Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBTRTN New Hampshire Preview and Projection: Bernie Will Win a Home Game, Pete Makes it Close
Born To Run The Numbers with its projection for the New Hampshire primary and the implications:
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2020/02/btrtn-new-hampshire-preview-and.html
"Bernie Sanders is expected to win (he has led outright in 28 out of 29 polls here since mid-January and was tied with Biden in the other). Anything less, particularly in New Hampshire, a neighboring state to his Vermont home, would be viewed as a shocking outcome. He needs to hold off Pete Buttigieg, who is charging fast off his Iowa half win.
"Our BTRTN prediction is that Bernie Sanders will win New Hampshire by a material margin (~+5 points) over Pete Buttigieg, with Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar bunch up well behind Buttigieg. Its very hard to determine the order of 3-4-5, but the polls are showing Warren, Biden, and then Klobuchar so we will stick to that...
"This outcome would be very good for Bernie, perfectly acceptable for Pete, barely passable for Warren and a problem for Biden two fourth place finishes. Biden and Klobuchar both would be showing weaker results than Iowa, by a few percentage points -- but Klobuchar might still hang in on the theory that Biden is more clearly in decline, given his long frontrunner status, whereas she is arguably on the rise from a month ago. With no absolutely clear leader after the first two contests, Bloomberg and Steyer remain in the hunt. The rest should be gone."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)They have some work to do to make up for that. Predicted Biden in a solid 2nd place.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tgards79
(1,415 posts)Yes, we have some work to do!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)The 2016 election proves it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)So dead wrong.
Why did nobody see buttigieg coming? I'm baffled by the whole thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)David Binder, who's a bit of a non-traditional pollster, had Buttigieg ahead in his final poll on 1/31.
The problem with polling a caucus, of course, is that it only accounts for the first ballot. Most, if not all, of the pollsters don't even consider movement of supporters of non-viable candidates and the like. Some covered stuff like first-choice/second-choice, but I can't recall any of them predicting post-move totals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tgards79
(1,415 posts)You have to invest much more time in a caucus, and so it is harder to determine who is a "likely caucus voter."
And then the threshold and second round problem. We predicted final totals, assuming Pete, at the 15% level, could get shut out in up to 50% of the precincts. Wrong!
Very hard!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Of course, turnout was also somewhat lower than expected, which further complicated predictions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tgards79
(1,415 posts)To be fair, the polls were clear: Sanders #1, Biden #2, and Biden had been a steady 20% in Iowa for a while. Pete was at 16%, which seemed to mean that he could be shut out in as many as 50% of the precincts, given the 15% threshold.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
judeling
(1,086 posts)CW had the Impeachment Trial hurting the Senators and helping Buttigieg and Biden. That was half right because they didn't account for the battering that Biden would take in the process. It was all BS and people knew it, but it was to much like the Damn EMails. So the Biden collapse was masked by the natural rally effect of firm support of a candidate under attack that was actually eroding.
The other thing that the polls missed because there weren't enough of them. Was how much the undecided vote increased.
I wish the data was easier to get, but what I have looked at so far indicates that For Klobuchar and Warren in particular showed their strongest support in the places where their campaigns managed to get to in the days during the trial. I don't have a full dataset but that appears to be a solid trend. Some of that will be of course campaigns focusing on where they were strong, but that is part of the problem they had to rush in and play defense. But it looks like they just didn't get the chance to make the final pitch and rally their troops.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,173 posts)Bordering state doesn't matter at all to NH residents. I lived there.
Just look at Elizabeth Warren's current status given her borderstate state. In fact, given all the MA transplants to southern NH, it is stunning that Elizabeth Warren is not doing better.
My point is that Bernie is earning it. And he has to protect it from other challengers like Mayor Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided