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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:04 AM Feb 2020

Some Tea Party Republicans in South Carolina are voting for Bernie Sanders..yikes🙄

Karen Martin is an organizer for a local Tea Party group in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and a registered Republican. On February 29, she’ll cast a vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders in the South Carolina Democratic primary.
Some Republicans, including the president’s son, have been boosting Sanders, perhaps to encourage division within the Democratic Party. But Martin told me that her vote is about proving a different point.
She and other members of the Tea Party movement in South Carolina want to end the state’s open primary system, which they believe leads to excessively moderate candidates breaking through. “We’re not necessarily looking to disrupt any additional things. And we really don’t care who comes out of South Carolina on top,” she said




Crossover voting — when voters from one party vote in the other’s primary to lift a specific candidate — isn’t new. With open primaries in more than 20 states, crossover voting has been a part of primary politics for years. In fact, it was in South Carolina (and Michigan) two decades ago that hundreds of Democrats switched affiliations to vote for then-presidential candidate John McCain, an effort the Bush campaign then used against McCain.
Back in 2000, a Bush campaign spokesperson denounced the purported “alliance between the limousine-liberal Democrats and the McCain campaign” as “distorting the intent of real Republican vote


cross-party voting is not a good thing. We have to protect our elections from this or we will lose like 2016



paper ballot is a must...


https://www.vox.com/2020/2/14/21126962/crossover-voting-south-carolina-republicans-tea-party-bernie-sanders



We voted for Joe on absentee ballot..our ballot had just Dem party on it. Although Bloomberg was on Michigan ballot.








One Vote.....only

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Some Tea Party Republicans in South Carolina are voting for Bernie Sanders..yikes🙄 (Original Post) Iamaartist Feb 2020 OP
"Excessively moderate candidates" -- What a concept :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #1
Cross-over voting should be banned...One vote for one person... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #7
Crossover voting is still one vote for one person. No one can vote in two primaries. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #13
A lot of republican independents in NH voted for him too calguy Feb 2020 #2
Thats why Joe will lose votes.... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #4
re: "to skew the vote in favor of the candidate they think would be the easiest to beat" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #14
I have seen this posted before - do you have a link to the numbers? Thanks! nt jmg257 Feb 2020 #22
Their master shithole demands it . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #3
They are....afraid of Joe... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #5
Republicans have been doing that since Howard Dean... paleotn Feb 2020 #6
Well I hope so ..it did in Michigan 2016... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #9
Sounds like SC should fix their problem. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #8
Crossover voting is among the more wnylib Feb 2020 #10
Good question ..How Iamaartist Feb 2020 #11
The only thing I can think of is wnylib Feb 2020 #15
Republican politicians are typically in favor of ending open primaries madville Feb 2020 #16
I would have thought it was wnylib Feb 2020 #19
They also could be saying with the hopes of causing division with cstanleytech Feb 2020 #12
Split the vote? old ploy.... mitch96 Feb 2020 #17
Are all these states that allow this RED BY CHANCE? They need to cheat to win. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #18
K&R,They need to cheat to win.... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #20
The phenomenon is real. The publicity is the Biden Campaign discounting an SC loss. denem Feb 2020 #21
I'm sure they will be quite pleased with themselves cojoel Feb 2020 #23
The impact of mischievous crossover voting is about as impactful as voter fraud. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #24
Of course they are. Bernie means a sure win for Trump. n/t Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #25
Criminal drumpf believes he can beat BS so the RW tea party democratisphere Feb 2020 #26
Agree ......just to get Bernie elected...republicans will do anything to cheat... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #29
...lost forever. democratisphere Feb 2020 #33
Yes, I heard some good "Christian" Republicans planning the same thing. hamsterjill Feb 2020 #27
Open primaries make tampering with the other side possible. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #28
Technology new crap apps ipads .make it easier to steal data..nowadays.... Iamaartist Feb 2020 #30
Makes it easier, it was always possible MH1 Feb 2020 #32
This is the nightmare of open primaries and we have 21 of them Peacetrain Feb 2020 #31
I couldn't agree more,Also here in Michigan we have open primary.. Iamaartist Feb 2020 #34
trump really wants to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #35
If b.s. is musicman65 Feb 2020 #36
If the Russians want to re-elect Trump makes perfect sense they want Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #38
Republicans are voting for sanders because he is the weakest candidate Gothmog Feb 2020 #37
 

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,015 posts)
1. "Excessively moderate candidates" -- What a concept :eyes:
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:10 AM
Feb 2020

-- next: radically moderate.

As if the country is not already polarized enough.

Don't believe them, they are just disrupters, even if they are right and cross-over voting should be banned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
7. Cross-over voting should be banned...One vote for one person...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:21 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
13. Crossover voting is still one vote for one person. No one can vote in two primaries.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020

Even in an open primary state, if you vote in the Dem primary, you cannot vote in the Republican primary. But it does create a different potential conflict, if only one party is running a competitive race.

This year is so weird though, "because, Trump." There are lots of Republicans and right-leaning independents who genuinely don't like Trump, and if they cross over to our primary to vote for someone they would actually prefer to Trump in November, then they are actually serving the purposes of the Democratic party... because those are voters who would indeed help us win in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calguy

(5,319 posts)
2. A lot of republican independents in NH voted for him too
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:11 AM
Feb 2020

Where ever voters can cross over, republicans have an "operation chaos" going on to skew the vote in favor of the cabdidate they think would be the easiest to beat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
4. Thats why Joe will lose votes....
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:15 AM
Feb 2020

Might have been happening long time in voting....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
14. re: "to skew the vote in favor of the candidate they think would be the easiest to beat"
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:24 AM
Feb 2020

They could also be skewing the vote in favor of people they really would like to be able to vote for in November, since so many don't Republicans or right-leaning independents don't like Trump. Then it's not "chaos," it's actually helping us put up a candidate who could more easily steal votes from Trump. Crossover voting is complicated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
22. I have seen this posted before - do you have a link to the numbers? Thanks! nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:35 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Their master shithole demands it . . .
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:12 AM
Feb 2020


Seems they are still afraid of VP Biden.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
5. They are....afraid of Joe...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:17 AM
Feb 2020

To much cheating..going on to win our elections..apps,,,.iPad..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
6. Republicans have been doing that since Howard Dean...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:18 AM
Feb 2020

But it turns out, it's usually only small, insignificant numbers. As the article said...hundreds. I don't think it will be enough to move Bernie's numbers in SC much, even with a number of candidates on the ballot this time. He just doesn't play well down there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
9. Well I hope so ..it did in Michigan 2016...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:22 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,967 posts)
8. Sounds like SC should fix their problem.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:21 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

wnylib

(21,523 posts)
10. Crossover voting is among the more
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:25 AM
Feb 2020

insane notions in primary elections. Should not be allowed, but states can set their own election laws, so how do you convince them not to allow it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
11. Good question ..How
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:28 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wnylib

(21,523 posts)
15. The only thing I can think of is
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:40 AM
Feb 2020

ads and discussions in states where open primaries exist, explaining what should be obvious. Primaries are the PARTY's opportunity for its MEMBERS to choose their candidate. So closed primaries are the only way that makes sense.

But since the opportunity for disruption is probably the reason why some states allow open primaries, a discussion would not go far.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

madville

(7,412 posts)
16. Republican politicians are typically in favor of ending open primaries
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:54 AM
Feb 2020

They also only want the registered party members voting in their primaries.

This South Carolina push is actually a publicity stunt because some SC Republicans have been trying to end open primaries there for years and they are trying to generate Democratic support to get it through the legislature. There was an article about it two weeks ago.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wnylib

(21,523 posts)
19. I would have thought it was
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

the other way around since it is R's that we hear about using open primaries to disrupt and muddy Dem primaries. They did it in 2008 primaries between Obama and Clinton to feed divisions in the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cstanleytech

(26,303 posts)
12. They also could be saying with the hopes of causing division with
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:48 AM
Feb 2020

Democratic voters by creating a situation where we bicker among ourselves.
My point? Simply keep in mind that they are still Republicans and they cannot be trusted.
As for myself I refuse to get involved in arguing with anyone over which candidate is better so as not to sway someone to vote for "my" choice.
What I do intend to do is give 100% of my support to whichever Democrat we choose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mitch96

(13,917 posts)
17. Split the vote? old ploy....
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:59 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
18. Are all these states that allow this RED BY CHANCE? They need to cheat to win. nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:59 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
20. K&R,They need to cheat to win....
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:25 AM
Feb 2020

The South was a life time for Joe .. to say other certain candidates are going to win it...



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
21. The phenomenon is real. The publicity is the Biden Campaign discounting an SC loss.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:33 AM
Feb 2020

If Biden gets another 4th in NV, he should quit while he is ahead in SC.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cojoel

(957 posts)
23. I'm sure they will be quite pleased with themselves
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:39 AM
Feb 2020

If Bernie goes on to win the nomination with the SC delegates being the ones to put him over the top, and then goes on to win the general election in November and the electoral college vote in December.

They say it can't happen? In 2016 it was said that Trump couldn't win...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
24. The impact of mischievous crossover voting is about as impactful as voter fraud.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:41 AM
Feb 2020

In other words, there's no evidence that it's made a difference. Way too much is made of open primaries. Caucuses, on the hand, disenfranchise people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
25. Of course they are. Bernie means a sure win for Trump. n/t
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:43 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
26. Criminal drumpf believes he can beat BS so the RW tea party
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:49 AM
Feb 2020

republicans are going to help out! Lying, cheating and stealing over and over again!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
29. Agree ......just to get Bernie elected...republicans will do anything to cheat...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

They want money and power...GOP. Some voters don't understand how serious this election means.... our freedom will be lost...forever...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
33. ...lost forever.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020

So true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
27. Yes, I heard some good "Christian" Republicans planning the same thing.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:05 PM
Feb 2020

In Texas.

I pointed out that to me, as a Christian, such a thing would not be honorable. They looked confused.

That said a lot.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
28. Open primaries make tampering with the other side possible.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:35 PM
Feb 2020

Especially with the internet trolls encouraging large groups who hate liberals to do it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
30. Technology new crap apps ipads .make it easier to steal data..nowadays....
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:39 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MH1

(17,600 posts)
32. Makes it easier, it was always possible
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:44 PM
Feb 2020

I am in favor of closed primaries. But tampering can still occur there by people changing their registration.

Especially with pro-voter changes like moving registration deadlines closer to election dates, it is still possible to orchestrate some tampering with the out-of-office party when the incumbent is running for re-election.

Open primaries just make it MUCH easier. More people can be convinced to do that one thing the day of the election, than also the prerequisite step of changing their registration in time for a closed primary.

Open primaries are much worse, but closed primaries are not immune.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
31. This is the nightmare of open primaries and we have 21 of them
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:41 PM
Feb 2020

You think caucuses are a headache.. (and yes they are).. open primaries are an open invitation to the destruction of our party. Open Primaries.. again, what nimrod came up with this useless idea..

Please for the love of God, I hope no one answers me with they are a unregistered democrat and they do no want to register but want a say who our candidate is.. My answer to that is.. join or move on.. Why should our party be subject to this type of messing with our numbers because you do not want to register.

This time it is such a headache because so many states will not be having a republican primary and so they have nothing to lose.

Parties are for registered members.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
34. I couldn't agree more,Also here in Michigan we have open primary..
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:58 PM
Feb 2020

The Michigan primary is an open primary, with the state awarding 147 delegates, of which 125 are pledged delegates allocated on the basis of the results of the primary




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,407 posts)
35. trump really wants to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:49 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musicman65

(524 posts)
36. If b.s. is
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:57 PM
Feb 2020

nominated,,,,well,ya' gotta know it smells like fish

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,407 posts)
38. If the Russians want to re-elect Trump makes perfect sense they want Sanders
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,407 posts)
37. Republicans are voting for sanders because he is the weakest candidate
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:37 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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