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RandySF

(59,355 posts)
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:12 PM Feb 2020

Sanders Joins Trump in Telling the Media to Go to Hell

Where are those medical records you promised to show us, NBC News’ Chuck Todd asked last weekend on “Meet the Press.“ Sen. Bernie Sanders sounded polite enough, as he exhaled a puffy cloud of obfuscation.

It was not hard to translate Sanders’ word cloud: Go to hell, Chuck.

A lot of that going around these days. Go to hell is what President Donald Trump said in response to his own reneged pledge to release his tax records, to inquiries about the details of his own health records, to criticism to this week’s decision by the leadership of his Justice Department to intervene in sentencing recommendations by line prosecutors in the case of Trump friend Roger Stone.

The narrow question is whether the public needs to see full health records of a 78-year-old man who recently suffered a heart attack and now hopes to be commander in chief or whether his physicians’ letters of reassurance (not accompanied by a news conference or interviews) that he is in satisfactory health are sufficient.

A much larger question is raised by Sanders’ willingness to tell Todd—and the rest of us—to pound sand, seemingly confident in his belief that there is not much price to be paid for doing so.

Sanders’ reversal on health records—in the fall he pledged he would “certainly” release “comprehensive” health information before votes were cast—is notable in at least three respects.

One, it shows how pervasive the Trump precedent is. Even politicians who stand against him on every issue, and who speak solemnly about the need to restore norms shattered during this presidency, are ready to follow trails he has blazed in taking flight from public accountability.

Two, Sanders’ evasion highlights the dilution of mainstream media’s institutional power. There has been no aspirant or occupant of the White House during the modern presidency who has not wished to say "Go to hell" to uncomfortable inquiries about health, finances, or aspects of personal lives that affect public duties. Trump and Sanders are hardly the first to do so. But the reason most politicians have historically resisted the impulse is that it came with a high cost: It was unpleasant and politically expensive to be in the crosshairs of the New York Times, the Washington Post, or a major broadcast network like NBC.





https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/13/sanders-trump-media-114791

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Sanders Joins Trump in Telling the Media to Go to Hell (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2020 OP
populism 101 - delegitimize the media nt Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #1
Took the words right out of my mouth 👍🏻 BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #5
happy to work together with you Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #6
Boy I hope so... BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #7
Chuck Toad is an idiot and now he hears and repeats things that are never said, Autumn Feb 2020 #2
but its politico, where everything they report is true nt msongs Feb 2020 #3
It's Chuck Toad. Feel free to believe him. I know better. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #8
Toad is repeatedly bashed here. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #9
but where are the records? PupCamo Feb 2020 #4
Don' like Todd, but... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #10
Also joined Trump in trying to compare to Obama question everything Feb 2020 #11
He and dump are crowd size kinda guys. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #12
These comparisons with Trump Mad cow Feb 2020 #13
The media has caused itself to become insignificant. Blue_true Feb 2020 #14
 

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. populism 101 - delegitimize the media nt
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:15 PM
Feb 2020

nt

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BlueIdaho

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5. Took the words right out of my mouth 👍🏻
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:24 PM
Feb 2020
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Fresh_Start

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6. happy to work together with you
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:26 PM
Feb 2020

maybe we will get some more DUers to look into populism

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Autumn

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2. Chuck Toad is an idiot and now he hears and repeats things that are never said,
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

"Go to hell, Chuck." Things Bernie never said How very fucking pathetic and republican.

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msongs

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3. but its politico, where everything they report is true nt
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:19 PM
Feb 2020
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Autumn

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8. It's Chuck Toad. Feel free to believe him. I know better. nt
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:33 PM
Feb 2020
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Voltaire2

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9. Toad is repeatedly bashed here.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:36 PM
Feb 2020

But now he is above reproach.

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PupCamo

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4. but where are the records?
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:22 PM
Feb 2020

Todd might be an asshole but he asked a valid question

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Happy Hoosier

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10. Don' like Todd, but...
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:42 PM
Feb 2020

Why won’t Sanders release his records? The man recently had a heart attack. It’s a reasonable question.

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question everything

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11. Also joined Trump in trying to compare to Obama
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287502756

Sen. Bernie Sanders claimed there was a “huge voter turnout” among young caucusgoers in Iowa this year, saying the turnout was “even higher than Obama’s extraordinary victory in 2008.” In fact, about 10,300 fewer young voters turned out this year than in 2008.....
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UniteFightBack

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12. He and dump are crowd size kinda guys. nt
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:48 PM
Feb 2020
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Mad cow

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13. These comparisons with Trump
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:57 PM
Feb 2020

Are getting out of hand. A person can disagree with Sanders without making some Trump corollary. In my opinion, it only serves to normalize Trump. Oh look...Bernie shares such and such characteristic with Trump. Please - there is no comparison. Trump is a monster.

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Blue_true

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14. The media has caused itself to become insignificant.
Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:59 PM
Feb 2020

It reports breathlessly on shit that doesn't matter or had been settled while ignoring much larger and ominous warning signs. So the media has no one to blame but itself.

Trump and Sanders are following the populist handbook, it is always about some poor soul being victimized by powerful but invisible hands. None of it has to be real, all that matters is a good chunk of people that are brutally loyal buy into the bullshit.

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