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MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 01:49 PM Feb 2019

Will Donors Ignore Iowa and New Hampshire in 2020?

I think they just might. I suspect that most people are going to shrug off those early indicators, since so much is riding on Super Tuesday, just a month later. With California, Minnesota, and other states jumping on the Super Tuesday Primary Bandwagon, it seems to me that New Hampshire and Iowa matter much less in 2020.

New Hampshire, because it's a small state and likely to support a more or less local favorite. Iowa, because it's a caucus state and didn't help much in the 2016 primary to sort out the front-runners.

In 2020, Minnesota is likely to represent the Midwest, with California representing, well, its own enormous self. The total number of convention delegates that will come out of the Super Tuesday primaries is going to be an excellent indication of who the top leaders will be.

So, if I were a primary candidate, I'd be ignoring Iowa and New Hampshire, pretty much, and spending all of the early money I could come up with in Super Tuesday states, strategically selecting states where I might do well.

Everything is about to be turned upside down. The old politics is running out of time. There's a new political reality that is about to make itself very apparent in 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Will Donors Ignore Iowa and New Hampshire in 2020? (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2019 OP
No matter how unrepresentative they are they are first so comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #1
I agree leftofcool Feb 2019 #3
Agreed. As I wrote in another thread... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #12
I think it is time to ignore the mostly all white states leftofcool Feb 2019 #2
I would say South Carolina is the big prize of the early states. nycbos Feb 2019 #4
Well, it's only a few days before Super Tuesday MineralMan Feb 2019 #5
The two might be related. nycbos Feb 2019 #8
Hypothetical for sure. It's a year away. MineralMan Feb 2019 #9
Gotta finish in the top 4 in Iowa or New Hampshire -- or the press will finish you 4139 Feb 2019 #6
That's the conventional wisdom, anyhow. MineralMan Feb 2019 #7
Actually, you weren't "very clear" BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #11
The word "Donors" was the subject of the title sentence. MineralMan Feb 2019 #13
The media will declare a front runner(s) after Iowa and New Hampshire Trenzalore Feb 2019 #10
I hope not. Skidmore Feb 2019 #14
It was a question, not advocacy. MineralMan Feb 2019 #15
 

comradebillyboy

(10,177 posts)
1. No matter how unrepresentative they are they are first so
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:02 PM
Feb 2019

they have out-sized influence in the race. Glad to see California move up it's primary however. California is a state that is much more representative of the nation than the tiny, rural non-diverse states. Iowa is also tainted because caucuses are much more undemocratic than primary elections.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Agreed. As I wrote in another thread...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Feb 2019

Iowa and New Hampshire still hold an outsized influence on the narrative and on who will make it to Super Tuesday.

Iowa and New Hampshire are crucial states for certain candidates especially. For Klobuchar, I'd say a very strong showing in Iowa is vital. For the New Englanders and others, New Hampshire will be vital. The underdogs need a strong showing in the first couple of states in order to build momentum and further their support (in terms of funding and votes).

Sanders is unique in that he ran last time. If the 2016 demographic data holds, it won't matter how well he does in IA and NH...except in the sense that he will impact how others do in those states, which - again - will impact who continues to receive funding. Everyone impacts one another in very important ways.

The first couple of states will always be consequential, which is all the more reason to have those states be ones that actually reflect our electorate. And no more caucuses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. I think it is time to ignore the mostly all white states
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

nycbos

(6,039 posts)
4. I would say South Carolina is the big prize of the early states.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:09 PM
Feb 2019

Given it's 50% African American.

When Hillary won by almost 50 points I knew then it was over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
5. Well, it's only a few days before Super Tuesday
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:22 PM
Feb 2019

Keep in mind that I'm talking just about donors in this thread. Not voters. Who will get the donations, I think, won't be determined until Super Tuesday.

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nycbos

(6,039 posts)
8. The two might be related.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

Say Harris wins South Carolina. That could mobilize support amongst grassroots African-American donors.

This all hypothetical at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
9. Hypothetical for sure. It's a year away.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:54 PM
Feb 2019

In the meantime, people are going to jump in, jump out, and jump through whatever hoops they can.

Personally, I think it's all way, way too early to be seriously talking about 2020. But, it's not my call.

I'm watching it all, but I'm not going to get personally involved until near the end of this year. I have other things to do, and a living to earn.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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4139

(1,893 posts)
6. Gotta finish in the top 4 in Iowa or New Hampshire -- or the press will finish you
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:31 PM
Feb 2019

‘Can he/she recover from the poor start...’ will be the good press!

Then comes Nevada and South Carolina


Super Tuesday will trim the field to 2-3.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
7. That's the conventional wisdom, anyhow.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 02:34 PM
Feb 2019

Some things have changed, and the media knows about those changes.

Besides, I was very clear. I was talking about campaign donors, not voters and not the media. Conventional wisdom is always subject to change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BannonsLiver

(16,493 posts)
11. Actually, you weren't "very clear"
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:17 PM
Feb 2019

“So, if I were a primary candidate, I'd be ignoring Iowa and New Hampshire, pretty much, and spending all of the early money I could come up with in Super Tuesday states, strategically selecting states where I might do well.”

Donors (a word which appeared just once in the subject line, and not anywhere else in the post) don’t spend money, candidates do. That’s probably why you’re having to clarify what your point was in the OP in your responses in the thread.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
13. The word "Donors" was the subject of the title sentence.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:14 PM
Feb 2019

I don't know how much more I could make it. I write in English.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
10. The media will declare a front runner(s) after Iowa and New Hampshire
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 03:09 PM
Feb 2019

That narrative will be difficult for someone who came in 5 through 8.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. I hope not.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:25 PM
Feb 2019

Are you advocating for these states to be abandoned by campaigns? I would hope not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
15. It was a question, not advocacy.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:28 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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