socialist, and the Biden supporters who love now to promote these articles will be very disappointed and fighting tooth and nail to defend Biden when he is called a socialist and, as you said, a communist by the con and his band of crooks.

So go ahead and continue labeling your own Democratic party as "Socialist", it will play beautiful during the campaign for republicans.

See the difference?

You stopped before the part where anyone who gives a shit about teh socialisms ignores Joe Biden's response and calls him a pinko socialist atheist abortionist anyway.

Not sure where you got it from, but anyway. Sanders has been explaining, and comparing his agenda with that of the Scandinavian countries, those countries ARE NOT socialists, they are "Social-Democratic" countries, they run a "Regulated Capitalism" where abuse by politicians and corporations is not allowed, where the elite pay their right share of taxes, and those taxes are put back into the system to pay for social programs that benefit the citizens of those countries.

Have you ever wondered how Europeans can escape for more than a month to watch a World Cup?, not a worry, they are there enjoying themselves. A friend of mine who lives in France ones told me that she was so angry that her vacation always felt short by a week from her kids' vacation, so I asked her "how is that?", she said, "well, my vacation is two months and two weeks and theirs is two months and three weeks.", so I said, "gee, that must be tough, my vacation is only two weeks for the entire year." How can they do that? Because they don't have to worry about things they should not be worrying about, their money actually buys more than we do here in the USA.

This rejection about what Sanders and Warren are proposing is, in my view, nuts. These are ideas that will benefit all of the citizens of the USA, not just a few, which is what republicans always do, they only benefit the elite who actually do not need it and screw everyone else. It is time for the USA to make radical changes in its government, taxes, social programs, it is time to regulate capitalism to get rid of the inequality that exists today, not by giving things away, that is not what Sanders and Warren are proposing, but by giving people a chance to better themselves, by leveling the playing field, why is that so hard to understand?

This meme that "we are not a socialist nation" is one that only benefits the elite and corrupt politicians...sure, "we are a nation who loves to punish ourselves, who wants more inequality, who wants the very rich to buy bigger boats, more vacation homes, more expensive cars because we love to sit at the beach and watch them on their boats, the joy we get when we see an Alpha Romeo drive by us while waiting for the bus, and how I enjoy watching those vacation homes from the Internet, it just makes my heart sing, and of course let us not forget how much I love my expensive private insurance."

The reality is, they do reject it. Doesn't matter what "Democratic Socialism" means to Sanders, or what policies Scandinavian countries have. Sanders is self-identified as a Socialist, with a Socialist political history, and voters don't like the label. That will come back to haunt him if he's the nominee.

That seems to be the real question.

he is a Socialist. Joe is not

or any of the other candidates running or we could be in trouble.

your emoticon.

he's a FAR LEFT socialist who's not even a Democrat, he's using the Democratic Party to further his ambitions.

Stop this socialist stuff, it only comes from the Biden supporters now, and how about the socialism to the very rich? GM and other corporation getting "socialist" breaks on taxes and other perks? How about the Tax Cuts for millionaires? That is not socialism?

Please stop this, it always comes from the Biden side, but Biden himself has been part of the socialism that big corporations enjoy today, we are only shooting ourselves on the foot by carrying out these republican talking points.

And if USA citizens will rather vote for a con like trump than what they perceive to be a "Socialist", even though 90% of them don't understand what "Socialism" is, then don't complain when you get four more years of the horrible con, when all your "socialist" services like "Social Security", "Medicaid", "Medicare", "ACA" that so many of you enjoy today are removed and now you have to struggle, and some die because you no longer have the ability to care for yourself as those "Socialist" services you enjoyed are finally gone...Hooray, you have managed to defeat "Socialism", you know, that thing you don't have a clue of what it is, but sounds "horrendous", and congratulations, thanks to the elimination of those horrible socialist services, corporations and the rich have been able to expand on their socialist benefits, their taxes have been cut even more, all corporations have been exempt of any taxes, congratulations, you have done it, you got rid of "Socialism".

What a bunch of bull those republican talking points in the article.

If Sanders gets nominated, we are going to get crushed, IMO.

Elizabeth Warren has already been labeled as a socialist, and Obama was labeled as a socialist. Lets stop pretending this is exclusive to Sanders, we are only hurting ourselves.

What we should be doing instead is explaining that NONE of the Democratic candidates are socialists, they promote progressive ideas that include Democracy, Regulated Capitalism, and Social Programs that benefit everyone, such as "Universal Healthcare", "Free Education". Democrats must also bring to light the socialism that exists for the elites and the corporations, how they benefit from socialist tax cuts, and other socialist benefits that save them a ton of money.

We need to stop allowing republican talking points to dominate our conversation and to divide us by attacking our own.

Here is an article from 2012:
"Is Obama a socialist?"
[link:https://www.cnbc.com/id/47678760|

"Is President Obama really a Socialist?" - 2012
[link:https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/12/20/is-president-obama-really-a-socialist-lets-analyze-obamanomics/|

"Rick Perry says Obama is a Socialist" - 2012
[link:https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jan/08/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-barack-obama-socialist/|

So tell me now, is this exclusive to Sanders?

When Obama run it stuck to him, but he was too popular for people to give a damn, and lets face it, even though most people are ignorant about what socialism is, they act more from passion than knowledge, and Obama was a very popular candidate.

No, it sticks the same to all, it really depends how the candidate rebuffs the attacks.

and Biden will be seen as the closest to Obama. It won't stick to Bloomberg at all as he's quite obviously a capitalist and very good at being a capitalist. It won't stick to everyone the same.

Sanders or Warren will have to learn to defuse it and turn it against republicans, which is not difficult to do, they are both doing it already by talking about "elite socialism". I am undecided, but I am not worried about any of our candidates, I am more worried about the bickering between the supporters of each candidate, I want it to stop.

IBM had a great sales rule, one which all sales people had to abide by. IBM always told its sales force they would never bad talk any of the competition, they were actually supposed to outline their good points, and then outline IBM products good points and why they exceeded the benefits of the already good points of the competition. We seem to be going at it all wrong here, we are bad talking our own candidates to try to make our candidate look better, and that is the wrong strategy, I wish it would stop.

The republican propaganda machine will take care of bad talking our candidates, the con has more baggage than all our candidates combined, same with republican senators, and that is where we need to put our effort. Lets be real, no one is going to convince anyone who has already committed to support a candidate to change by bad talking their candidate, on the contrary, you are just going to make them very upset.

... the again, he is not a Democrat.

Than Warren and Bernie.

Bernie - zero. Bloomberg - Zero.

As I just posted in another similar thread, when you dig into the the numbers in the poll, you'll find that the majority of REPUBLICANS will not consider voting for a Socialist. The majority of Dems and Independents WOULD. And those Republicans who won't consider a socialist are unlikely to be voting for ANY Dem.

If he is our candidate, Trump will run that video of Sanders saying the four words "I am a socialist" over and over and over and over...

Regardless of Bernie's or Trump's positions, enough of America is not going to vote for a man who has said "I am a socialist" to put Trump - who, by his love of communist dictators like Kim Jong Un and his purges, is the closest thing to an actual revolutionary socialist as exists in this election - back in the White House.

amirite?

and he had never referred to himself as a Socialist, let along been a member of the Socialist Workers Party.

Everyone says "no socialism!" But, really, what you don't want is corporate socialism. That's what we have now. We give the corporations all this leverage, and the average citizen suffers. The tax breaks are given to the corporations. The average citizen pays more in taxes percentage-wise than the corporations pay. We need socialism for the people. Not to help the corporations. How many decades do we need to figure out that trickle-down economics just doesn't work for the regular citizen?

These articles are being put out there to divide us and ignore the reality that you have exposed here. Thank you.

Beating Trump is going to be hard enough. Why add fuel to the fire?

The main thing is to beat Trump. Once we have that accomplished, plus winning the Senate and maintaining a majority in the House, then we can consider things like Medicare 4 all.

He is a progressive who understands that Democracy, Regulated Capitalism, and Social programs that benefit the citizens is what will, in fact, make this country truly great.

He has made two mistakes about this socialist stuff, you pointed to one, and the other was, I believe, during the 2016 election when he was asked about it and he said "if you think healthcare for all, and free education are socialist then sure, call me a socialist", but that doesn't make him a socialist and neither that video from 1989. That 2016 answer was a stupid answer, a reactive answer that now he needs to fix.

It is funny how when people bring the Anita Hill fiasco where Biden did not act accordingly to Democratic principles, and when the busing issue that Kamala Harris brought up during the debates, Biden's supporters jump at it saying "that was a long time ago, he has changed his views about it, and with Anita Hill, blah, blah, blah", but bring that Sanders video up any time you can because Sanders is not allowed to have changed in 31 years since he said that.

I repeat, we are only hurting ourselves by bickering about our candidates, and the repubs are loving it. We have incredibly fantastic candidates, all of them are worthy of the Presidency, so lets stop the bickering among us and lets start promoting memes that hurt the con and the thugs in the Senate.

No, it's not "bickering" it's getting to the truth... it's vetting. No, they're not all "incredibly fantastic"... that's what this is all about, finding out who's "incredible" and who's simply not-credible. I want to see an "incredible" DEMOCRAT nominated to be our country's leader and the standard-bearer of our great party. It's very clear to me that a SOCIALIST who continually expresses the greatest level of contempt for our party is NOT the person to lead it. I simply cannot support anyone who denigrates the party and tells divisive lies that our party is "the party of the elite" or "the party of the one-percent" (everyone knows that's not true.)

I do not consider someone to be "incredibly fantastic" if they proclaim the Democratic party to be "corrupt" and "feeble" and "ideologically bankrupt" and "intellectually bankrupt". Those lies aren't going to motivate people to join the party or volunteer or donate or run.

It's not "progressive" to stubbornly stick to a "no compromise" philosophy for the sole purpose of being able to brag and boast about how one didn't compromise. Yet, in doing that... in FAILING to find common ground and mutual interests... in FAILING to accept a little less if the opposition would do the same... because of someone's PRIDE, we should accept NOTHING?? That's not progress. There's nothing progressive about that at all. In fact, it's simply maintaining the "status quo" that we hear so many "progressives" complain about. (Oh that evil incrementalism, eh? Better to have nothing at all, eh? Lord.)

What good purpose does it serve for anyone to loudly proclaim that "there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP"... WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT?!! That type of negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Here's the thing... when any candidate continually refers the the Democratic party as a "failure" or suggests that the party "focuses too much on Diversity"... then that person has forever disqualified himself (or herself, whatever) from being the party's leader. It's well know which candidate, and his (or her) surrogates have advocated in no uncertain terms that the Democratic party must be "destroyed to be rebuilt".

Namaste.

They painted Obama as a socialist for 8 years.

Pence has already painted Biden as a socialist. (link)

McConnell called statehood for DC and Puerto Rico socialist. (link)

Right wing rag Washington Times has labeled Buttigieg a socialist. (link)

If Joe The Plumber got the nomination, they'd paint him as a socialist.

Don't let them frame the discussion, we all already know how they're going to do it, and it's starting to be a failing strategy for them.

Has never stuck. It would with Bernie

To the far right, and even right-ish voters out there, *everyone* on the left has is a socialist. The tea party and right wing news and pundits (Rush Limbaugh, Fox News talking heads like Hannity, Varney, and Carlson, Breitbart, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, etc...) have poisoned the well so thoroughly that no one even knows what socialism is any more. Bernie has declared himself a socialist by the American bizarro definition that socialism is "whenever the government does something" because that's how people understand it now.

It stuck to Obama, there's no reason to believe it won't stick to Biden.

Please, no one ever votes for a VP. By your account then people voted for Biden when Obama run for president.

Here is Henry Wallace:

Henry Agard Wallace was an American politician, journalist, and farmer who served as the 11th U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, the 33rd vice president of the United States, and the 10th U.S. Secretary of Commerce. He was also the presidential nominee of the left-wing Progressive Party in the 1948 election.

He almost sounds like a Sanders or a Warren.

Namaste.

Ya, whatev.

Namaste.

Neither is a willingness to be realistic. Neither is compromise. Neither is working to find common ground and mutual benefit.

Pie in the sky promises. Rainbows and sunshine. Unicorns and cotton candy... free ice cream for everyone... well

Namaste.

In fact, quite the opposite.

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for another 4 years. Democrats can not let THIS happen.

trump’s already pushing it. Starting with his big-ass razzle-dazzle all-star Barnum ‘n’ Bailey TV-show “special” that had everything but semi-nude dancing girls and the WWF (which we all used to know as the State of the Union speech).

Who needs Republicans?

Well said.

But it's the best place in the world to be.

Mine is more upbeat and positive.

Reality is just perception. Labels are opinion.

I believe it’s time for you rebuttal.
You always have one.

Voters, especially the ones we need to win back, don't support self-labeled "socialism" and don't support radical changes in Government policy. And nominating a candidate that supports both risks the outcome of the election.

Your turn.

getting to "the best place in the world to be..." But I imagine it's damned comforting on a personal level.

Because that's what they're going to call whoever our nominee is no matter what.

...so I won't even try, but I'll vote for Bernie Sanders in a skinny minute. If he gets the nomination it will be because a majority of democrats did vote for him, making the OP somewhat moot. It's likewise moot if Sanders doesn't win the nomination, so I'm not worried about whether Americans will vote for a self-styled Scandinavian social democrat. We will know by the national convention this summer.

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In addition to the fact that moderate Republicans and disaffected Republicans just might not vote at all and stay home.

I can only say that while I commit to vote for the nominee from the Democratic Party, I am absolutely certain that if Sanders is the nominee that not only will Trump be re-elected, but we will not get the Senate back and many key state races down ballot will be damaged.

God help us....

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TX CD 22 is an open seat with Pete Olson retiring. The DCCC has targeted this seat for flipping. There are 15 candidates in GOP primary including the grandson of GHW Bush. Another candidate, Kathleen Wall, is running in the GOP primary and she spent $6 million in 2018 running in GOP primary for TX CD 2 and did not make GOP primary runoff. I have had Wall block walkers come to my house twice (I live in a very GOP neighborhood) and I have found Wall doorhanger on my door twice now.

Pierce Bush is running against socialism

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Sri Preston Kulkarni is the leading Democrat for this seat (Sri has a GOP type and another person running against him in the Texas Democratic Primary) I texted this ad to Sri and he knew about it already. Sri Preston Kulkarni is a great guy and we need to flip this seat

If sanders is the nominee, we can forget about this seat and we will have Kevin McCarthy as speaker