Democratic Primaries

DanTex

(20,709 posts) Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:41 PM Feb 2020

The whole "vetting" thing.

I hear people complain that Bernie isn't "vetted", and then list things that should be "vetted" about him, like what he said about Castro 40 years ago, or some rape fantasy essay he wrote also 40 years ago, or his honeymoon, etc. Which, first off, looks to me he actually has been "vetted," because everyone complaining already knows all the smears, it's just that only anti-Bernie people care about them.

People say "just wait until the GOP unloads on him." Yes, that will happen. It will happen to any candidate. Surely "vetting" doesn't mean people want fellow Dems to start running GOP-style smears against each other, just to see how it goes.

For example, we all know the GOP is going to run ads about Hunter Biden. But I, for one, am extremely happy that none of the Dems have done that. Not even in the "vetting" sense of "I know this Hunter Biden thing is total bullshit, but this is what the GOP is going to say, so let's talk about it."

The GOP will engage in dishonest attacks and smears. The Dems should not do that to each other, even in the name of "vetting". So kudos to all the campaigns for staying away from all that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The whole "vetting" thing. (Original Post) DanTex Feb 2020 OP

There is honest/factual shit out about Sanders that the voters have no idea about. Big difference. krissey Feb 2020 #1

Is this part of that "two foot thick" binder thingy? Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #2

That's gotta be a hoax. They aren't worried about Bernie! LOLOLOLOL floppyboo Feb 2020 #6

The GOP sure isn't... ehrnst Feb 2020 #9

That doesn't exist. ehrnst Feb 2020 #12

So why isn't the GOP unloading on Bernie now, like they are on Biden? ehrnst Feb 2020 #3

Cause they want him to win because they have a two foot thick binder thingy on Sanders? krissey Feb 2020 #5

There is Nothing Horizens Feb 2020 #4

The crazy thing is, only Sanders can legit hold all of Trumps KaKa up to his nose. floppyboo Feb 2020 #7

Yes... that's totally why they're attacking Biden, and promoting Bernie as a victim who just can't ehrnst Feb 2020 #8

Yes. I find the alternating between claims "It's all a nothingburger" and "DAMNED LIES AND SMEARS!" ehrnst Feb 2020 #10

Yeah, that whole Ukraine quid pro quo thingy proves that the GOP thinks they can whip Biden ehrnst Feb 2020 #11

It was fine to vet Biden treestar Feb 2020 #13

His five votes against the Brady Bill, his vote to protect gun manufacturers, AND his vote against.. George II Feb 2020 #14

Good story..... n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #15

If they're keeping shit in a two foot binder they sound pretty incompetent. David__77 Feb 2020 #16

krissey

(1,205 posts)

1. There is honest/factual shit out about Sanders that the voters have no idea about. Big difference.

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:47 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)

2. Is this part of that "two foot thick" binder thingy? Lol.

Reply to krissey (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:48 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)

6. That's gotta be a hoax. They aren't worried about Bernie! LOLOLOLOL

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:51 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

9. The GOP sure isn't...

Reply to floppyboo (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:57 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

12. That doesn't exist.

Reply to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:05 PM

Feb 2020

Just ask the GOP...

They're so scared of Bernie becoming nominee. They're treating him even worse than BIDEN!!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/team-that-rigged-gop-primaries-accuses-democrats-rigging-iowa-against-sanders/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-claim-pelosi-intentionally-helping-biden-and-hurting-bernie-sanders-2020-1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

3. So why isn't the GOP unloading on Bernie now, like they are on Biden?

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:48 PM

Feb 2020

And in fact, promoting Bernie? If they're going to "do the same to every candidate" why this coddling of one candidate and blasting another? Perhaps they have a favorite choice for Dem nominee?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/team-that-rigged-gop-primaries-accuses-democrats-rigging-iowa-against-sanders/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-claim-pelosi-intentionally-helping-biden-and-hurting-bernie-sanders-2020-1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

The GOP will engage in dishonest attacks and smears. The Dems should not do that to each other, even in the name of "vetting".

False equivalence.

What "dishonest attacks and smears" have been applied to Bernie?

Just because they make you unhappy doesn't make them dishonest, attacks or smears.

I noticed that you didn't hesitate to slide a Hunter Biden 'dishonest attack and smear' into your post. Interesting how you try to equate the false smears on Biden with the "vetting" - facts coming to light about Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

krissey

(1,205 posts)

5. Cause they want him to win because they have a two foot thick binder thingy on Sanders?

Reply to ehrnst (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:50 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Horizens

(637 posts)

4. There is Nothing

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:49 PM

Feb 2020

in any candidates background that is as remotely devastating in comparison to what the reps have on sanders.

Hunter Biden is a nothing burger (even the reps know that)

The sanders "stuff" is real (often on video) and devastating.

Call me crazy but I don't think Klobucher bashing her staff is in the same league with a video of
sanders smiling and clapping at a Sandinista rally while the speaker shouts "death to Yankees."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)

7. The crazy thing is, only Sanders can legit hold all of Trumps KaKa up to his nose.

Reply to Horizens (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:54 PM

Feb 2020

And Trump knows it. And I think most Dems know it too. It just would mean a few people who control the message would have to walk their walk and talk their talk.
For instance, the Sandinista thing - did any Dem cry over the Iran/Contra scandal being called out? Did you cry a bit for brave Ollie?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

8. Yes... that's totally why they're attacking Biden, and promoting Bernie as a victim who just can't

Reply to floppyboo (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:56 PM

Feb 2020

get a break... You've been listening to too much Karl Rove. Bernie is their dream candidate.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/20/18508880/karl-rove-bernie-sanders-could-beat-donald-trump-in-2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/team-that-rigged-gop-primaries-accuses-democrats-rigging-iowa-against-sanders/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-claim-pelosi-intentionally-helping-biden-and-hurting-bernie-sanders-2020-1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/us/politics/trump-sanders-bloomberg-2020.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/07/bernie-sanders-republican-senate-1307296

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

10. Yes. I find the alternating between claims "It's all a nothingburger" and "DAMNED LIES AND SMEARS!"

Reply to Horizens (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:58 PM

Feb 2020

of the vetting of Sanders can give one whiplash...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)

11. Yeah, that whole Ukraine quid pro quo thingy proves that the GOP thinks they can whip Biden

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:00 PM

Feb 2020

in the GE.

And their whole handling of Bernie with kid gloves, and talking about how he's "being treated unfairly by the Democratic establishment!!!" just shows how much they don't want him to be the nominee.

Makes total sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

treestar

(82,383 posts)

13. It was fine to vet Biden

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:07 PM

Feb 2020

That was what was said if Biden's supporters complained. Vetting was completely accepted until it was Bernie's turn.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

George II

(67,782 posts)

14. His five votes against the Brady Bill, his vote to protect gun manufacturers, AND his vote against..

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:13 PM

Feb 2020

...Amber Alerts happened much more recently than 40 years ago.

His votes against the Magnitsky Act and Russia sanctions occurred much more recently than 40 years ago.

His refusal to participate in the vote for sanctions against Oleg Deripaska (99 others participated) was barely a year ago.

His absence for votes in the Senate for more than six months (late June 2019 through early January 2020) was much more recent than 40 years ago.

Why should Americans support someone for a new job when he's been absent from his current job (at $174,000 / year)?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)

15. Good story..... n/t

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:26 PM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

David__77

(23,418 posts)

16. If they're keeping shit in a two foot binder they sound pretty incompetent.

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:13 PM

Feb 2020

One can hope, I suppose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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