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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:11 AM Feb 2020

Question: If Bloomberg ends up in third place, after all votes are counted, will he be in a position

to entice super-delegates to put him over the top, thereby being granted the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Question: If Bloomberg ends up in third place, after all votes are counted, will he be in a position (Original Post) Skya Rhen Feb 2020 OP
not on the first ballot dsc Feb 2020 #1
Hard to say, but he's promised to put his money to work whether or not The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2
Quite possibly; he already has 20 on board, to Biden's 68 and Bernie's 22 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #3
No FBaggins Feb 2020 #4
The problem is whoever goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not enough still_one Feb 2020 #6
I'm afraid that "ugly" is what we're in for FBaggins Feb 2020 #8
Unfortunately I agree still_one Feb 2020 #11
"Ugly"process okay by me as long as Dems can produce a candidate oasis Feb 2020 #14
The fear is that those two things are contradictory FBaggins Feb 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author FBaggins Feb 2020 #4
MineralMan proposed something interesting a week or two ago that Mike 03 Feb 2020 #7
As a guy that wanted Biden to rise to the occasion, i don't think he can. dem4decades Feb 2020 #9
The altruistic BS doesn't work with me. He will do anything to be president and never had Biden's Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #10
That would be tantamount to stealing an election pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #12
It would cause issues... but it wouldn't be "stealing" anything FBaggins Feb 2020 #13
That may be the technicality of the rules pinkstarburst Feb 2020 #15
The person currently with the most votes doesn't have the most delegates FBaggins Feb 2020 #17
So you support a progressive candidate but oppose Ranked Choice Voting? Interesting. MH1 Feb 2020 #18
 

dsc

(52,169 posts)
1. not on the first ballot
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020

since they don't have a vote on it. Subsequent ballots all delegates are in play.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,879 posts)
2. Hard to say, but he's promised to put his money to work whether or not
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:13 AM
Feb 2020

he gets the nomination. So, good for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
3. Quite possibly; he already has 20 on board, to Biden's 68 and Bernie's 22
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:14 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
4. No
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

There aren't enough superdelegates to move from third place to winning a majority.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,433 posts)
6. The problem is whoever goes into the convention with the most delegates, but not enough
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:22 AM
Feb 2020

to cinch the nomination, if the super delegates don’t vote for the candidate with the most delegates, it will get very ugly

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
8. I'm afraid that "ugly" is what we're in for
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

Things don't look likely to clear up in the next week and a half... and too many delegates are likely to be split too many ways on Super Tuesday.

I'm not sure that anyone will be close enough for the superdelegates to put him/her over the top.

Even uglier if (like IA/NH) we have one candidate with the most votes and another with the most delegates... and neither close to a majority of either measure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,433 posts)
11. Unfortunately I agree
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:16 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,426 posts)
14. "Ugly"process okay by me as long as Dems can produce a candidate
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:30 PM
Feb 2020

acceptable to a majority of American voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
16. The fear is that those two things are contradictory
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:27 PM
Feb 2020

If 10% of the party finds the eventual candidate to be unacceptable, (s)he won't be acceptable to a majority of voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Skya Rhen (Original post)

 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. MineralMan proposed something interesting a week or two ago that
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

struck me as having great merit and is in harmony with Bloomberg's attitude all along. If Biden can gain strength and establish himself, Bloomberg would then throw his support behind Biden. I really think Bloomberg was counting on Biden and that the only reason he's become a "thing" this week is because people are worrying about Biden.

Bloomberg wants to stay involved in the attack, but I think he can take or leave the presidency. I thought that was his plan all along, but unexpected developments happened. Shit got real and he stepped up his spending.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,306 posts)
9. As a guy that wanted Biden to rise to the occasion, i don't think he can.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:54 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
10. The altruistic BS doesn't work with me. He will do anything to be president and never had Biden's
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:58 AM
Feb 2020

back. He would never throw his support behind anyone if it means denying him the highest office. He changed the rules through money, power and influence to attain the unthinkable - 3 terms as Mayor - when he left office he changed the rules back. It is all about him. He loves power.

If I was supposed to believe the initial argument that he just wanted to help get rid of Trump because he cares so much for the country, he convinced me otherwise.

It was made clear as day, to me, when his Obama ad started airing. This was a direct slap in the face to Biden. He wanted to give the impression that he was Obama’s right hand man. This revealed that he wanted to take Biden’s place. And this was when Biden was at the top of every national poll and was predicted to have the most delegates by the pollsters. And I’m not buying the talking point that Bloomberg entered because Biden was weak. All of the pollsters, at the time of his entrance, showed otherwise.

So, I’m now supposed to believe that he will happily give up his chance of being President by throwing his support behind Biden if he ends up being behind Biden at the end of the voting? Please.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
12. That would be tantamount to stealing an election
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:31 AM
Feb 2020

If whoever has the most delegates going into the first round is not the eventual nominee, it is going to get VERY ugly. Yes, there are superdelegates, but the process should respect the will of the voters.

How do you think the, say, 35% of voters who supported the first place candidate will react if the super delegates steal the election from the rightful first place winner and give it to the second or third place person in terms of delegate count? Because I suspect we'll have an awful lot of that person's supporters sitting out in November in furious protest and any "gains" the DNC might have hoped that would get us at the ballot box will be for naught.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
13. It would cause issues... but it wouldn't be "stealing" anything
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:18 PM
Feb 2020

"Whoever gets the most votes/delegates" could have been selected as a way of choosing a nominee... but it wasn't. The winner needs an absolute majority.

If the eventual nominee gets a majority of delegates... the nomination won't be "stolen" - though some supporters of other candidates may not be willing to accept the will of the majority.

If only DU rules could control the convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
15. That may be the technicality of the rules
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:54 PM
Feb 2020

But I guarantee you that is not how it will be seen by the majority of people who voted for that person. If the person who got the most delegates is not the ultimate nominee, it will essentially be stealing an election.

Would you think it was fair if Biden got 45% of the vote, the delegates decided they wanted to give it to Bernie (say he got 30%), and so they all voted to crown Bernie nominee in the second round? Pretty sure those 45% of people who voted for Biden would never come around and support Bernie. And that's exactly the situation we're looking at if people try to manipulate and give someone the nomination who didn't rightfully win. We will lose in November and it will be a terrible blow to party unity.

I'm not even a Bernie supporter, and I would not support the nominee in November if this sort of cheating went down. I just couldn't support that sort of corruption and disrespect towards the voting process. If the DNC isn't going to respect my vote, maybe they don't deserve it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
17. The person currently with the most votes doesn't have the most delegates
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020

It's absolutely possible that we'll get to the convention with the same problem.

Which one would be "stealing" in that scenario?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MH1

(17,608 posts)
18. So you support a progressive candidate but oppose Ranked Choice Voting? Interesting.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:59 PM
Feb 2020

Sure we don't officially use RCV at the DNC but the proposed scenario is not unlike RCV.

Real RCV would very likely not result in Sanders as the winner, if it were held today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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