It's an American tragedy, and I can't blame these people for supporting Sanders.

-Laelth

young college grads expect aren't there.

We definitely need to wipe out or reduce college debt for those who truly can't afford to repay that debt (though not for those who can repay it).

If Sanders ever managed to get MFA passed, there'd be a need for a lot more health care workers -- doctors, nurses, and aides.

But not everyone is suited for that sort of work. Doctors in particular need a lot of training. So do nurses. And while aides can be trained more quickly, anyone who's spent much time visiting older relatives in nursing homes knows how difficult that work can be, and how unlikely it is that very many current college grads would retrain for it. Especially at those wages.

"There are difficulties, but there are always difficulties."

I still feel bad for these people, and it does explain why they support Sanders. In many ways, although I am a bit older than they, I am experiencing the same problems they are ... highly educated and virtually unemployable in this allegedly "great" economy.

-Laelth

consider too menial?

I haven't heard anything from Sanders that begins to explain how to solve that problem.

Honestly, I have no answer. I think a hefty increase in the minimum wage would help, but, beyond that, I got nada. I have not yet heard a proposal from Senator Sanders that addresses (and is likely to fix) the underlying problem, but his current proposals (debt relief, free college, and nationalized health care) address the symptoms of this problem at the very least.

-Laelth

reshaping capitalism. Warren as well. As did Yang.

They are the real realists in my view. Pragmatism has failed quite miserably frankly.

I am well off. None of what they propose will affect me and my wife directly. Maybe it will even take a few dollars out of my pocket. I don't think so, but I'm not concerned about that possibility.

What has been going on the past 45+ years is unsustainable, much like global warming. In my view, we have no realistic option but to revamp capitalism dramatically. I will support candidates who support that, not those who want to continue working around the margins. They -- the self-proclaimed realists, pragmatists, "moderates (they are not moderate, they are right) -- are why we are where we are, and that includes having this incompetent, evil moron in the White House.

Hammer all you want. It won;t make a dent here.

journalists -- high-paying jobs -- to kids who want those professions, when the jobs don't exist now, and what's needed are people to take the jobs that piece says are increasing at the fastest rate?

nearly as impossible or even hard as you might think.

to solve it.

We are talking about Sanders here.

And I can't recall running across anything Sanders has said that provides a real solution for those overeducated, underemployed kids.

they are not what Sanders is all about. Take a look at his website, where he is on the issues and what his proposals are. There's plenty enough there. And don't bother responding "how's he going to achieve" that. That can be said of any candidate. Throughout my adult life, no candidate has spelled out all of the details of implementing their proposals; and, frankly, most have not even followed through with attempts to carry out much of what they did propose.

it, down goes democracy. We are in this precarious state right now because our response to Rethug depravity and system-rigging has been too weak. If politicians are not willing to fight dramatically harder, down we go.

I don't know how true this is but I've heard stories of them counting on him to the point that they're not paying down their debt and using the money for other things.

Both my children need the free college. We all need cheaper health care.

I can see the appeal.

-Laelth

But I thought this was an interesting piece in NY Mag so I posted it here to see what other DUers think.

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foolhardy that individuals can individually adjust and by taking personal responsibility fix how it affects their lives. We need an overhaul. And it's not just kids who think so.

Have you talked to many of those young people who support Sanders. I have. I personally know a fair number of them who do not have any college debt either because they had parents who could afford to cover college costs for them or they didn't go to college.

This argument sounds a lot like the "Obama phones" argument to me.

he was the only candidate in the race who was speaking honestly about some of the structural problems of the American economy and the fact that a significant number of people are increasingly surplus to requirements, as far as the "labour force" goes.

Much more demand and the pay is decent. My 23 yo son went to technical college and is a union electrician now, makes about $75,000 a year starting out with great benefits. The average electrician at his facility grossed $104k last year. His buddies that got into welding and plumbing are doing well also, especially at their ages.