Democratic Primaries
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Bloomberg called paid sick "a godawful law," & Living wage reminds Bloomberg of Soviet communism; he says he'll stop it in court if he has to...
Asked about the city's "living wage" legislation during his regular Friday morning radio appearance on WOR, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said, "The last time we really had a big managed economy was the USSR."
On Wednesday night, City Council speaker Christine Quinn announced that negotiations were finally complete on a living wage bill that would require some recipients of large economic development subsidies to pay their employees at least $10 an hour.
Quinn calls it "the most impactful living-wage law in the United States," but experts say it will actually impact about 500 workers a year.
Even so, today, Bloomberg compared the legislation to communism and said he would veto the bill and if the veto is overridden, his administration will file a lawsuit.
"It's interesting if you think about it," said the mayor. "The last time we really had a big managed economy was the USSR and that didn't work out so well."
"It would be great if all jobs in the city paid a lot of money and had great benefits for the workers. Not good for the employers. But if you force that you will just drive businesses out of the city."
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2012/04/living-wage-reminds-bloomberg-of-soviet-communism-he-says-hell-stop-it-in-court-if-he-has-to-003389
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)That is all that matters right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Gotta defeat Sanders first, otherwise defeating Trump is moot. There is no way for Sanders to win if he is nominated, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)knock Bernie out? FYI. He won't knock Bernie out and he won't beat Trump in the GE.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Sanders would lose badly.
So badly that Trump would regain full control of all three branches of government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)a lot of people from the party's left wing will be pissed. They won't vote for Trump but they won't be very enthusiastic about Bloomberg. And if the party's base is not enthused we lose in November because we cannot win without the solid support of the base. And we know that the zombies in Trump's base will be voting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)So the childish left won't make a difference.
If we have to depend upon undependable voters, we are doomed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)factor. Trump has a very high approval with Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)simply because... Bloomberg.
That seems a real dice roll, especially as Rump is rolling at 95% or so approval ratings with Rethugs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)down a couple of Democratic hopefuls. I think someone, somewhere, is kicking themselves for their miscalculations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)None.
There is at least a 50% chance that he hands Trump the first unanimous Electoral College win since Washington, though.
There is no way this country will elect a man with his baggage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)DC won't go for anything other than a Democratic candidate, so that makes unanimous impossible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)You'll be crying on November 4 if Sanders is nominated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)the entire world will be cringing in terror at a second Trump term because there is no way Sanders can defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)There is no way that any Republican could beat Bernie in California, New York and a few other blue states. Suggesting that Bernie would get zero electoral votes is ludicrous. But it could be a close election overall and we will need to be sure that our base is energized.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)absurd. As if DC, California, Hawai'i, etc etc etc are going to vote for Trump. Pure tosh. Peak tosh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)If anybody could hand a Republican a unanimous EC win, it's Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)I guarantee a blowout of epic proportions should he be nominated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)you said he would literally get ZERO EV's
four
fyra
quatre
cuatro
vier
percent of DC voted for Trump in 2016
the odds of Trump winning there in 2020 are less than the odds of me sprouting wings and flying across the Baltic
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)"There is at least a 50% chance that he hands Trump the first unanimous Electoral College win since Washington, though."
50% is not absolute.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)I have never been a Sanders fan, but I am also not a fan of ridiculous statements.
Done here, as this is beyond tedious.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I moved nothing
I did not have to
I never said anything that inferred it was an absolute
but
yes
I will do so now
a 50% chance of Trump winning 540 to Zero in the EV count, regardless of which one of the remaining candidates we nominate, is absolute tosh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)I am right. You are wrong. It is documented above.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)on it being an absolute statement by you
a 50% chance (what you said) of Trump winning EVERY EV is pure folly
you were bested here
accept your loss and move on
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)I did no such thing.
You took something I clearly stated was a chance and made it into a "literal" absolut.
I am right, you are wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)a fantasy.
In fact you said AT LEAST 50%, meaning it could be even a higher probability.
You saying there is at least a 50% chance that Trump would get EVERY EV running against Sanders is pure comedy gold.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)Learn some damned grammar before you say such nonsense next time.
At least look up the damned definition of "literally" before you throw the word around like it was nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)of it.
You lost this one. Now you are trying to pettifog your way out of a ludicrous statement. I do not fall for sophistry, sorry, go find someone who does.
Other posters called you out on it on this very thread too, so it is not only me who sees the ludicrous nature of your positing as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)I watched Nixon and Reagan both come close to unanimous electoral college victories and Sanders is a worse potential nominee that we have ever seen before.
You're damed straight there's a good chance Trump would take it all if Sanders is the nominee. The man has NEVER. BEEN. VETTED!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)That outcome is needed in order for for Trump to win every EV.
It will never happen, not with Sanders, not with any of the others.
There are other states too (HI, VT, CA, for example) that will never go Trump even with Bernie as the nominee, but all I need to disprove your statement is one entity awarding delegates not going for Trump, that being DC.
This is NOT 1972 anymore, and even 1972 was not a 100% EV loss. Nixon lost MA and DC (he only got 21.56% of the vote in DC). In 1984 Reagan lost MN and DC (Reagan won only 13.73% of the vote in DC)
The other modern 90% plus EV landslides were Roosevelt in 1936 , and he still lost VT and ME (the closest ever in modern times to 100% as FDR only semi-narrowly lost those 2), and then LBJ in 1964, and he lost AZ, LA, MS, AL, SC, and GA (he was crushed in AL and MS.)
In 1820, James Monroe won every state and received all but one of the electoral votes. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams received the only other electoral vote, which came from faithless elector William Plumer.
The only 100% EV vote wins ever were our first two POTUS elections, won by George Washington, who ran uncontested in 1789 and 1792.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)It started in '77 and ran through the fall of the Berlin wall.
It is all well documented.
And too many voters in DC served the United States government during the cold war.
Sanders is Pure Electoral Poison, even in DC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)will win DC, 100% guaranteed.
Bernie winning the nomination may well be a loss for us, the nation, the world. He may well get crushed by Trump. I do not want him to win the nomination, BUT zero percent chance he loses every single EV. DC will go Blue no matter who. It is a fantasy to suggest otherwise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6779408/200085-NBCWSJ-February-Poll.pdf
here is the headline number in terms of voter support for all our candidates atm
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)And all I am worried about at this point is making sure Sanders is not nominated. I am promoting Bloomberg now because he seems the best positioned to take out Sanders by pushing his baggage on television 24X7. I really don't care who is nominated, so long as it is not Sanders. Everybody else at least has a chance of defeating Trump. Sanders has no chance whatsoever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Bloomberg as well. I think both can potentially rip our party apart, at least partially. I do NOT look at Sanderite ant-Bloomberg stances, I look at people who support other candidates. I also have been reading up a lot on Bloomberg. He has an extraordinarily problematic past.
If Pete falters, I have changed my mind as to whom I will support. I do admit to being excited at first about Bloomberg, but, as long as he is a viable candidate, I will (although I already cast my overseas California ballot for Pete) be so hoping that either Biden (the far more likely) or Warren comes out on top. Klobuchar has the same issue Pete does (and far less of a good campaign apparatus) insomuch as the both struggle mightily with my fellow people of colour. Pete, Amy, Steyer and probably Warren (barring some large upsets) are done after Super Tuesday. I am counting on Biden now coming in a strong 2nd (or even first) in Nevada, and then hopefully winning South Carolina in a big way. If he too falls after Super Tuesday, then I shall really start to worry about the party and the general, as Bloomberg has a simply massive amount of baggage, as does Sanders.
Trump has put into place a disastrous new archetype, that being the buying of American elections by billionaire candidates. THAT is also poison for democracy as well. I am in no way predicting this, BUT, if it does come down the Bernie and Bloomberg and it goes full-blown warfare, with anything and everything on the table, I truly fear for a Sanders actual spoiler role, or even, if he can pull it off, a 3rd party indie run. I can see a path where that happens, and it will ensure a Trump victory, which in turn will ensure a potential death blow to the Union via Trump taking the SCOTUS to a 7-2 or even 8-1 (if Sotomayor's severe diabetes forces her out) HARD RW composition for 2 or more decades. That is on top of the RW rest of the federal judiciary.
IF that occurs, the RW will attempt to roll back ALL post Brown v Board civil rights, up to and including Brown itself via hundreds of feeder cases spewing up from the Red states. They also will not stop at simply devolving things back to the states on this. They will make it the law of the land and then attempt to bully the Blue states into full acceptance, at which point, say around the late 2020's or so, you will start to have full and open talk of starting the process (whatever that may be) for succession by the big Blue states. I can see all becoming a vicious circle culminating in the attempted break-up by 2040 at the latest. The Blue states will never submit to a full blown radical theocratic nation form of government, which is exactly where we are headed if Trump gets his reelection.
Also, strictly speaking of our party, IF Bloomberg did win the nomination, and did proceed to go full-blown Republican vote chaser, that lurch to the right could very well be so great that its starts to have the effect of a truly large amount of the progressive left finally pack it in by the millions and attempt to form an true 3rd party. There is but so far into the centre right we can go with the law of diminishing returns kicking in, especially as the voting populace becomes far more non Boomer and even older. Anecdotal stories on here aside, people in my age cohort (I am 1996-born, so lets call it 18 to 30yo's by November 2020) are in no way, shape or form wholeheartedly embrace a party that makes a run to the centre right in order to make up for lost millions of farther left voters who will quite possible flee.
Much of what is in (and will be splashed coast to coast as the extreme vetting begins in earnest) Bloomberg's background is anathema to people my age, people who are not obsessed with politics, and simply will not buy into a 'hold your nose' and suck it up as Trump is worse' framing simply because they will look at it as a false choice. We do NOT have to run a billionaire with some pretty horrid things (racially, gender-wise, Rethug Bush and Rethug Senator-supporting, etc etc) in his background as our standard bearer, let alone take the party in a centre right direction. It simply is not true that it can only be Bernie or only be Mike. People in their two camps will attempt to do that, or at least some will, but that is a recipe for disaster IMHO.
I so hope Biden, Warren, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Steyer expose Bloomberg completely tomorrow at the debate, and do so to Bernie as well. It needs to be done to the both of them, for the sake of starting to bring our Party together for the general. Warren (in regards to Bernie) and then the 3 main moderately left-liberals (Biden, Pete and Amy) in regards to Bloomberg, ALL need to step up and do this to avoid a trainwreck that I truly see looming on the event horizon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)He wants Trump out and he wants Sanders to not be nominated.
I share these goals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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nobuddy
(215 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nobuddy
(215 posts)he doesn't just front run primaries, but golf outings too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nobuddy
(215 posts)the Bloomtrain is pulling out of the station
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)we're the ones tied up on the tracks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,164 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Bernie cannot get the support in Congress he needs for his wildest ideas. Bloomie's been making money off of sharpies for years with his tout sheet on how to steal money from working people in the financial markets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,164 posts)Bloomberg is even scarier. Trump without the overt racism but a bit more charm and actual smarts and money.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that the audios and videos we've seen of Bloomberg's speeches are pretty overt. Now, they're digging out some homophobia and transphobia.
I get that some people figure it's going to take a billionaire to get rid of Trump, but I'm curious why they didn't latch on to Steyer a tenth as much as they've glommed on to Bloomie. At least Steyer has a political record he can be proud of before the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,164 posts)like embracing Stalin to get rid of Hitler.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pecosbob
(7,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)4 posts deleted in less that three months.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)(regardless of what little distemper we pretend is all that matters)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samir.g
(835 posts)by splitting the non-Sanders vote even further.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)His numbers keep going up.
Had Biden not faltered, I doubt he would be running a single ad right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,773 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Are you saying your priority is to defeat at Democrat ally?
And that outweighs the need to defend workers rights?
Surely you misstated that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Look at that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)go for another candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)Things like flip flopping or evolving used to concern me, but now I'd rather win with a recent convert than lose with someone more consistent, but without the fight or resources or support to go all the way.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)I just saw a video of him claiming communist China is not a dictatorship because they fear their constituents. Yet a city with actual votes and democracy is communist Russia.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,680 posts)I do not doubt he is sincere considering what Trump is doing to this country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)Not overly concerned with foreign policy just yet, will wait and see a fleshed-out philosophy and not judge a few quotes. Because after all, Bernie has a lot of baggage in that department as well, and I don't judge that too harshly either.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Trump became a Republican. Trump had a lot of center-progressive views up until the Obama administration, and the stupid MAGAts were fooled into thinking that he changed.
It's sad for me to see so many here who are falling for Bloomie's fake apologies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)that I've read so far, including stuff from his time as Mayor, suggests he's totally an amoral sociopath. He did raise good kids, also. Maybe he does feel bad now. I don't know.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)has thrown all of the rules out of the window.
What was it Maya Angelou said about "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." We seem to have forgotten her sage advice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)because our brains evolved to quickly fit things into easy and clear categories, for our own safety and survival. I just don't get a "bad-guy" vibe from Bloomberg, just more of a guy who sometimes is a jerk but other times does the right thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)until more stuff tumbles out about what Bloomie's said and done. I expect a fair amount of it to come out at the debate, if Bloomberg shows up for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)and stood for all these years on the grounds that it was "years ago"? Meanwhile, this "years ago" was a recently as the years of the Obama administration when Bloomberg was already a senior citizen. That's hardly some hazy, long-ago slip of the tongue made when Bloomy was still in short pants hangin' out with Spanky and Alfalfa inside the old He-Man Woman Hater's Club, is it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
What is it about Bloomberg that allows so many in our party to ignore his severely problematic background? Is it his magnetic personality? Strong views on social justice and / or economically progressive ideals?
It doesn't seem to be that.
But he seems to have something that is attracting Democrats to him like flies on shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)I cant stand either Bernie or Bloomberg. Id vote for anyone else in the primary over them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)attraction to a lot of people.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287533062#post2
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)A month ago, it was assumed that Joe Biden would be doing well about this point, and that he was the one who could get the nomination and defeat Trump in the fall. Of course, after a fourth place finish in Iowa and a fifth place finish in New Hampshire, things have changed.
Along comes the smell of money and it's perceived ability to win elections, and desperate people are willing to ignore progressive principles out of raw fear. It's Bloomie following the old Trump playbook.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Either seem to be the preferred response to a critical piece of information regarding Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)They are posting and sharing this letter on FB. It's being shared like crazy.
I wont even hesitate before calling you stupid. Farming is so damn easy, right? Come to my small community and last one freakin day on a farm, I dare you. And I dont just mean get things done, but get them done RIGHT the FIRST time.
Farming is HARD WORK. Farmers cannot sit in an office all day, never worrying about the weather like you can. They have to plan their days accordingly, never staying home when the ice storm hits because those baby calves depend on them. Day in and day out, they work to make sure their animals are fed and taken care of before themselves. Not only that, but those little seeds you speak of, that is how they provide for their family.
You are clearly disconnected from modern agriculture if you dont think intelligence and technology come into play. Have you been on a sprayer, tractor or combine? Are you blind to the fact that with production and genetic improvements, each farmer now feeds 155 people per year, up from 26 in the 1960s?
So before you go insulting the backbone of our country, think about what all that 2% of the United States does for you. The food on your dining room table that feeds your family? Thank a farmer. The designer clothes that you cannot seem to live without? Thank a farmer. The fuel you use on a daily basis to go from campaign to campaign? Thank a farmer. That makeup that your daughters are so obsessed with? Thank a farmer. The sports ball that your grandson cant get enough of? Thank a farmer.
Lets take it a step farther. Think about all of the indirect jobs there are in the United States because of agriculture: grocery stores, farm machine manufacturers, agriculture education, restaurants, the list goes on and on.
Farmers dont just provide for the country, they also build it. These men and women are some of the smartest, faithful, hard-working people in the United States. And they choose to instill these qualities in their families as well, so that you will be fed and clothed for many generations.
Stop belittling an industry that you could not live without because I promise you, you would not survive a damn day without us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,993 posts)that completely lied about what Bloomberg said about farming seems to have hit it's mark.
The people here who spread it must be so proud.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)leave for men and women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
He's evolved to stances that would put him ahead of the curve if this were 2000 instead of 2020.
Paid family sick leave for men and women? I hope so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)not a "revolutionist" but his positions are not a problem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)issue to go back on the campaign promises he makes about it. He'll put it in place quick and move on to his three pet issues: erasing Filthy Donnie's legacy, climate change and gun control.
That's how he did it in NYC. He made campaign promises. People thought they were uncharacteristic, but he kept those promises because, I think, he felt they were part of the contract he had struck with the people that let him move on to work on his pet issues.
One of which was to reduce the skyrocketing murder rate of young black men and another of which was to reduce the NYC incarceration rate. Both of which he did very successfully.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... original if there's no cost value in the knock off.
Right now Bloomberg is Trump light (IE why he appealed to Trump for so many years) if one doesn't take seriously Bloomberg's shift, which after a while the hits keep coming and Mikes heart and mind comes to the forefront HE'S REPUBLICAN.
NEVER in history, I'm starting
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)Trump isn't literally keeping Planned Parenthood's doors open. Bloomberg is.
Trump isn't keeping major American cities in the Paris Accord. Bloomberg is.
Trump isn't successfully taking on the NRA and getting gun control legislation passed. Bloomberg is.
Trump didn't reduce the murder rate of young black men by 50%. Or reduce the incarceration rate by 40%. Bloomberg did.
Trump isn't proposing to tax the rich and corporations and up the capital gains tax to the same level as the earned income tax. Bloomberg is.
Trump actually molested women. Bloomberg said sexist things in the 90s.
I could go on.
Your post is a smear of a Democratic candidate. I won't alert on it, but it's a clear violation of the TOS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... all Bloomberg's republican right wing views on women, race, economy, schools etc etc have changed in just 9 months.
All Trump would have to do is hug Bloomberg's ... RECORD ... during the general and Bloomberg is done for.
On the other hand Biden is a direct contrast to Bloomberg, with Bloomberg's money Biden can't lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)not the guy for this.
And once again, you can look at what Bloomberg has said, or you can look at what he's done. Stop and frisk was immoral and ineffective, but you and I have already discussed at length that Biden and BS are also vulnerable on race issues.
And Bloomberg has done a LOT of things that did a lot of good for a lot of people.
And PS, in my list above, another way Bloomberg is trumps opposite: if he gets elected there will be a path to citizenship for all undocumented residents, and all the immigration shit will end day one.
PS again, if we're going to have these discussions, please stop name calling the candidate I support. You know as well as I do that he's not "trump-lite" and in many ways he is trumps opposite.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... all Trump has to do is hug Bloomberg's record and people wont want the knock off.
Biden was Obama's VP so that negates whatever loss's he has spending 8 yrs with a well loved public figure.
No one else's **RECORD*** is as vulnerable on damn near ... EVERY ... issue in regards to progressive views than Bloomberg's.
Bloomberg might rank high but just in 3 out of ten areas but that's negated by being polar opposite in the rest of the areas.
That's where Trump hugs him as the knock off.
And PS, in my list above, another way Bloomberg is trumps opposite: if he gets elected there will be a path to citizenship for all undocumented residents, and all the immigration shit will end day one.
Few people believes this ... Bloomberg has been outwardly and openly antagonistic when it comes to race. His numbers among blacks are horrid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)available evidence.
There is nothing more for us to say to each other on this.
May the person most likely to beat trump win. And I wish you well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... mostly speaking from what I can see are the facts
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,993 posts)you on ignore till the primaries end and we can come back together as allies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)I cant hear you - I will support Bloomberg because he has good ads.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
David__77
(23,479 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden