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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:27 PM Feb 2020

Mike Bloomberg in 2010 called Obamacare legislation 'a disgrace'

Mike Bloomberg in 2010 called Obamacare legislation 'a disgrace' and 'another program that's going to cost a lot of money'
By Andrew Kaczynski and Em Steck, CNN

Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg said the final Obamacare bill would do "absolutely nothing to fix the big health care problems" and also called the program "a disgrace" in comments made in 2010, just months after the law's passage.

Speaking at Dartmouth College in July of that year, Bloomberg added that law was just "another program that's going to cost a lot more money."
It is just one of several comments from Bloomberg identified by CNN's KFile criticizing the landmark Affordable Care Act in the years following its passage, including saying the bill was "really dysfunctional" and did nothing to solve rising health care costs.

Now, a decade later, as he hopes to become the Democratic presidential nominee, Bloomberg has fully embraced the Affordable Care Act, even proposing an additional "Medicare-like public option" that builds on the law.

At the time Bloomberg made his remarks, the law was seen as a political liability for Democrats, and Republicans were campaigning heavily against the bill on their way to victories in the 2010 midterm elections. Bloomberg, who was initially elected as a Republican, was governing as an independent at the time of his remarks. (He re-registered as a Democrat in 2018.)
"We passed a health care bill that does absolutely nothing to fix the big health care problems in this country. It is just a disgrace," said Bloomberg at the Dartmouth Presidential Lecture in 2010. "The President, in all fairness, started out by pointing out what the big problems were, but then turned it over to Congress, which didn't pay any attention to any of those big problems and just created another program that's going to cost a lot of money."

Much more at the link:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/16/politics/kfile-bloomberg-called-obamacare-a-disgrace/index.html
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Mike Bloomberg in 2010 called Obamacare legislation 'a disgrace' (Original Post) DesertRat Feb 2020 OP
Yeah, I remember Mikey and all the other reTHUGS spouting the same line. What an uncouth abqtommy Feb 2020 #1
This quote/OP is HIGHLY misleading: Bloomberg supported the House ACA version andym Feb 2020 #2
Thanks Kaleva Feb 2020 #3
Great response andy madeup64 Feb 2020 #4
There is a lot of that going on. squirecam Feb 2020 #6
Thanks! andym Feb 2020 #7
So who are you accusing of cherry picking and manipulating? DesertRat Feb 2020 #11
The CNN article is purposely misleading, but includes the actual information providing context andym Feb 2020 #16
Do you understand the DU copyright policy? DesertRat Feb 2020 #17
The copyright policy is clear, BUT you can summarize without andym Feb 2020 #18
who cares evertonfc Feb 2020 #5
The OP left out a lot of stuff as one poster pointed out. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #9
The OP was following DU's copyright policy DesertRat Feb 2020 #14
A person can snip to tell a full story or chose another route. Blue_true Feb 2020 #20
I always post the first 4 paragraphs DesertRat Feb 2020 #21
I never have liked this guy. Doreen Feb 2020 #8
He's running as a "moderate" now competing in the primaries. What happens if he gets the nomination? Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #10
After Congress got to it, it really wasn't what it should have been gollygee Feb 2020 #12
Who does this man remind me of - publicly criticizing everything Obama did - always hounding him? Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #13
I can think of more than one. nt DesertRat Feb 2020 #15
Kudos to DUer andym who, in post #2, set the OP straight. Kaleva Feb 2020 #19
 

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. Yeah, I remember Mikey and all the other reTHUGS spouting the same line. What an uncouth
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:31 PM
Feb 2020

bunch.

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andym

(5,443 posts)
2. This quote/OP is HIGHLY misleading: Bloomberg supported the House ACA version
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:35 PM
Feb 2020

I read the linked article beyond your cherry-picked quote. It stated some of his reasoning
""It's really sad because they say they've insured or provided coverage for another 45 million people," Bloomberg added in the speech. "Except there's no doctors for 45 million more people and unless they fix immigration and let people who come here for medical education stay here, those people are just going to do the same thing. They're going to have to go to the emergency rooms where they've been except that now it's going to cost a lot more money."

then,
"The campaign noted Bloomberg's support of efforts to reform health care in early 2009 and a press release in support of the House version of the Affordable Care Act the day before it was passed. The campaign also pointed to an op-ed Bloomberg wrote in 2009 where he appears to be supportive of the House bill that was being crafted around that time"

So he supported the House version, you know the one with the public option! So, he did not like the final version because of the compromises-- a lot of us feel the same way.

And I dont support Bloomberg at all- I like Warren, who has quite a different policiy take-- but this kind of political assassination by editing of history is ugly.

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madeup64

(257 posts)
4. Great response andy
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:48 PM
Feb 2020

Would probably rather see anyone else running win the nomination except Bloomberg (ok Tulsi too) but we are supposed to care about facts and truth. Plenty of things to criticize Bloomberg for, no need to twist the truth.

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squirecam

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6. There is a lot of that going on.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:51 PM
Feb 2020

Drive by smears without context.

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andym

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7. Thanks!
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:25 AM
Feb 2020

It really bothers me when there are attempts to flat out manipulate folks. As you say there are plenty of actual things to criticize Bloomberg about. I am always glad to see people seeking out the truth.

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DesertRat

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11. So who are you accusing of cherry picking and manipulating?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:11 AM
Feb 2020

Me or the authors of the CNN article?

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andym

(5,443 posts)
16. The CNN article is purposely misleading, but includes the actual information providing context
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

outside of its attention-grabbing focus.
The OP doesn't bother with the exculpatory material, except to say there is "much more" at the link.
I figured it was even worse than what was posted--imagine my surprise to find Bloomberg had supported the House version of the ACA.

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DesertRat

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17. Do you understand the DU copyright policy?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:32 PM
Feb 2020

I can add more in other posts

Like this from 2011


And this from 2014

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andym

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18. The copyright policy is clear, BUT you can summarize without
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:11 PM
Feb 2020

direct quotation as much as you like! AND everyone should try to communicate as accurately and fairly as possible. My recommendation is to update your OP to include the whole picture.

That Bloomberg did not like the final version of the ACA is clear: it's the context that he DID actually like the idea of the ACA in some form, and in fact he did support the House version which was more liberal as well as better constructed financially really changes how I and many others here would characterize his criticism.

As for Bloomberg himself, I don't like his warmed-over policies, nor his supporting Republicans, and the tinge of racism/sexism that surrounds him (though how much of problem this is awaits further elucidation), so I would have been quite sympathetic to the article's POV had it been justified. Now I give him more credit thanks to your OP--though I am FAR from supporting him. In fact Amy, your preferred candidate is my number 2, for her pragmatic approach.

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evertonfc

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5. who cares
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 11:50 PM
Feb 2020

we wanna beat Trump. Amy is done. Move on to a Democratic socialist if you like but enough with the Bloomberg slander.

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Blue_true

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9. The OP left out a lot of stuff as one poster pointed out. nt
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:04 AM
Feb 2020
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DesertRat

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14. The OP was following DU's copyright policy
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:17 AM
Feb 2020

It is a very long report. Read it all at the link.

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Blue_true

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20. A person can snip to tell a full story or chose another route.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:06 PM
Feb 2020

The copyright policy is no excuse.

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DesertRat

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21. I always post the first 4 paragraphs
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:59 PM
Feb 2020

But feel free to pick through and snip the parts that you like and post them.

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Doreen

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8. I never have liked this guy.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 12:40 AM
Feb 2020
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Tom Rinaldo

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10. He's running as a "moderate" now competing in the primaries. What happens if he gets the nomination?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:06 AM
Feb 2020

Given all of Bloomberg's views expressed for years, compared to what he now is saying after he decided to seek the Democratic nomination, where will he come down on issues when it is time to "run to the center" if he does secure the nomination? We don't get a do over if he changes course.

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gollygee

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12. After Congress got to it, it really wasn't what it should have been
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:13 AM
Feb 2020

The original plan was much better. He's right about it - what ended up passing does nothing to fix the big health problems in this country.

"The President, in all fairness, started out by pointing out what the big problems were, but then turned it over to Congress, which didn't pay any attention to any of those big problems and just created another program that's going to cost a lot of money."

That quote is right on the money. There are good parts to it but it is not at all what it should be.

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Skya Rhen

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13. Who does this man remind me of - publicly criticizing everything Obama did - always hounding him?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:15 AM
Feb 2020
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DesertRat

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15. I can think of more than one. nt
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:51 AM
Feb 2020
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Kaleva

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19. Kudos to DUer andym who, in post #2, set the OP straight.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020
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