Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumCan we please stop attacking each other?
It is the least helpful thing we can be doing, the very, very least helpful thing.
Support your candidate with all your might, but please, please, please remember the enemy the only enemy is the GOP. We must beat trump. That is non-negotiable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Think it's okay to criticize candidates we don't support based on the issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)What is an attack and what is an issue dispute.
Because people see things differently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Issues: A candidate's position on Social Security, Healthcare, Education, Foreign Policy, Immigration, etc.
Attacks: Pretty much anything else that's not issues-based.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Because Ive seen a lot of this person is disqualified for things that are not positions taken on the above issues you mentioned. I assume youd be against that then?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)or just "being in his own stratosphere when it comes to wealth."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem2
(8,168 posts)The tilting of arguments using language cleverly infuriates the f*** out of supporters of the other candidate.
You may not do it. 9/10 may not do it, but it only takes those few shit-stirrers to ruin it for everybody.
It's always better to boost one's candidate's positions without mentioning their opponents, since everybody here already knows the positions of each candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,130 posts)think they can't convince the nation that they can beat Trump in a hot minute on their worst day?
I think they can.
Now is the time to fight for a non-corporate candidate who can beat corporate corruption of our elections and government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)and would enthusiastically support with all my might either her or Klobuchar. I believe Warren, especially, would be a President for the ages.
I will unequivocally, enthusiastically support the nominee, be they my first choice or my last. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,130 posts)get them, and is only getting warmed up. She's got the legislative past to get bipartisan support (even if only one or two votes) to get anti-corruption legislation passed?
Which is also a test vote for ending Citizens United's definition of money as speech? With the right legislation wording, the right challenge to back it up by the DOJ before SCOTUS, that law could get overruled, since there's no pressure of legal precedent, to keep it, and more political, congressional and executive and polling pressure to end it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)I think she is spectacular. She would be a great President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,174 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)I can gladly refrain from talking about other candidates and simply extol the virtues of my preferred candidate or speak positively about other candidates, but can the supporters of other candidates -- especially one we are all thinking about -- do the same?
I've made the same proposal on other message boards and it was turned down because certain supporters can't help but attack other candidates. After all, the """Democratic establishment""" is just about as much of an enemy to them as Republicans, if you hear them tell it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)...in ways that you imply you do not approve of. If Sanders supporters did that, it would go a long way. I've seen other candidates' supporters (Warren and Harris come to mind) speak out against fellow supporters that stepped out of line and acted inappropriately, but I think it all comes down to the simple fact that most of the candidates are true Democrats and do not want to do anything to hurt the party whereas certain candidates (namely Sanders, but also Gabbard) are just fine with attacking the party because they apparently view them as enemies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)Let me be clear:
Sanders supporters who attack other Democrats are hurting the cause. They should stop right now.
Biden supporters who attack other Democrats are hurting the cause. They should stop right now.
Any Democrat who attacks another Democrat based upon the candidate they support is hurting the cause. They should stop right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)The most vocal of his 'supporters" are his management team. All Stein supporters. That is a slap in the face to all that voted for Hillary in the general. If he does not fire them then he alone owns what they say.
I will vote for him in the GE. Then we watch trumps inauguration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)Thats what Im concerned about here, really.
I dont have a problem with fair criticism of the candidates policies, records, or potential electability, either here or elsewhere.
Fair criticisms of any of our candidates Sanders absolutely included are a good thing. No need to let a land mine sit unexploded until it can hurt us in the general election.
Id just like to see us all realize we are on the same team and not attack one another.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)They work hard to keep the bad blood flowing every day on Twitter and elsewhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)not candidates. Candidates' supporters are not candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It's incredible how heated stuff gets in here.
We're all on the same side and will all support the nominee, surely we can disagree without being nasty to each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(14,022 posts)than it was in 2016. I had to leave for awhile due to all the vitriol from all sides.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)I left in 2016 for the same reason. Ive just recently started to venture back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Otherwise, it looks like little more than another situational convenience of hypocrisy.
Attend to yourself, and allow others the same consideration. In other words, be the change you want rather than a bumper sticker. Exemplify your desires rather than instructing us on ours.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(131,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PlanetBev
(4,104 posts)Ill be 70 in November and preparing myself for yet another heart 💔 broken birthday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madaboutharry
(40,217 posts)Then magically we all remember our common enemy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It seems to be two contingents throwing the most poo.
Thy cant possibly think theyre changing anyones minds. Its tiresome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)After the primaries I will focus on the overwhelming enemy.
Until then I am doing everything I can to insure the one candidate I am POSITIVE can NEVER defeat Trump is defeated in the primaries because doing otherwise is morally reprehensible to me.
Of the rest, I really don't care who is because I am sure any of them could defeat Trump, just as I am POSITIVESanders would LOSE OVERWHELMINGLY if nominated.
If Sanders ends up the nominee, I'll do my best to get him elected, but will be completely disheartened and certain it will be in vain.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)that I am certain would lose to trump. I dont want to identify them, because that would be divisive, and I know that I very well could be wrong.
I dont consider those candidates or their supporters my enemies, either in the primaries or in the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Deero
(86 posts)Bernie Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)though I respect your opinion.
✌️ ☮️
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)And I will do everything I can to see he never gets nominated.
That's how confident I am that he would be overwhelmingly defeated by Trump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)The candidates and their policies are worthy of our collective discussions. Those who attack fellow Democrats here and at large should be discouraged in every possible way. I got no trouble kicking Trump and his flying monkeys in the balls - but Ill be damned if Ill do it to fellow Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AverageJoe
(2,292 posts)Any of our candidates would be a thousand times better than trump, regardless of how they fit with my personal politics. I sincerely hope we pick the right nominee, whom ever that might be. I wish that we could also be good to one another as we work toward the convention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden