LOL but she must be doing something right.

Just like your post, too thoughtful to be considered by most Americans.

-Laelth

And do it backwards in high heels😚

meanwhile keeping a house, husband and children impeccable and well behaved

But I don’t remember all the details. I just remember thinking that someone who would treat a subordinate that way has no business being POTUS.

Our leaders should treat everyone with dignity and respect.

Some anonymous staffers said she berated and humiliated them.

Others said she was one of the best bosses they ever had.

They had to even come and talk to her about that.

... about our Dem presidents being hard on their staffs, or even GOP presidents. Not since LBJ. But I wonder if that's just because it's not something worth talking about. I bet they all lost their tempers sometimes. But if it's a woman, it's worth talking about. I'm happy to give her a break on this particular defect, if, indeed, it is a defect.

She had barely any debate time. She was stuck in Washington while her moderate lane opponents had Iowa to themselves.

Now there are less, and the more time she gets the more people like her.

I, too, am getting very discouraged about Warren, who likewise is not getting her share of coverage. The media is obsessed with the three Bs at the moment, the boys club.

She's really an exceptional candidate. Smart, experienced, grounded and tough. I just don't think she was getting enough press. I think Trump would not want to face her at all. If she becomes a threat he'll surely start investigations.

Biden, Buttigiieg, Bernie, and Bloomberg.

Notice how she has started rising in the polls now the Biden and Warren are slipping.

And nobody and I mean nobody knows what will happen next. Just because the media likes to put that out there we cannot let that creep into our thinking. Remember they will keep this a horse race to keep their owners happy. So don't give up on your candidate.

Personally, I find it grating. I admit that this is a petty objection. I would be honored to have her serve as my President, but I do find her voice to be a serious turn-off, and I doubt I am alone in this.



-Laelth

So there's that...

-Laelth

I want to jam forks in my ears sometimes when I am surrounded by their voices. It's unpleasant.
There's that and the fact you can't get a damn decent bagel.

"WisCANson."

As John Kasich. This turns off people from getting to know someone. Also the half squint is distracting.

Before I get flamed, it is very important...the optics...not for how they lead or who they are. But to kick it off long enough to have people listen to you.

There is at least one man running whose voice is actually grating. But that never gets mentioned, does it?

I said nothing about her sex or gender. For the record, I am not fond of Bernie's voice either.

Mayor Pete's voice, I might add, is smooth as silk.

-Laelth

It's not for men. Remember all the pundits, etc who insulted HRC's voice - while she was running against Sanders, then Trump?

We should not be criticizing our candidates for something they cannot control. Her voice is her voice.

Honestly, I do. Mea culpa.

-Laelth

the name recognition challenge, but if she comes in second or third in NH things could open up for her. She is probably my first choice right now.

She supports a range of policies in the moderate range, but nothing is uniquely hers...

in charge of the Democratic policy committee. She really cannot focus on an issue she has to focus on all issues.

One of the reasons her policy is more of a complex web of interrelated actions over multiple policy areas, with lots of alternatives baked in.

If yes, totally from the optics/demeanor point of view. Lots will say that shouldn't happen. I say it shouldn't but it does. People assume all Dems Ok, and pick on personality intangibles.

IMHO, she lacks wit. Her jokes are very not funny corny. And, she is constantly bragging about herself. This always comes off bad to me. If you see great winning politicians, they rarely do that.

PS. Also think the way she treats her staff may be a lot worse than you are making it out to be - if you read the stories.

... you mention are exactly the things that attract me (along with intelligence, energy, etc.). I love her wit. Comfortably corny. I was SO happy that she tells everyone why they should vote for her. Let's not be subtle in a crowd of 20... or 8. Go for it, Amy! I can live with her being an aggresive boss. No one cared about LBJ, et. al. I'm confident her passions are in our behalf, not for self advancement.

lenses. And what the line is between agressive bosses and worse is different for all. For me, it's hard to imagine that all the staff that quit couldn't all be too lazy to rise to her challenges.

That said, she may actually do well in the south. I can't see her getting top spots in the more left leaning states, can you? But anything could happen.

Thinking more and more that Bloomberg will take it in the end.

No one has ever won the nomination without coming in first or second in NH...just heard that on CNN.

I wish people would stop the hand wringing and alarmist posts and let the democratic process take it's course. Whatever that means for candidate A, candidate B, candidate C, etc. will eventually reveal itself.

I don't know why I even click on posts in the Democratic Primaries forum. It's a swamp of division and utter bullshit. This will be my last post here.

Sorry, just had to vent. Nothing personal LAS14.

Analyze something someone ALWAYS calls it nervous hand wringing?

Nothing personal, I have just always thought it rude and squelching.

Though I wasn't aware of this "eating with a comb" thing.

One of the few things that freaks me out is eating with a non-clean item.

I'm now reconsidering her...

/s

According to the story.

It was a staff joke until the article. I actually know and grew up with several of her former staffers.

Yes the staff washed the dishes. After her constituent Thursday brunches.
Yes a binder slid off the desk after she threw it down.

She has a temper. But she only lets it out when she feels safe. My friends took it more of a badge of honor that she let it show when she was around. But others they tell me didn't.

She had a very high rate of poaching. The Obama administration alone pull something like 125% of her staff. She also has a higher rate of first time staffers the most.

It is a real story just not as bad or as clear as made out to be. But then politics is not beanbag.

But I think the fact that she almost disappears in a way is actually an advantage. She has somehow escaped all the Mommy-issue stuff that gets dumped on women who are leaders. I've never heard anyone complain about her voice, which is where the misogyny really shows.

Just that one thing about being cranky with staff--using the fork was part of it. Mommy issues.

The fact that she somehow disappears would make it possible to come in quietly and strategically as VP with someone who has the real chance of winning against Trump--and bingo. Double win.

Maybe she did throw a binder at someone, and maybe she did eat salad with a comb (hope she washed it first...). LBJ did a lot worse.

She has this "just get-it-done" attitude that we need these days. And she has worked across the table for years with a good legislative record.

Now that the field is thinning, the quiet one with serious resolve is getting noticed, so lets see if she can keep it up. The only serious check to her rise seems to be Bloomberg, who's a serious check to everyone else, too.

Mike and Amy-- such a thought...

I think she's a great candidate.


She can easily gain center support, she is a woman which means she is not just playing to the audience ( like Bloomberg is doing now) she is well spoken, she doesn't come from a rich family, she understands the struggles of the average American.

Not sure why she been in the shadows so long.

As far as the billionaire picking her as VP .....GFO with that BS.

She shouldn't be second to any billionaire. Especially one with a covered up history of misogyny bordering on the illegal.


I'm hoping she emerges from NH with a strong showing.

I suppose, if one were to nitpick. All she has is a breadth and depth of policy knowledge certainly befitting a president, empathy for fellow human beings, and a working knowledge of how policy actually gets enacted in DC. All that is coupled with a high degree of education and some midwestern humility. Competition, recognition, maybe a touch of gender are what's been holding her back IMO, but if she gets a good result tomorrow (3rd or higher) maybe she can start to mount an actual challenge.

Admittedly, she has that in spades.

-Laelth

That is inspiring to me. Certainly after the dumpster fire Trump is.

Sure it does.

was the first time Americans got a good look at her. Her star may rise from here. I was very impressed with her.

She gets drowned out on a crowded stage.

Also, when you think about who the pundits consist of, it's east coasters and maybe west coasters. The "Minnesota nice" thing doesn't necessarily appeal to us.

If the field were to narrow between her and 1 other candidate, I think people would finally "see" her.

If you think I’m doing someone else’s dirty work and providing negatives, you are out of your mind.
Why give trolls dirt? No thank you!

She’s competent, smart, empathetic, capable. NO NEGATIVES.

As for eating her salad with her comb? Damn RESOURCEFUL AND GRITTY. My kind of girl!
LOVE IT!
(And why wouldn’t she ask the aide to clean it? Who wants a comb covered in salad stuff?)

Yup, my neighborhood Dems like her lots!

No negatives! Especially compared to the BIG ORANGE ZERO.

makes me think that she has some vengeance/temper issues. Sure, not on the scale of IMPOTUS, but enough to have her down on my list. I, too, wish Warren was doing better.

Interesting to hear about her staff turnover, doesn't surprise me.

She is supportive for the most part and has NEVER DISPLAYED ONE IOTA of anger.

Never.

Not once.

Others have said more and harsher. She is as even tempered as it gets.

At first I thought it was just her being uncomfortable...I know lots of people who kind of giggle when they are nervous, but it has happened each time she attacked people in the debate.

Remember, we are all just voters who are trying to size up the candidates based on our own impressions and opinions. There is no reason to imply that someone is using "bullpucky", which I assume is a bad thing.

She's not bombastic. She didn't have long term name recognition. She's not a vicious prosecutor type in the senate. She's not considered far left.

So basically anything that would have given a jump in the build up, she did not have.

Our primary voters are not particularly good handicappers so they predictably devalued Amy's strengths all along, and how incredible she can be in quips and short sound bytes. Her listening ability is superior to anyone in our field and IMO it is not particularly close. She can form a response on the fly instead of canned garbage.

Only when it has been whittled to a smaller field have her strengths come to the forefront, but by this time there are already too many stubborn people who are insistent on backing someone with built-in general elections negatives. That describes basically everyone ahead of Amy.