I have great health care and I would oppose M4A with all my being.

There's a word for that.

I would oppose M4A as being the ONLY choice for health care.

If someone is satisfied with their current health care, then they should be able to keep it and not be forced to have M4A.

You're every marketer's and corporation's dream customer.

It's that whole freedom of choice thing.

I worked hard for my health care benefits, I don't want it taken away from me for what is a pie in the sky proposal at this point in time.

You should look at my avatar and then you would know about my health care benefits.

I'm a long haul owner/operator truck driver, not an investment advisor, and I do quite well.

I hope for your health, that's never tested.

I've met so many people who said they were "satisfied" until they actually got sick.

Again, I worked my tail off for my health care benefits, I like my benefits, I don't want to lose them to some pie in the sky proposal that no one can even tell us what it will cost.

If people want M4A, then fine, but it shouldn't be the ONLY choice, if someone wants a different insurance, then shouldn't it be up to them to choose, yes, choose, what they want?

When did freedom of choice become so toxic to some here?

not everybody's as lucky as you.

and I sure as hell don't want to lose them for some pie in the sky proposal..

I'm not against M4A per se, I'm against M4A being the only health care available, as Bernie has suggested.

BTW, it wasn't luck, it was a conscious decision by my late wife and myself to make a career of the Marine Corps.

nice. Let's expand that to everybody else.

as long as it's not the only plan available, let people choose what's best for them, that used to be an American value, but it seems to be toxic these days, especially with some here.

And yes, I'm on the govt. teat, I earned that teat.

I’ve been concerned about it’s rightward trend for 40 years, but this is eye opening for me.

it's not RW to want to have choices, if someone wants M4A, then god bless them, but it shouldn't be the ONLY choice, it should be up to the individual what is best for them.

I thought freedom of choice was a Democratic value, apparently, to some, it's not anymore.

We need a system that provides everyone with quality health care, not a system based on profit and affluence for the providers, managers, insurers and quality health care for some — those who can afford it.

By the way, like you now, I have always been fortunate to have excellent health insurance and access to quality health care as well as choice of providers throughout my life. I am now on welfare with supplemental insurance for 4-plus years now. It provides the same. I’m thrilled with the quality, access and choice it provides me. It’s been every bit as good as any plan I’ve ever had, and at significantly lower out of pocket cost.

A universal system is the only system that can do the same for all. I am 100 percent for it and find your take way off the mark regarding freedom (that is real BS by the way) as well as traditional values of the Democratic Party frankly. I’ve been convinced for years that as long as insurance companies are key stakeholders, we will never achieve affordable care for all. Their role needs to be minimized to a supplemental one at most, not an equal player based on the bullshit, phony argument about “freedom”.

Choice. Choice, what a sick, cruel fucking joke. Choice is bullshit, vulture insurances’ whitewash.

the ONLY choice.

I like my insurance, I worked hard for it, I want the choice to keep it.

What's wrong with that?

Does your candidate support such a choice? Rich people worldwide are allowed to spend as much money as they like on private healthcare whether that country has universal healthcare or not.

they sit and whine that no one knows how much M4A will cost. Trillions folks.

and that's what will happen if there's a Democratic nominee pushing M4A. The notion of it is great, but the practical reality is that there's not a hope in hell of it passing. AOC recognizes this reality. Fixing the ACA, adding a public option, providing public healthcare for the poorest of Americans, establishing Primary care centers to target prevention rather than reactive, and lowering the cost of prescription drugs. That is all achievable.

I do wish more people would realize this, we can't tolerate another 4 years of the Mango Menace.

Bernie came out with this great big idea, Kamala and Elizabeth jumped on his coattails, but none of them had thought through the implications and the potential blowback. Kamala got holed almost immediately when asked if it meant doing away with private healthcare, saying yes, and then ran away from that almost as quickly. It took Warren longer to suffer for it, and now Bernie is getting it from the Nevada union.

And it's something that shouldn't be the quiet part because this, at least, isn't magical thinking.

Good for her.

Why are we still pretending otherwise. Five years of Sanders beating up the Democratic Party and our Democratic leaders over this that has no chance of passing,a s we all knew well in advance. So the Democrats have been doing what we can to make it better for people, while Sanders has made it harding, putting out hits on the people actually accomplishing things.

He trashes good people who actually have moved the ball forward for it not being enough. I mean, dogged the democrats relentlessly for what? So that he can claim to be the only one with an answer.

Run like hell.

Almost all first world countries have universal healthcare for their citizens, what is known about this:
- Cost per capita is much much lower (economies of scale)
- Drug are much cheaper and are priced between producers and governments
- The life expectancy is higher and going up these nations
- The populations would never want to goto the US system.

So reasons why the US wants to keep their system:
- ... faulty logic

But the fact is most Americans are not swayed by hearing that other countries do something better, since they've been conditioned to believe that the USA is the greatest country on earth. If they've never lived outside the U.S., they can easily swallow the propaganda about months-long wait times and "rationing" of care.

Or they say, "Well, single-payer may work in those countries, but it would never work here because we have a much larger population." I don't understand the logic of that argument, but I see it a lot.

sanders is relying on some sort of magical voter revolution to get his proposals adopted. Without this magical voter revolution, none of sanders proposals will ever be adopted in the real world.

Here is a good article on why there will a magical voter revolution is not going to happen in the real world

Link to tweet

And if the ACA finally goes, Medicare and Social Security will follow. Yes, it can happen here.

Has ONLY government run healthcare.
Germany
England
Japan
Australia
even Denmark

...have private health insurance sectors. And many are growing.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/13/socialist-nordic-countries-are-actually-moving-toward-private-health-care/

unable to accomplish any major plank of his economic platform, so he should be considered non-threatening. Of course, he would never use this defense personally. If he gets nominated, expect other more moderate Democrats to employ this tactic. The message would be you are getting a tough, angry, ethical, but "toothless" old man to replace Trump.