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Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:45 PM Feb 2020

FactCheck Posts -Sanders Spins Young Voter Turnout in Iowa

sanders is trying to preserve the myth of his magical voter revolution and is claiming that there was increased turnout. This claim was fact checked and found to be false




Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed there was a “huge voter turnout” among young caucusgoers in Iowa this year, saying the turnout was “even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008.” In fact, about 10,300 fewer young voters turned out this year than in 2008.....

It’s true that an estimated 24% of this year’s Democratic caucusgoers in Iowa were 29 years old or younger — a higher percentage than in 2008 (22%) and 2016 (18%), according to Edison Research, which conducts entrance polls at the Iowa caucus sites for major news organizations. But far more people participated overall in 2008, including more young people.

“In 2016, participation in the Iowa caucuses was around 170,000 voters,” Edison Research said in a blog post prior to the Iowa caucus.

“But in 2008, turnout for the Democratic caucuses in Iowa reached record levels; 239,000 voters came out to participate in the caucuses that year.”

That means about 52,580 people ages 17 to 29 participated in the Iowa caucus in 2008 — which is far more than came out this year.
As the Washington Post reported, 176,000 people participated in the Democratic caucuses in Iowa, which means about 42,240 of the Democratic caucusgoers were 29 years old or younger. That’s about 11,640 more than participated in 2016 — when Sanders was also a presidential candidate — but it’s about 10,300 fewer younger voters than in 2008.

So, Sanders’ claim that young voter turnout among Iowa Democrats “was even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008” is pure spin.
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FactCheck Posts -Sanders Spins Young Voter Turnout in Iowa (Original Post) Gothmog Feb 2020 OP
Well, he also claimed he won, so.... TwilightZone Feb 2020 #1
You make a valid point... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #5
24 22 18 Kurt V. Feb 2020 #2
He also claimed Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #3
K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #4
hmmm Cha Feb 2020 #6
Hmmmmmm Scurrilous Feb 2020 #7
Yes Cha Feb 2020 #9
You mean, the way some are spinning 15.8% and 8.4% to be some kind of moral victory? jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #8
Tt's "fact check".. exactly what the OP says it is.. Cha Feb 2020 #10
Hmm.. comparing to Obama question everything Feb 2020 #11
That kind of spin is very status quo political technique. Establishment politics as usual, even. ehrnst Feb 2020 #12
No kidding! Cha Feb 2020 #16
New Hampshire Turnout Wasn't Driven By Bernie's Base Gothmog Feb 2020 #13
A couple times today I've seen "gaslighting" associated with Sanders' campaign MH1 Feb 2020 #14
No, radical policies won't drive election-winning turnout Gothmog Feb 2020 #15
 

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
1. Well, he also claimed he won, so....
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:48 PM
Feb 2020
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NurseJackie

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5. You make a valid point...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:17 PM
Feb 2020
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Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
3. He also claimed
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:14 PM
Feb 2020

O hell I forget there have been so many.

25 trillion dollars, TRILLION hole in his grand scheme.

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jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
8. You mean, the way some are spinning 15.8% and 8.4% to be some kind of moral victory?
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 12:51 AM
Feb 2020

That level of spin goes beyond the need for simple fact-checking. That falls more under the need for a reality check.

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Cha

(297,323 posts)
10. Tt's "fact check".. exactly what the OP says it is..
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:06 AM
Feb 2020
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question everything

(47,488 posts)
11. Hmm.. comparing to Obama
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 01:10 AM
Feb 2020

Who else has been doing this?

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ehrnst

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12. That kind of spin is very status quo political technique. Establishment politics as usual, even.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020
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Cha

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16. No kidding!
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:23 AM
Feb 2020
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Gothmog

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13. New Hampshire Turnout Wasn't Driven By Bernie's Base
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:15 PM
Feb 2020

Thee was no magical voter revolution https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/13/new-hampshire-turnout-wasnt-driven-by-bernies-base/

February 13, 2020 at 3:02 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 294 Comments
David Wasserman looks at Democratic turnout in New Hampshire towns won by the top Democratic candidates:
Pete Buttigieg: +26.5%
Amy Klobuchar: +25.2%
Bernie Sanders: +12.0%

His takeaway: Most of the increase in turnout was attributable to John Kasich/Marco Rubio types crossing over from 2016 Republican primary, not heightened enthusiasm of the progressive/Bernie Sanders base.
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MH1

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14. A couple times today I've seen "gaslighting" associated with Sanders' campaign
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:19 PM
Feb 2020

It really does fit.

Adds to the bad taste.

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Gothmog

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15. No, radical policies won't drive election-winning turnout
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:07 PM
Feb 2020

The concept of a magical voter revolution is debunked



Sanders’s explanation of why this is not a problem is simple, and he has repeated it endlessly. When a member of the Los Angeles Times editorial board asked him whether “a candidate as far to the left as you” would “alienate swing voters and moderates and independents,” the senator replied: “The only way that you beat Trump is by having an unprecedented campaign, an unprecedentedly large voter turnout.” Faiz Shakir, Sanders’s campaign manager, adds: “Bernie Sanders has very unique appeal amongst [the younger] generation and can inspire, I think, a bunch of them to vote in percentages that they have never voted before.”

This has remarkably little empirical support. Take the 2018 midterm elections, in which the Democrats took back the House (a net 40-seat gain), carried the House popular vote by almost nine points and flipped seven Republican-held governorships. Turnout in that election was outstanding, topping 49 percent — the highest midterm turnout since 1914 and up 13 points over the previous midterm, in 2014 — and the demographic composition of the electorate came remarkably close to that of a presidential election year. (Typically, midterm voters tend to be much older and much whiter than those in presidential elections.) This was due both to fewer presidential “drop-off” voters (people who voted in 2016 but not 2018) and to more midterm “surge” voters (those who voted in 2018 but not 2016)…..

This analysis shreds an implicit assumption of Sanders and other members of the turnout-will-solve-everything crowd: that if they polarize the election by highlighting progressive issues, “their” nonvoters will show up at the polls, but none of the nonvoters from the other side will. That view is also contradicted by many political science studies. Stanford political scientists Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson, for example, studied House races between 2006 and 2014 and found that highly ideological candidates who beat moderates for a party nomination indeed increased turnout in their own party in the general election — but they increased the opposition turnout even more. (The difference was between three and eight percentage points.) Apparently, their extreme political stances did more to turn out the other side to vote against them than to turn out their own side to vote for them.

The turnout equation does not necessarily return positive results for a candidate like Sanders. The reverse is more likely. It is truly magical thinking to believe that, in a highly polarized situation, only your side gets to increase turnout. And if the other side turns out in droves, you might not like the results — a warning Democrats would be wise to heed.
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