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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:53 PM Feb 2020

Amy Klobuchar "troubled" by having democratic socialist Sanders atop ticket

Democratic presidential hopeful Amy Klobuchar says she's "troubled" by the thought that a democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders, could be at the top of the Democratic Party ticket in November and instead believes the key to unseating President Trump is an unifying candidate who has a proven track record.

In an interview with CBS News' Ed O'Keefe aboard her campaign bus following an event in Keene, New Hampshire, Klobuchar was pressed about being the lone candidate on stage at Friday's Democratic primary debate to raise her hand when moderator George Stephanopoulos asked whether anyone was worried about having a democratic socialist for a presidential nominee.

"The question should be why didn't everyone else raise their hand?" the Minnesota senator said. "But they didn't, because people are looking at each other, and it may not be popular, and you're going to anger some people, but I believe in leading and doing what you think is right, and that's why I raised my hand, because I am troubled by having a socialist lead our ticket."

The question struck at the heart of tensions within the Democratic party and concerns about whether Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist and 2020 front-runner, can defeat Mr. Trump in November.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amy-klobuchar-bernie-sanders-troubled-democratic-socialist-democratic-ticket/

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Amy Klobuchar "troubled" by having democratic socialist Sanders atop ticket (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 OP
Nothing she said was wrong. squirecam Feb 2020 #1
And I agree with her. TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #2
I'm troubled by having a "back to normal" candidates (Amy/Joe/Pete) on the ticket. Indepatriot Feb 2020 #3
I'm not sure how much you've listened to Pete. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #5
+100000 Celerity Feb 2020 #22
Best way to judge mayor Pete is examine results in South Bend, IN at140 Feb 2020 #46
his history isn't great jr1118x Feb 2020 #47
Trump's election had nothing to do with normal. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #6
Perhaps you missed my quotation marks around "normal"... Indepatriot Feb 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Malmsy Feb 2020 #8
so utterly disingenuous to label Buttigieg a 'back to normal' candidate when he has been amongst Celerity Feb 2020 #21
When I say "back to normal" candidate Indepatriot Feb 2020 #23
pure false framed slurs, loaded code wording included Celerity Feb 2020 #24
Thank you for these facts radical noodle Feb 2020 #36
yw! Celerity Feb 2020 #45
No code words needed. He's made no bones about taking money from anyone. Indepatriot Feb 2020 #48
No one is going to turn away legally given individual donations radical noodle Feb 2020 #54
Yep. Many of the first leaders of Our Revolution quit because Weaver set it up to take ehrnst Feb 2020 #59
The voting base of the party is WOC. ehrnst Feb 2020 #60
Well, the jury is still out on who the "dance partners" are on another candidate: ehrnst Feb 2020 #58
I am troubled that Sanders will lose to Trump, fail to regain the Senate and maybe lose the house... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #27
"Normal"is what brought us Trump? Seriously? mcar Feb 2020 #28
Uh-huh--"Trump is normal". Please proceed. nt Atticus Feb 2020 #38
Russians brought us Trump. We should not strategize around the idea that a more leftist candidate emmaverybo Feb 2020 #57
I'm concerned about anyone who uses a comb to eat their salad atop the ticket. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #4
What an earth shattering issue squirecam Feb 2020 #13
Yes indeed it is an earth shattering issue, can you imagine the outrage if another candidate Autumn Feb 2020 #18
Zounds! mcar Feb 2020 #32
I think it shows ingenuity and thinking outside the box and excellent problem solving skills... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #34
If she finishes third or better - watch out cerebrate2006 Feb 2020 #7
I think that the polls show that she has nothing to worry about. Malmsy Feb 2020 #9
hmmm Cha Feb 2020 #16
We shall see after super Tuesday...people have sounded the alarm...hope it works. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #37
Cool Story, Bro , ! stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #41
I'm more concerned about Chuck Todd listening to 10th place Bennet's winning plans ;) floppyboo Feb 2020 #11
Gotta agree with Amy on this one. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #12
I heard she was "the media's sweetheart" right here Friday night RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #14
Yes, I think that was from a Buttigieg supporter... BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #19
Go Amy Zeus69 Feb 2020 #15
Mahalo Amy! Cha Feb 2020 #17
Of course she is. And her solution is to nominate her instead. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #20
I'm concerned with someone running for president of the midwest Blaukraut Feb 2020 #25
If Amy gets MI, WI, PA squirecam Feb 2020 #30
We will win or lose in the midwest...we lost there in 16 and that is what Trump is going for...so Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #44
She is being honest, and she is absolutely right, and unfortunately what Bloomberg is going to end still_one Feb 2020 #26
Let's see what happens squirecam Feb 2020 #33
I don't think the debates will change the dynamics. However, if Amy places third or better in NH, I still_one Feb 2020 #35
Debates can change race dynamics. squirecam Feb 2020 #40
She's not the only one. dem4decades Feb 2020 #29
nothing wrong evertonfc Feb 2020 #31
No doubt the Socialist Label will be loosely thrown around if that happens, and by proxy, right or still_one Feb 2020 #39
It's things like this that makes me feel like I'd have to hold my nose Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #42
How do you feel about Bloomberg? nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #50
You should be happy because squirecam Feb 2020 #51
good let's go Amy ! stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #43
So am I. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #49
With you Amy. The base is. Five though representing the base allows an Independent socialist krissey Feb 2020 #52
Me, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #53
Hand raised here. oasis Feb 2020 #55
I'm mostly troubled because he cannot win. mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #56
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
1. Nothing she said was wrong.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:57 PM
Feb 2020

Go Amy!

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Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
3. I'm troubled by having a "back to normal" candidates (Amy/Joe/Pete) on the ticket.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:59 PM
Feb 2020

"Normal" is what brought us President Trump. No thanks.

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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
5. I'm not sure how much you've listened to Pete.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:05 PM
Feb 2020

He has repeatedly said there is no going back to "normal" since that's what got us into this mess in the first place.

He wants to change the channel, or turn the page.

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at140

(6,110 posts)
46. Best way to judge mayor Pete is examine results in South Bend, IN
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:56 PM
Feb 2020

That is where he reigned as mayor. That is his main political experience.

Take average family income for example, which is a good yardstick of how well families are doing to provide for their family members. Compare average family income in South Bend versus entire country.

Another thing to look at is how the blacks in South Bend rate the mayor.
Blacks are important democratic voter constituency.

Above information is available on many search web sites.

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jr1118x

(97 posts)
47. his history isn't great
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:07 PM
Feb 2020

After the police chief and fire chief incidents, no thanks.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
6. Trump's election had nothing to do with normal.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:06 PM
Feb 2020

It was unprecedented in pretty much every way, from the GOP primaries onward. The assertion that it represents some kind of norm is laughable.

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Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
10. Perhaps you missed my quotation marks around "normal"...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:45 PM
Feb 2020
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Celerity

(43,417 posts)
21. so utterly disingenuous to label Buttigieg a 'back to normal' candidate when he has been amongst
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:54 PM
Feb 2020

the most vocal about saying we cannot go back to the old normal. Biden himself has tried to have a go at him over this very thing, by trying to twist up that concept into some imaginary attack on Obama.

smdh

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Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
23. When I say "back to normal" candidate
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:32 PM
Feb 2020

I'm talking about taking Wall St. money vs. voter contributions. Pete is hip deep in billionaire money, and the last 30 years or so indicates that the billionaires get the lion's share of the consideration from the politicians they finance. That's the "normal" I have no interest in getting back to. "You gotta dance with who brung ya."

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Celerity

(43,417 posts)
24. pure false framed slurs, loaded code wording included
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

you said

Pete is hip deep in billionaire money


Buttiegieg, out of 10's of millions of dollars raised, has taken a total 112,000 USD directly from billionaires

you said

taking Wall St. money vs. voter contributions


these numbers go back to Q3 2019 and before

do the maths, Bernie had 18m in Q2, 25m Q3 (43m), Pete had 25m and 19m (44m)

Warren had 19m and 25m (44m)

BUT 10m USD of that was for a transfer of pre-existing funds and counting all that, only 48% of her total monies before Q3 was from small donors. 10m of Sanders totals has come from transfers of preexisting funds, and when the transfers are added in, even he has only 60% of his total monies from small donors.

Pete was not running in Q1, he officially launched April 14, 2019.

In Q2, when he raised around 25m USD, his average donation was only 84 USD per person, from almost 300,000 individuals, and that was in just his first full quarter of running. His average contribution was 33 USD in Q3.


Big Donors, Small Donors: Pete Buttigieg Has Courted Them All — Successfully

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-fundraising.html

he already had over 400,000 individual donors just from Q2 and before:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-buttigieg-raises-over-24-million-in-second-quarter-of-fundraising/

According to the campaign, the haul came from 294,000 donors — including more than 230,000 new donors — in the second quarter of the year. That means that more than 400,000 Americans have donated to Buttigieg since he began his campaign.


he uses a well balanced fundraising approach, it is ludicrous to say he only courts or receives money from rich donors


Again

The ultimate irony is counting Warren's 10m in account transfers, only 48% of her total monies before Q3 were from small donors. 49% of Buttigieg's monies have come from small donors. 10m of Sanders' totals has come from transfers of preexisting funds, and when the transfers are added in, even he had only 60% of his total monies from small donors prior to Q3. Prior to Q3, Buttigieg had over 400,000 individual donors, and had well over half a million (580,000) individual donors by Q3. His average Q3 donation was 33 USD (per MSNBC today). For comparison, Sanders had an average donor contribution of 27 USD in Q3 (again per MSNBC today.) But hey!, lets all buy into a far left, TYT, JD, etc.-pushed shit-stir tweet using a chop-quote, that Pete is basically only fundraising from the rich, and shits on small donors, lolol.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/Pete-Buttigieg-fundraising.html

Mr. Schmuhl’s memo said more than 580,000 individual donors had contributed to the Buttigieg campaign since it launched in January, placing him well above likely thresholds to compete in future presidential debates. It said the campaign had raised more than $51 million since the beginning of the race, with an average donation of about $40. The memo did not reveal how much cash Mr. Buttigieg had remaining at the end of the third quarter.



finally

some newer numbers, for Q4

Pete Buttigieg raised $24.7 million in the final quarter of 2019, according to an email his campaign sent out Wednesday.

Since entering the race in April, the Democratic presidential contender has hauled in $76 million, the email said, with 733,000 individual donors making up that sum.

Buttigieg received his largest donor share in the fourth quarter alone, with 326,000 people contributing to the campaign.



He is tracking to have over 1.3 to 1.5 million individual donors by the time the primaries end, yet you and the Berner social media attack dogs try to slag him off over 40 people, who gave a combined $112K out of well over 100 million USD

pathetic


and btw

When is Bernie going to disclose his dark money donors to his Our Revolution scheme???



Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid.

A debate over big money in politics has riven the Democratic primary with Sanders and fellow progressive, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, leading the attack on rivals including former Vice President Joe Biden and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who have relied on big-dollar donors.

But while Warren has come under fire for courting wealthy financiers in her past Senate campaigns, Sanders and Our Revolution have largely avoided scrutiny during the primary, even as he has accelerated his criticism of others, among them Biden, for relying on super PACs founded by their allies.

snip

hypocrisy abounds



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radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
36. Thank you for these facts
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:39 PM
Feb 2020

It's sometimes tough to dig these out. It's very close to what I thought, but I had trouble finding the info to back me up.

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Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
48. No code words needed. He's made no bones about taking money from anyone.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020

That's not the candidate who will bring the party back to it's working class roots.

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radical noodle

(8,003 posts)
54. No one is going to turn away legally given individual donations
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:37 AM
Feb 2020

Not even bernie.

Let's talk about Our Revolution:

Today, Common Cause filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) alleging reason to believe that Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization established by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) in 2016 and now supporting his 2020 presidential campaign, violated the federal ‘soft money’ ban. Sen. Sanders has been a longtime critic of super PACs and so-called “Dark Money” groups. The complaint documents that Our Revolution has solicited contributions explicitly to elect Sanders president, received contributions far in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit and spent funds in connection with federal elections, including current voter mobilization efforts supporting Sanders in Iowa.

Under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, an entity directly or indirectly established by a federal candidate or officeholder is not allowed to “solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds in connection with an election for Federal office” unless the “funds are subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements” of federal law.

According to Our Revolution’s tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.


https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
59. Yep. Many of the first leaders of Our Revolution quit because Weaver set it up to take
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:15 AM
Feb 2020

money that they considered to be a violation of the transparency that they believed Sanders stood for.

Politico reported that staff had been unhappy with the way Weaver had managed Sanders’ primary campaign, as well as having concerns over Our Revolution’s 501(c)(4) status. That categorization means it will be able to accept large contributions from anonymous donors.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/fleeing-the-bern-half-of-staff-quit-sanders-legacy-project-before-it-begins
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
60. The voting base of the party is WOC.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:11 PM
Feb 2020

A large portion of which are working class.

So there's that.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
58. Well, the jury is still out on who the "dance partners" are on another candidate:
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:09 AM
Feb 2020
Common Cause Files Complaint Against Pro-Bernie Sanders Group Our Revolution for Violating Soft Money Ban

Under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, an entity directly or indirectly established by a federal candidate or officeholder is not allowed to “solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds in connection with an election for Federal office” unless the “funds are subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements” of federal law.

According to Our Revolution’s tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.


So there's that.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
27. I am troubled that Sanders will lose to Trump, fail to regain the Senate and maybe lose the house...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:29 PM
Feb 2020

Goddess help us then.

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
28. "Normal"is what brought us Trump? Seriously?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:29 PM
Feb 2020

Not voter suppression, Russian hacking and interference, media misogyny and hatred of HRC, Comey, BS voters voting for Dotard, Stein voters.

Just "normal," right?

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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
38. Uh-huh--"Trump is normal". Please proceed. nt
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:42 PM
Feb 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
57. Russians brought us Trump. We should not strategize around the idea that a more leftist candidate
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:07 AM
Feb 2020

would have won. Hillary had forward looking policies. Neither Amy, Joe, or Pete are living in the past. Biden, for one, knows considerably more than Bernie about the geo-political situation all over the world, today, and is much more concerned about it.

Pete, though I am not happy with his tenure as mayor or the roll-out of his plan, does have a vision for righting racial inequities in every area from health to business. He needs, however, AA communities and leader’s input. Biden has numerous policies that are sound and invest a great deal of capital in infrastructure, education, health, and addressing climate change. Amy offers plans with a chance of getting done, again to effect positive change and she would also address our deficit which will affect the next generations as well as infrastructure.

True, many Dems would like a stable, powerful, uniting president like Obama again, to restore our alliances in the world, and to take up where we left off in justice reform issues, police department accountability, gun control, immigration reform, addressing violence against women, gay rights, building our economy, expanding healthcare, civil rights...

It is a mindless meme that no candidate but one wearing the progressive label wants progress, is for positive change on the domestic and international front.

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Autumn

(45,108 posts)
4. I'm concerned about anyone who uses a comb to eat their salad atop the ticket. nt
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:01 PM
Feb 2020
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
13. What an earth shattering issue
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:13 PM
Feb 2020

She should be arrested for such a travesty.

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Autumn

(45,108 posts)
18. Yes indeed it is an earth shattering issue, can you imagine the outrage if another candidate
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:47 PM
Feb 2020

ate their salad with a comb? Oh well. So many thing are so deeply troubling.


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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
34. I think it shows ingenuity and thinking outside the box and excellent problem solving skills...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:32 PM
Feb 2020

unlike some who have a canned speech over and over again...for several years now. And I am trouble by those who had their kids on their payroll...

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cerebrate2006

(32 posts)
7. If she finishes third or better - watch out
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:08 PM
Feb 2020

Amy is a brilliant Yale undergrad and U of Chicago law school graduate who is progressive on every issue and a consistently huge winner in the Midwest. She has no baggage or weaknesses and can trounce Trump in the General. What more can you ask for - a free lunch I guess - she doesn’t offer any of those but I’m OK with that

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Malmsy

(297 posts)
9. I think that the polls show that she has nothing to worry about.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:11 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie is doing great.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
37. We shall see after super Tuesday...people have sounded the alarm...hope it works.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:40 PM
Feb 2020

I want to win.

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stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
41. Cool Story, Bro , !
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:44 PM
Feb 2020
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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. I'm more concerned about Chuck Todd listening to 10th place Bennet's winning plans ;)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:49 PM
Feb 2020
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comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
12. Gotta agree with Amy on this one.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:03 PM
Feb 2020

OT but it seems to me Amy is the candidate most ignored by the press. If any of them has a real beef with the coverage it's Amy.

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RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
14. I heard she was "the media's sweetheart" right here Friday night
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:18 PM
Feb 2020

After being ignored for months.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,054 posts)
19. Yes, I think that was from a Buttigieg supporter...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:49 PM
Feb 2020

the irony...

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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. Of course she is. And her solution is to nominate her instead.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:50 PM
Feb 2020

After all, this is a campaign.

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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
25. I'm concerned with someone running for president of the midwest
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:26 PM
Feb 2020

Listening to Amy, you'd think that the heartland is all that matters.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
30. If Amy gets MI, WI, PA
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:30 PM
Feb 2020

Then that’s the presidency.

California and the northeast will vote for a wet sock over Trump.

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Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
44. We will win or lose in the midwest...we lost there in 16 and that is what Trump is going for...so
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:50 PM
Feb 2020

really for the election the heartland is all that matters...now the issue I have with Sanders is not only will he not win in the mid west, he may lose states like Virginia, Delaware and the House. I think Warren with the proper VP and moving to the middle a bit might win...but I still believe Biden is the best candidate and I like Amy for VP...I like Amy period.

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still_one

(92,222 posts)
26. She is being honest, and she is absolutely right, and unfortunately what Bloomberg is going to end
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:28 PM
Feb 2020

up doing, is making that even more possible


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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
33. Let's see what happens
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020

When Bloomberg has to debate.

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still_one

(92,222 posts)
35. I don't think the debates will change the dynamics. However, if Amy places third or better in NH, I
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:38 PM
Feb 2020

will admit I am wrong about the debates


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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
31. nothing wrong
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:30 PM
Feb 2020

with being troubled. Many of us are. We will support Bernie but many of us think He will have difficult time in EC. No question He will he get more votes. I think we will cost us House seats too

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still_one

(92,222 posts)
39. No doubt the Socialist Label will be loosely thrown around if that happens, and by proxy, right or
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:42 PM
Feb 2020

wrong, the Democratic Party will be associated with that label, and it will also impact the Congressional seats


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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
42. It's things like this that makes me feel like I'd have to hold my nose
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:44 PM
Feb 2020

and vote for her if she gets the nomination.

I don't have a lot against her (other than I wish she were more to the left), but she dismisses a large portion of us that are on the left side of the party, I don't get what her game is. This isn't have you get people to want to vote for you that don't already agree with you. Oh, I'll vote for her if she is the nominee, but this kind of attitude is going to make a lot of people not happy having to vote for her.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
50. How do you feel about Bloomberg? nt
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:22 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
51. You should be happy because
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:24 AM
Feb 2020

She is telling you the truth rather than telling you what you want to hear.

She was the only one honest enough to raise her hand when asked the question.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
52. With you Amy. The base is. Five though representing the base allows an Independent socialist
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:24 AM
Feb 2020

to be at the top of the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

oasis

(49,389 posts)
55. Hand raised here.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:40 AM
Feb 2020
disregard the smile.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
56. I'm mostly troubled because he cannot win.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:41 AM
Feb 2020

But also ... he's surrounded by a bunch of assholes in his campaign and on his jock ... people like Turner and Jimmy Dore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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