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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:32 PM Feb 2020

Good... I see Bloomberg is getting vetted.. Now Bernie

He has gotten a pass.. time for his past to be brought forward..

Time to hold their "feet to the fire"

These are people who are polling high.. gotta get a good look at who wants to head our party..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Good... I see Bloomberg is getting vetted.. Now Bernie (Original Post) Peacetrain Feb 2020 OP
Why did Bernie 'honeymoon' in Russia? left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #1
past time.. Peacetrain Feb 2020 #2
I agree. Way past time. nt jrthin Feb 2020 #4
Omg! I never heard of that! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #13
Or not have a job until 40. krissey Feb 2020 #26
Because it's beautiful with a lot of neat architecture? OliverQ Feb 2020 #34
Peter Daou, who worked for Hillary in 2016, claimed he DID vet Bernie back then. m-lekktor Feb 2020 #3
You're right, I'm sure the Republicans spent everything they had on Burnie when Trump called him Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #5
No, not everything is "out there," judging from the ehrnst Feb 2020 #6
What About THeir Big Books Of Oppo That People Have Seen? Me. Feb 2020 #19
There's a Newsweek article floating around DU claiming there's a two foot thick Mike 03 Feb 2020 #20
Yep - here it is ehrnst Feb 2020 #21
Thank you very much! I found another: Mike 03 Feb 2020 #23
And none of them comes anywhere close to how awful Trump is. OliverQ Feb 2020 #36
Yes you are right about that but wait till Butterflylady Feb 2020 #37
It's called keeping your powder dry Dream Girl Feb 2020 #7
You got that right calguy Feb 2020 #16
They have that on every candidate. OliverQ Feb 2020 #35
Dead beat dad, stealing electricity from landlord, rape fantasies, no job until 40. krissey Feb 2020 #28
I want to know why he voted to dump nuclear waste in a poor mostly Hispanic Texas community? still_one Feb 2020 #8
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #9
Bernie's gotten a "pass"? LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #10
It's a constant here, too. babylonsister Feb 2020 #11
Perhaps... David__77 Feb 2020 #14
Vetting is not "bashing." If it makes you sad, or if you think Bernie's campaign cannot ehrnst Feb 2020 #22
Umm, his campaign is enduring the bashing just fine. Have you seen the polls? DanTex Feb 2020 #24
You still seem to confuse vetting other candidates get with "attacking" when ehrnst Feb 2020 #31
I'd rather not destroy Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #12
There could be a lot of skeletons in that closet. George II Feb 2020 #15
The Republican concern trolls for Bernie tell the whole story. R B Garr Feb 2020 #17
Sorry to disagree Butterflylady Feb 2020 #38
The "concern" is for Bernie's political well-being. R B Garr Feb 2020 #45
THat's What I Was Thinking Me. Feb 2020 #18
They're just biding their time.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #25
Bernie has been in public office for decades Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #27
I didn't know anything until I researched in 2015 when I was considering Sanders. Here is the thing krissey Feb 2020 #29
Really? PETRUS Feb 2020 #30
Sanders has been saying it for 50 yrs. I remember a speech where he said, gays, black and women krissey Feb 2020 #32
That reads like some type of nutpicking PETRUS Feb 2020 #41
Sanders has displayed solidarity with marginalized groups his entire career, krissey Feb 2020 #42
... PETRUS Feb 2020 #44
You evidently don't know what or who the Butterflylady Feb 2020 #39
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #33
That's just what they have concerning politics. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #40
I really believe Bernie is pretty well-vetted. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #43
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
1. Why did Bernie 'honeymoon' in Russia?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:34 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
4. I agree. Way past time. nt
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:42 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
26. Or not have a job until 40.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:47 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
34. Because it's beautiful with a lot of neat architecture?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
3. Peter Daou, who worked for Hillary in 2016, claimed he DID vet Bernie back then.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:40 PM
Feb 2020

And everything is already out there, which is not much and that is why they attack his followers . endorsers, surrogates, they can't get anything on HIM that will stick! This is Bernie's SECOND time running for president, don't you think they would have something out there by now?

Seriously what is holding everybody back from vetting him if he hasn't been vetted already?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
5. You're right, I'm sure the Republicans spent everything they had on Burnie when Trump called him
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:46 PM
Feb 2020

"Crazy Bernie."

Nope, no skeletons at all in Burnie's closet. Nothing to see. He's as clean and pristine as the driven snow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. No, not everything is "out there," judging from the
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:52 PM
Feb 2020

cries of "fake attacks from a media that wants to destroy Bernie!!!" whenever something new is released.

No, Bernie has not been vetted, and the pushback against it from certain supporters indicates that they haven't seen it, and would prefer he not be vetted.

See also: Where are the promised medical records?

The GOP does not want their oppo out there, because he's their first choice as the nominee, and they don't want to torpedo him until he's the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
19. What About THeir Big Books Of Oppo That People Have Seen?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:19 PM
Feb 2020

haven't seen them yet but will if he was our nom.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
20. There's a Newsweek article floating around DU claiming there's a two foot thick
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:19 PM
Feb 2020

opposition file on Bernie.

It was a seriously disturbing article.

It claims Hillary had access to information she refused to use so as not to alienate Bernie supporters in 2016.

This article gets posted periodically, so you might keep an eye out for it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
23. Thank you very much! I found another:
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:27 PM
Feb 2020

Guardian: Bernie Sanders' real problem isn't Elizabeth Warren. It's Donald Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/16/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-donald-trump

The chances of Sanders actually becoming president, however, are also close to nil. I say this because in 2016 I got a glimpse of the Republican party’s opposition research book on Sanders, which was so massive it had to be transported on a cart. The Newsweek reporter Kurt Eichenwald, who got to see some of its contents, declared that “it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn [Sanders] apart.”

According to Eichenwald, the book includes damning material such as the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to Texas where it would be dumped in a poor Hispanic community, that he honeymooned in the Soviet Union, and that he appeared at a 1985 rally in Nicaragua at which Sandinista supporters chanted “Here, there / the Yankee will die.” And then there’s Sanders’ fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men…

After the Trump campaign and Fox News got through weaponizing this research, the usual conservative charges against Sanders – that his domestic program would cost nearly $100tn over the next decade, that he would ban individual health insurance, send taxes into the stratosphere, and sympathize with terrorists and leftwing regimes – would seem almost benign. The Republican campaign against any Democratic presidential candidate is guaranteed to be ugly, but against Sanders it would be gruesome. The result most likely would be a Democratic wipeout on the scale of Labour’s under Jeremy Corbyn.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
36. And none of them comes anywhere close to how awful Trump is.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Butterflylady

(3,546 posts)
37. Yes you are right about that but wait till
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:54 PM
Feb 2020

The GE time. The repugs will inflate everything to the point where they'll have people believing he had something to do with Kennedys shooting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
7. It's called keeping your powder dry
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:53 PM
Feb 2020

They have a shit load of opposition research which they will gladly unload if he gets the nod

If I were to vote in a presidential
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calguy

(5,319 posts)
16. You got that right
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:12 PM
Feb 2020

The big tell is when you start to see Republican pundits praising Bernie and mentioning how he's been "screwed", it's obvious they are trying to set us up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
35. They have that on every candidate.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
28. Dead beat dad, stealing electricity from landlord, rape fantasies, no job until 40.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

Backing Castro.

I think there is a lot that is waiting to come out in the GE that will surprise the people that voted for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(92,277 posts)
8. I want to know why he voted to dump nuclear waste in a poor mostly Hispanic Texas community?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
10. Bernie's gotten a "pass"? LOL.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:03 PM
Feb 2020

Have you watched MSNBC or CNN or read any Washington Post or NYT columns? He's getting bashed daily all over the media.

It's the opposite of a "pass". The Bernie-bashing is so constant that it's gotten monotonous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

babylonsister

(171,075 posts)
11. It's a constant here, too.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:04 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

David__77

(23,426 posts)
14. Perhaps...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:09 PM
Feb 2020

Anything short of being seized by an enraged mob of Chamber of Commerce officials is “getting a pass.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. Vetting is not "bashing." If it makes you sad, or if you think Bernie's campaign cannot
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:23 PM
Feb 2020

endure vetting that he did not get prior to this campaign, then it doesn't show much faith in him, does it?



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. Umm, his campaign is enduring the bashing just fine. Have you seen the polls?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:30 PM
Feb 2020

Just pointing out that trying to pretend that Bernie hasn't been vetted or is getting some kind of "pass" is absurd. He gets bashed/"vetted" constantly throughout the media. And still he's ahead of every other candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
31. You still seem to confuse vetting other candidates get with "attacking" when
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:25 PM
Feb 2020

applied to Sanders.

You react as someone who feels that anyone vetting him is simply trying to harm him, as if his campaign can't take it. One does not act in a hyper protective manner around someone that they feel will be OK without you shielding them.

I call 'em as I see 'em.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
12. I'd rather not destroy
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

any of our remaining candidates. Biden has been a victim of this and I don’t want to see any other potential nominee destroyed by people on our side. Let’s not do the Republicans’ work for them. BTW, Sanders is my second to last choice and Bloomberg is last.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. There could be a lot of skeletons in that closet.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:11 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,956 posts)
17. The Republican concern trolls for Bernie tell the whole story.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:16 PM
Feb 2020

Trump, for one, is very concerned about Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Butterflylady

(3,546 posts)
38. Sorry to disagree
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020

But I'd say trump isn't one bit concerned about Bernie because of one word, socialist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,956 posts)
45. The "concern" is for Bernie's political well-being.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

He is trolling those who buy into the “poor Bernie” memes with concern trolling about what Democrats are doing to Bernie.

True, Trump wants to run against socialism, so that word is not his concern.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
18. THat's What I Was Thinking
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:17 PM
Feb 2020

why does he keep getting a pass?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Callado119

(171 posts)
25. They're just biding their time..
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

Republicans and the media obviously want a trump second term. They’re saving their ammo until about August if sanders is the nominee. I suspect his campaign will be dead in the water in about a month. The only question then will be if we can save the house..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
27. Bernie has been in public office for decades
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Feb 2020

and has had oppo research done on him more than once.

I don't think there's really anything that juicy on him, or much that we don't already know. He hasn't amassed wealth, unlike many of his colleagues. He takes hits for bits and pieces of his legislative record and some shit he wrote 50 years ago. He gets criticized for his involvement with socialist groups and parties, and his general identification with socialism. But everyone knows all that stuff already so, while he will get hammered by the RW on a lot of it if he's the nominee, I don't think he'll lose any potential support over it.

If there was more, I think it would have come out by now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
29. I didn't know anything until I researched in 2015 when I was considering Sanders. Here is the thing
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders supporters do not research his kinda sorta plans, let alone educate themselves on Sanders history. They do not care. All Sanders has to do is repeat the same thing the last five to fifty years that the middle class white man is being picked on and he is going to help them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
30. Really?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:18 PM
Feb 2020

I don't think you can make such assumptions or a blanket statement about any candidate's supporters. Honestly, my impression is that most voters, regardless of their candidate, do not do much research on the person or their proposals. Also, I firmly disagree with you take on Bernie's message - it's not about "whites" or "men," it's a message about class. The demographic that offers him the least support is white men. His coalition is more diverse than most candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
32. Sanders has been saying it for 50 yrs. I remember a speech where he said, gays, black and women
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

have had it tough. And lots of applause, .... Sanders is interrupting the applause to say, but.... they are doing better. It is middle class that is in trouble and has no champion. White. Men. Rural. Middle class.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
41. That reads like some type of nutpicking
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders has displayed solidarity with marginalized groups his entire career, and it's quite clear his sympathies lie with the working class and the poor, regardless of their characteristics otherwise (race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.). If you've been paying attention for 50 years, it would take an act of will not to notice that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
42. Sanders has displayed solidarity with marginalized groups his entire career,
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020

When it behooves him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Butterflylady

(3,546 posts)
39. You evidently don't know what or who the
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:05 PM
Feb 2020

Republicans are and that is safe to say. Repugs have power and dam well plan to keep it. This election will be the nastiest ever and more than likely the bloodiest. Remember the thugs are all on his side.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Peacetrain (Original post)

 

Butterflylady

(3,546 posts)
40. That's just what they have concerning politics.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:08 PM
Feb 2020

Imagine what else is out there before the political side of Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,057 posts)
43. I really believe Bernie is pretty well-vetted.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

If I were worried about vetting, I'd look more at Buttigieg and even Klobuchar, just to make sure we don't have anything damaging that GOPers will dig up. Although I feel pretty good about Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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