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🔥 THE MOST DIVERSE COALITION IN POLITICS: BAY AREA RALLIES WITH BERNIE (Original Post) Donkees Feb 2020 OP
Is America ready for a 'Socialist revolution"? left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #1
We already had it, "Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor" it's just a matter Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #2
Democratic socialist I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2020 #8
Sanders certainly isn't offering that. David__77 Feb 2020 #14
K&R CentralMass Feb 2020 #3
According to whom? George II Feb 2020 #4
So far, polls and election results. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #5
... Donkees Feb 2020 #6
Woohoo!! HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #7
:) Donkees Feb 2020 #10
A diverse coalition who lives in a bubble is still doomed. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #9
Funny how that bubble keeps growing larger. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #12
Meanwhile in reality Mr. Sanders support has declined and if it were not for the split field UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #13
Sure, sure. HerbChestnut Feb 2020 #15
Danny Glover -didn't expect him to introduce Sanders lunasun Feb 2020 #11
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
1. Is America ready for a 'Socialist revolution"?
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:08 PM
Feb 2020
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Uncle Joe

(58,363 posts)
2. We already had it, "Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor" it's just a matter
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:23 PM
Feb 2020

for the rest of America to join the party.



(snip)

Andrew Young has been cited for calling the United States system “socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor”, and Martin Luther King, Jr. frequently used this wording in his speeches.[5][6] Since at least 1969, Gore Vidal used the expression “free enterprise for the poor and socialism for the rich” to describe the U.S. economic policies,[7][8] and he used it from the 1980s in his critiques of Reaganomics.[9]

In winter 2006/2007, in response to criticism about oil imports from Venezuela, that country being under the leadership of Hugo Chávez, the founder and president of Citizens Energy Corporation Joseph P. Kennedy II countered with a critique of the U.S. system which he characterized as “a kind of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor that leaves the most vulnerable out in the cold”.[10] Also Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has become known for expressing to large audiences that the United States is now a land of “socialism for the rich and brutal capitalism for the poor”.[11]

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Linguist Noam Chomsky has criticized the way in which free market principles have been applied. He has argued that the wealthy use free-market rhetoric to justify imposing greater economic risk upon the lower classes, while being insulated from the rigours of the market by the political and economic advantages that such wealth affords.[13] He remarked, "the free market is socialism for the rich—[free] markets for the poor and state protection for the rich."[14] He has stated that the rich and powerful "want to be able to run the nanny state" so that "when they are in trouble the taxpayer will bail them out", citing "too big to fail" as an example.[15]

Arguments along a similar line were raised in connection with the financial turmoil in 2008. With regard to the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Ron Blackwell, chief economist of AFL-CIO, used the expression “Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor” to characterize the system.[16] In September 2008, the US Senator Bernie Sanders said regarding the bailout of the U.S. financial system: “This is the most extreme example that I can recall of socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor”.[17] The same month, economist Nouriel Roubini stated: “It is pathetic that Congress did not consult any of the many professional economists that have presented […] alternative plans that were more fair and efficient and less costly ways to resolve this crisis. This is again a case of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses; a bailout and socialism for the rich, the well-connected and Wall Street”.[18]

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Journalist John Pilger included the phrase in his speech accepting Australia's human rights award, the Sydney Peace Prize, on 5th November 2009: "Democracy has become a business plan, with a bottom line for every human activity, every dream, every decency, every hope. The main parliamentary parties are now devoted to the same economic policies - socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor - and the same foreign policy of servility to endless war. This is not democracy. It is to politics what McDonald's is to food."[20]

U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders referenced the phrase during his eight-and-a-half-hour speech on the senate floor on December 10, 2010 against the continuation of Bush-era tax cuts, when speaking on the federal bailout of major financial institutions at a time when small-businesses were being denied loans. [21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_for_the_rich_and_capitalism_for_the_poor


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I_UndergroundPanther

(12,470 posts)
8. Democratic socialist
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:52 PM
Feb 2020

Is not communism or total socialism. I wish people would get that and do a little research for what Democratic socialism really is instead of treating people who understand this as if they're stupid.
This irritates me.

Argue from a point of knowledge not of knee jerk reactions.

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David__77

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14. Sanders certainly isn't offering that.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:17 PM
Feb 2020

Never once has had said in his campaign that he offers “socialist revolution” “Revolution” has been used by plenty of candidates.

Some people may be surprised to realize that there are many people to the “left” of Sanders.

Tony Blair was socialist leader of Britain- he hardly led a socialist revolution.

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HerbChestnut

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5. So far, polls and election results.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:37 PM
Feb 2020
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
9. A diverse coalition who lives in a bubble is still doomed. nt
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020
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HerbChestnut

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12. Funny how that bubble keeps growing larger.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:08 PM
Feb 2020
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
13. Meanwhile in reality Mr. Sanders support has declined and if it were not for the split field
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:11 PM
Feb 2020

in the realist/adult wing of the party he would be ghost. And bubbles are also prone to bursting....so there's that.

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lunasun

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11. Danny Glover -didn't expect him to introduce Sanders
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:05 PM
Feb 2020
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