Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI think the rise of Bloomberg shows with no doubt that the
ability to take on Trumpass reigns supreme in peoples minds.
It is not about plans. It is not about policy. It is not about unifying the country.
It is who can kick trumps ass. All candidates should be taking note.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)him is how hes taking it to Trump. Yes, other candidates should develop this tactic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,126 posts)Now that oppo research dragged his skeletons out of where he buried them, he may regret ever jumping in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Best of both worlds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)he could just take his marbles and abandon the playground.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that he was not going to attack Trump from a third party?
And those skeletons were found in rather shallow graves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,126 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JGug1
(320 posts)Easier to take it to Trump when you are self funding yourself with gazillions of dollars.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCjack
(10,279 posts)compared to Trump, Bloomie looks like a saint. And, at this time, it is Bloomie who is punching Trump's fat face, fat breasts, fat heart, fat belly, fat back, fat kidneys, and fat groin and kicking his fat ass. Trump and his RW Red base must be stomped and belittled until THEY are so dispirited that THEY stay home on election day. Bloomie understands.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
in2herbs
(2,945 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tavernier
(12,394 posts)Makes no sense because Rump will use all their words against the one who becomes the candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)and there was no shortage of words from any of them. That was no panacea.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)These candidates are not in the primary fight for health reasons.
They ALL want to be president, and they ALL can't be president, only one can.
So why you expect them to be nice to each other? Kumbaya moment?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)But !
They're too busy attacking Bloomberg, who's attacking Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,956 posts)pie-in-the-sky gimmicks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)that the ability to spend 100's of millions of dollars on TV ads reigns supreme in influencing people.
ALL our candidates have attacked Trump.
Bloomberg's money has just bought him more attention doing so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Elizabeth Warren is the one who takes the brunt of this. Plans got her nowhere. She will be dropping out.
Attacking trump is what people want to see. People want the bully defeated.
And no our candidates, besides Bloomberg, couldnt figure out how to do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lonestarblue
(10,028 posts)Hillary had enough policies for ten candidates, yet Trump won on a few simple phrases like MAGA, build the wall, and only he could change the country back to the one white people wanted. If Trump had actual policies, I dont remember them. Rather, he used 5th grade name calling to belittle people, and used his rallies to rail against Democrats and liberals. His supporters at least thought he was entertaining. I personally thought at the time, and still do, that he is a gross lying piece of crud. But he won with essentially no policies. Bloomberg is making promises about healthcare without going into great detail about the what and when. He is also punching Trump in the gut, just where it hurts his pitiful snowflake ego.
I was just listening to an NPR segment on voting, and the guest (I didnt get a name) was saying that many people think that politics is boring and they just dont get interested enough to bother voting. He gave an example of the Massachusetts election of Scott Brown. Even though it was important for Democrats to hold onto the 60-seat count in the Senate, Democrats who had come out to vote for Obama just stayed home, allowing a Republican to take this seat in blue Massachusetts. His point was that people get energized to vote when a rock star candidate is on the ballot. Who is our rock star?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)as the geek will stand there with their facts/policies etc and the bully will just gaslight and namecall.
Voters feel afraid and are looking to see who can deal with the type of ugliness that Trump can dish out.
Bloomberg, with his gravitas/money and willingess to deploy it towards the singular task of taking out Trump - appeals to many voters in this regard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)All I require in Tramp's replacement:
1. Will sign any hard fought for Democratic Party championed legislation that will get through Congress.
2. Will VETO any Republican led legislation the same.
3. Will make smart appointments.
4. Will reverse the damage of trump executive orders, and reinstate each and every fucking one Tramp cancelled from Obama just to add salt to it.
5. Will focus on foreign policy with a smartly selected cabinet that starts repairing our image abroad.
Frankly, I feel fairly confident in all of our primary candidates for meeting the 5 requirements I have..
So.. go after trump hard, and my support is yours. Bloomy's the one that's doing it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)and the new-con agenda.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,957 posts)I want them punished. I want an example made if them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)is a fool not to ignore Bloomberg too. The exception, of course, being Joe Biden, who hasn't shown the temperament to get under Trump's skin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Biden didnt attack back. He just said yeah hes bad but lets unite. People are good at heart.
Just didnt cut the mustard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Restandvest
(7 posts)The only one firing bombs at Trump is Bloomberg. The other candidates are repeating the same losing mantra we heard in 2016, "when they go low, we go high". You're not going to win that way. Call Trump a clown and go after his orange face. Drive him crazy. Bernie and everyone else keeps calling him a billionaire and it buys into the hype that he's actually a billionaire which he isn't, where Bloomberg is saying he's not a billionaire. We look like a bunch of push-overs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
spooky3
(34,461 posts)Calling for impeachment very early on, and calling Trump incompetent etc. in his ads. So far he has not caught on with Dem voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Restandvest
(7 posts)Nobody knows who Steyer is
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Butterflylady
(3,546 posts)That's why in a lot of polls Sanders is ahead. They remember him from 2016. Hell, if I didn't follow politics I wouldn't know 2/3s of the candidates or even where they come from.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)focused DUers said he was trying to run the GE prematurely. His speech after El Paso made major points about Trumps moral unfitness to lead America and the world.
If you havent followed his speeches, interviews, and ads, please dont comment. No other candidate was putting as much time or energy into attacking Trump, but were totally engrossed in
policy wars.
Maybe you need to watch Bidens first launch ad. Some came late to the pivotal role of Charlottesville in establishing who Trump is. But Biden made it the ads centerpiece. Much much later it was picked up by others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Trump at a time others were not. Trump had great vitriol for Biden and kept his powder dry in the rest of the candidates. It is Joe who told u# that though we could restore our country after for years of Trump, eight years could damage us irrevocably.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)by focusing on trump...and diminishing trump
Bloomberg is not attacking the democrats.
If democrats had an effective strategy and nominee to win against Trump, then Bloomberg would be irrelevant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)Is he my ideal candidate? Far from it. Does he stand a chance against Trump? Definitely
I think there is a substantial portion of Republican voters who would feel comfortable to vote for Bloomberg. And I think that OUR candidate will need to be someone who can attract some republican voters in crucial states to get over the 270 EC threshold.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dietz
(65 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Frasier Balzov
(2,659 posts)perverse enablers in the Senate thrown in for good measure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)one accepts an endorsement of wealth worship and white, male superiority, maybe. This is driven by toxic cultural influences and solidifies the quality of Trumpism as a norm.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boston bean
(36,222 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)everything else doesn't really matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fla Dem
(23,706 posts)and denigrating them, they should be promoting their own plans. But also kicking the shit out of Donald Trump, his whole administration (Betsy DeVos, Bill Barr et al) and the compliant ass kissing Republican senators led by Mitch McConnell. This would fire up the electorate who gag on the thought of Donald Trump getting another 4 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)My landscaper / gardener is originally from Mexico. I have known him since the mid-80s. He and his wife run their business, and we always have great discussions when they come to my house
And of course they are against Trump. We always get into politics a little bit every time they are here.
So this time they asked me what I thought about Mike.
And for about a minute I couldn't connect Mike and Bloomberg, and then it finally hit me who they were talking about.
They didn't know his last name, but they knew his commercials. The commercials alone got them to pay attention to him. Where I live, Bloomberg ads are on TV constantly. I am guessing no matter where you are in the United States, you are experiencing the same thing.
Anyway, I thought it was interesting that his commercials are working. People who had never heard of him are sitting up and taking notice. And I have a feeling he's going to get a couple of votes from my friends.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
alarimer
(16,245 posts)As a party and a nation. One oligarch versus another. If he gets the nomination, Im dropping my affiliation for sure as a Democrat. He is a Republican and has governed as one (kind of a Rockefeller Republican, but they were kind of terrible too).
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,956 posts)everything is rigged if Democrats dont open the party to him, which they call Independent. Now that others like Bloomberg have figured out that scheme, they are using it, too. Cant have it both ways. It looks like Bloomberg is beating Bernie at his own game.
Imagine how many millions of voters would become Independent if they are faced with socialism and how it will be framed by the opposition. Look what happened to Warrens poll numbers when she started applying costs to her plans...something Bernie has avoided. Republicans will fill in those blanks, we can count on that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I have no idea if he would win or not. But picking another immoral piece of shit billionaire is a non-starter for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CousinIT
(9,251 posts)No response (direct or otherwise) from any of them. They do not seem to be IN this fight or they do not recognize that TRUMP is their only opponent and that BULLYING him - I mean punching him HARD with FACTS (not propaganda, lies or bullshit) about his mobster, criminal behavior is more important in this election than their individual policy plans. Only Bloomberg gets it. Only Bloomberg is DOING it.
WTF.
@DNC @ewarren @JoeBiden @PeteButtigieg @amyklobuchar @BernieSanders @tomsteyer @mikebloomberg @tomperez
"Republicans treat life like a battle. Democrats treat it like a cause. Republicans use Democrats' strength against them. Democrats never learn." - some smarmy jackass on a TV show called "The Good Fight".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Benedict Donald, Dimwit Donnie etc. But how come we cant come up with a name that sticks to him like his names stick to Dems. Something that attacks his fake wealth and ignorance would be good. And how come none of these billionaires cant get the goods on guys like Lindy Graham, Jordan, Nunez etc. Im sure if you put a tail on any one of these guys for a week or two you can get a lot of dirt. Like the Ken Lancôme (sp?) did to Spitzer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Traildogbob
(8,762 posts)We have to out fund, Murdock, Kochs, Russia, Saudies, NRA, Turkey, Exxon, Religion, and all GOP billionaires. We did not create this playing field. Mom and pop Donors will not be able to defeat this evil. The billion dollar Depth Star propaganda site ran by Pascal alone will be hard to match. Bloomberg is willing to spend, donate to down tickets, and continue even if he is not the nominee. We have no problem spending $800 plus billion a year to defend our country. War ain't cheap. And we are at war with the entire GOP machine. If you hate Bloomberg, open your wallet, and help match the weapon of our enemy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)forefront, so far ahead in the polls for all those months before a first vote. It wiped out some good people like Harris. We went for who we thought would best beat Trump, not on the candidate. But ultimately that comes back and gets us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)throw out long held principles just to get rid of him at all costs even if this means electing someone like Bloomberg.
Myself, I want to get rid of trump just as much as anyone else does but I also want to uphold my principles. I don't for a minute believe that Bloomberg is the only one who can beat Trump. In fact I think that he would lose to Trump because so much of the Democratic base would be disillusioned if he of all people should get the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,055 posts)So I will consider him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)I am going more by his record and not so much what he might be saying now. But of course I will vote for him in November if it comes to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,055 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)consider an unapologetic racist will be the worst thing we could do. But our willingness to do so in itself will ruin our party and any credibility we have in making a case against Trump. In the end, Bloomberg will lose us the election. Thus, we will have sacrificed several excellent candidates only to get four more years of Trump. And be left with a severely damaged party.
PS Yeah, he apologized when he decided to run. Up to that time he defended Stop and Frisk and laughed at the idea of apologizing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)We have a lunatic madman in the WH being propped up by an equally crooked and compromised senate majority. They are dismantling democracy and the rule of law as we know it and we need to get rid of them before we won't be able to do anything anymore. Policies won't matter in 10 yrs when we have devolved into concentration camps and everyone of color is enslaved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pandr32
(11,594 posts)Once we have the Oval and Senate back whoever presides (Bloomberg may make it) can then allow 'the People" to have their voices heard after we are safely free from Trump.
We need to right this ship before it is too late. A mistake would end our America. We should not be talking about free college or medicare for all right now. Our focus has to be to topple the authoritarian government that has been forming right under our noses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(31,030 posts)And non disclosure agreements. I guess we dont care about the morals and character of our elected representatives anymore. And would he divest of his international business interests? Im not ready to get on this bandwagon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karin_sj
(811 posts)At least Bloomberg has the financial resources (and the fortitude) to put up a huge legal fight if the Republicans manage to steal this election and not give up too soon as has happened too often in the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(31,030 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Constitutional rights of black and Latinx youth and of Muslims. His two sweeping programs denied these two groups their civil liberties. Stop and Frisk was declared unconstitutional. The FBI got him
to stop his spy and surveillance program against Muslims.
He has said he believes as needed that we should change our laws and our interpretation of the constitution. He did exactly that in New York.
What will he do on a national level in the guise of a crime fighting measure or counter-terrorism?
His racist belief system, anti-civil liberties stance, close association with Republican policies and people, and blatant women-hating should disqualify him from running as a Democratic candidate.
He is a dangerous man clothed as a savior.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Bloomberg. It will be feared that he will come after swing state gun owners, but this time white ones. He is unlikable as he has bought his support. His tenure in New York will be used against him.
My thinking is fine thank you and I am not selling my soul. Bloomberg would suppress the GE vote. Many will sit home.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Always Randy
(1,059 posts)Especially if they do good works.
Bloomberg has pledged to give 'nearly all" of his fortune to good causes. Most billionaires, including fellow media mogul Rupert Murdoch, tend to keep their money and leave it to their descendants.
Others like Bloomberg, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates do the same.
I am not wealthy , but I have spent a career interacting with wealthy people. It is true that money is not one of their problems. But there is a plethora of emotional and personal interactions with others that in those instances they wish they were us.
I assure you that wealth does not buy happiness.
It might be a good idea this time around to let Trump compete with his master. oF ALL OF THE CANDIDATES THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN-----AND HAS---PUT Trump IN HIS PLACE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrispyQ
(36,484 posts)I will probably vote for him in the primary because of this singular reason. I think he is the one candidate the Con is least prepared to run against. To those who say he's buying our democracy, I say it's already been bought. Let's buy it back. Now is not the time to go high.
His daughters sound pretty awesome, not at all like the grifter Con kids.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a25804827/michael-bloomberg-georgina-emma-daughters-children/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Walleye
(31,030 posts)We havent seen the oppo research. Im just not so sure he would win. The other side seems to have unlimited funds as well, from the wealthy buying favors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)the fascists win either way. They get to keep their riches & economic power while screwing we the people. Bloomberg isn't my primary choice but if he wins the nomination so be it, I will vote for him and hope some of the progressive wave has washed over him, moving him closer to the left. George Washington's net worth was $525,000,000 in today's dollars
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Between these candidates including Bloomberg. I would say they probably agree on 90% of the issues. With Bloomberg you get a media savvy billionaire with his own deep pockets making him independent of any special interest because he can self finance everything. All those resources can be focused on down ballot candidates. Rolling out massive structural changes to the economy (Medicare for all) is just not a wise move at this time and seems to add a lot of unnecessary
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)We don't like that (most of us).
We like the candidate that takes on trump and the republican office holders who carry his water.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,756 posts)You dont put bandages somewhere hoping it helps, no matter what vibrant colors or interesting patterns they have on them...you go after the cancer.
We need to go after the cancer in the White House and get rid of it...now!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evolve Dammit
(16,747 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
titanicdave
(429 posts).......We absolutely.....must..... kick..... t-RUMP's.....ass squarely out of the Oval Office......therefore:.....VOTE.....BLUE.....NO.....MATTER.....WHO.....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)From what I heard from last night's debate, Bloomberg has many more skeletons in the closet than I had heard before. His debating skills were less than all other 5 on the stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)before we worry about what new laws will look like. It's a simple concept, there is no point to making new policy if the orange scum gets to decide which policy gets implemented.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joinfortmill
(14,439 posts)we're screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,679 posts)Democrats are laser focused on the current situation and how to extract the cancer that is destroying our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,315 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Like the dumpster...Bloomberg changes party affiliation for political gain...and has a ton of bucks to run as whatever he decides
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,836 posts)This is not an ordinary election.
Despite the pundits and talking heads, the 'beating Trump's ass' has been at the forefront of the primary and will continue throughout. Because we're fighting for our lives as a country, a people. Most Dem voters know, regardless of Trump and his pals skating around the rule of law, that this Administration is an organized criminal enterprise, that our institutions are being deliberately and systematically dissembled by a bunch of crooks and ideologues.
Losing is not an option if we want a future. 2020 will be a referendum on Donald Trump and his cabal, not policy or elaborate legislative plans.
Wake up, America! We've only 9 months to put this right. The ultimate result will be rebirth or a final kiss goodbye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden