40. + tons
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:04 PM
Feb 2020

Important to state what you did.
I was presuming Biden would be our nominee, but because anything can happen during an election run-up I remained undecided with the plan to involve myself when we have our nominee.
Plenty of opposition to Biden from all sorts of people, but the whole turning-Trump's-impeachment-into-an-anti-Biden-campaign seems to have done him much damage even though he doesn't deserve it. The ridiculousness of the early caucuses seems by design as well and I trust none of it including support for Sanders.
I really like Buttigieg, but worry he will be mass attacked if he were to become the nominee. We seem to be held down by deplorables and the media parroting their concerns.
Bloomberg, on the other hand, will be hard to hurt. He doesn't need donors and can fight back.
All bets are off now so buckle up!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
25. You're right - he could care less about us. He proved that as NY Mayor.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:33 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,415 posts)
11. if Pete stumbles, I am going full bore for Bloomberg, he can blow Trump away at so many levels
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:47 PM
Feb 2020

Pair him up with Michele Obama as VP and it is lights out, plus a great shot at taking back the Senate.

Bloomberg will toss in 2, 3 billion USD or more to seal the deal at all levels.


Before you all go bonkers on me for suggesting Michelle

I was not the one to recently bring it up in any fashion or manner




Joe Biden says he’d want Michelle Obama to be his running mate

https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/joe-biden-says-hed-want-michelle-obama-to-be-his-running-mate/

Stacey Abrams would rock as well
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
31. I doubt Michelle Obama would come within a light-year of the VP slot.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:41 PM
Feb 2020

I think, and this is just an opinion based on her statements over the past couple years, that she's had more than enough of DC from a political perspective, and all that goes with it, possibly to last a lifetime.

I agree that Bloomberg would be formidable vs. Trump. He's not my favorite, but if one's primary goal is to get rid of Trump, he's looking like perhaps the best option. I think he would appeal to moderates, independents, and perhaps more than a few Never-Trumpers. Combined with a solid VP choice, it might have big-win potential.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
15. If true about Bloomberg and AA voters then he is also
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:58 PM
Feb 2020

taken away from the others as well. Which ain't good for the other candidates. Also, he's pitching for Latino voters as well. Antonio Villaraigosa (ex-mayor of Los Angeles) has endorsed him and recently they were both in Compton, California (both Latino and AA).

Money does talk and here's hoping he is sincere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jr1118x

(97 posts)
20. Why not on all primaries
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:10 PM
Feb 2020

Just curious does anyone know why Bloomberg isnt running in SC or some of the other primaries?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
22. I'm pretty sure when people start actually learning about Bloomberg - that's going to dwindle
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:13 PM
Feb 2020

down. I mean, here's just a few things Bloomberg said or policies he wanted:







And:

Bloomberg wanted to fingerprint poor people: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/08/16/bloombergs-public-housing-fingerprinting-idea-stuns-infuriates-residents/




Or when he banned food donations to homeless shelters:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bloomberg-bans-food-donat_n_1367542

Yeah, there's a lot people are going to learn about Bloomberg -- and I think if Biden's still in it - he will see black voters moving back into his column. Bloomberg is no one's savior.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
26. For those already willing to switch to Bloomberg, know that he will never win a GE with this baggage
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
23. Biden is toast.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:28 PM
Feb 2020

Without African American support, he's done. Finished.

In fact, it's impossible for any Democrat to win the nomination without the African American vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
29. So is Sanders if Bloomberg takes over the AA + Latino voters . .
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
34. Yep. I cannot understand how these candidates did not cultivate African American support
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:49 PM
Feb 2020

since 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
27. He is blasting the tv ad every 20 sec that's how's he's doing it
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:36 PM
Feb 2020

There's at least 3 ad per 5 minutes and hrs targeting the south with ads and money.
He will buy his way into the Dem nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,219 posts)
30. Bloomberg is working hard to insure no one gets sufficient delegates by the convention, and then I
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:40 PM
Feb 2020

believe it will get quite ugly

Way to go Bloomberg, your entry might just be what trump needs for another 4 years

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
35. Uh ohhhh... time to pull the emergency shoot?!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:49 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
36. Anti gun policies /he has put in a lot of cash at that . This endorsement is close to home for me
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:53 PM
Feb 2020

and sort of caught me off guard . But I wrote previously here when he chose the 2nddist /R Kelly as his Chicago campaign stop that was not ordinary either ...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2020/1/21/21075945/bobby-rush-endorses-mike-bloomberg

He tapped Bobby Rush, 1st dist IL to be a national campaign co-chair 👀
Rush told the Chicago Sun-Times he was impressed by Bloomberg’s approach to the “economic discrimination in the black community.


Rush potentially helps Bloomberg because he is a prominent African American elected official. And Rush’s congressional district historically generates a heavy Democratic vote. So much so that the district has eight presidential delegates, with delegates apportioned according to the Democratic vote turnout.

In the 18 Illinois congressional districts, the number of elected delegates range from three to eight. When Bloomberg brought his campaign to Chicago for the first time a few weeks ago, it was in the 2nd Congressional District, which is allotted seven delegates.

Bloomberg said in a statement, Rush “has dedicated his life to building a more open, inclusive, equitable, just and prosperous America — as a civil rights activist, pastor, and leader in Congress, where he has been a force for change on issues we both feel passionately about, including health care, gun violence, and poverty
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To me he is like the wiz of oz that he has all those ads but I don’t know who is the person behind the ads
Also it was said he entered to stop warren /sanders but he seems to have hurt Biden the most imo
, so he is accumulating voters at someone’s expense either way

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
38. Did he mention his stop and frisk policy to target black people? Bloomberg will never win Chicago.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:58 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
39. He'll easily beat Trump in Chicago.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
41. Bloomberg defended "stop and frisk" and laughed at an apology tour until....
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:12 PM
Feb 2020

you guessed it.

I do not respect people like this. A change of heart is one thing, appearing to change for political expedience is another. Makes me sick, frankly.

Snip—————————————

Michael Bloomberg Pushed ‘Stop-and-Frisk’ Policing. Now He’s Apologizing.

Ahead of a possible Democratic run for president, the former mayor of New York City reversed himself before an important party constituency: black voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-speech.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happyhippychick

(8,379 posts)
43. Bloomberg became mayor of one of the largest and most liberal cities in the US
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

He will be accepted by moderates and liberals and could offer a viable alternative to the Republicans who voted for Trump but can't stand him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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