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Related: About this forumBloomberg Campaign Claims It Has 'Very Damaging' Info On Sanders
Heard about this on one of the network evening news shows (can't remember which one since I was channel surfing as usual), and just found a link to an article:
https://www.ibtimes.com/bloomberg-campaign-claims-it-has-very-damaging-info-sanders-2924418
Kevin Sheekey, the head of Bloombergs campaign, claimed Tuesday morning that opposition research conducted on Sanders had turned up very damaging, perhaps even disqualifying information, though he stopped short of sharing the findings.
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If such information exists (and there's a lot we don't know about what Sanders has said during past campaigns, for instance), then it's best for the Democratic Party that it come out as soon as possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mister Ed
(5,944 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mysteryowl
(7,398 posts)Please, just campaign on what you have to offer, your plans for the position, and against Trump - not other democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
not fooled
(5,802 posts)Please.
Well said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,628 posts)don't need to follow its guidelines or rules. You just change them to suit yourself.
When you can buy an office, you don't need to follow the election laws; you just change them to give you an extra term.
Let's drop the myth that Bloomberg is motivated to run by a desire to defeat Trump. If that was his motivation, he could have supported existing candidates with donations and/or anti Trump ads.
So what is his reason for being a candidate himself?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)called him an oligarch, said he is buying the election etc.?
Are American votes for sale to be bought? Does a single person who supports Bloomberg gets paid anything?
Sanders campaign runs with the foxes while it also hunts with the hounds. They can't have it both ways. If they want the attacks stopped, they shoud stop the attacks first.
Also, Bloomberg has nothing to lose. Many Sanders supporters won't vote for any nominee if it is not Bernie anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,627 posts)sanders is a very weak candidate and would be easy for trump to destroy. In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders.
Link to tweet
trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
I look forward to seeing the additional oppo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,626 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Sanders is NOT a Democrat and should NOT have the nomination or else Trump will definitely have another 4 years and our country is done.
I am becoming more and more convinced of this each day and mostly it is being confirmed by just watching Sanders himself and seeing how he conducts himself, along with his Campaign Staff and his "Bernie Bros"....
He isn't qualified and the info on him alone that exists in the oppo files above proves that. But if Bloomberg found more that will show the electorate that he isn't qualified, then I for one hope it comes out soon because I am getting tired of Bernie Sanders and his whining and all his crazed supporters who are constantly attacking and splitting the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)and making up a context suggesting Mike thinks farmers are dumb. And for threatening his staffers with blacklisting. I don't think he fucks around. I think the gloves are off.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)well there was that stuff about when he was a younger man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)He came from nothing.
You don't get where he is from nothing by fucking around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Two of the first friend that I formed were from seriously different circumstances, a guy was upper middleclass, a woman was flat-assed rich. The guy went to Wall Street, the woman went into the Venture Capital field in Silicon Valley. My abilities were no match for those kid's connections. As a young man, Bloomberg faced people like that out of the gate, and the son of a milk-diary bookeeper beat them all, that is impressive, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Being a media mogul, he must have seen thousands of stories that were corroborated but were not sent for publication.
Any one of those, if damaging enough, will sink Sanders ... and there must be a few dozen of those.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)The sooner the train is stopped, the less of a chance of it collapsing a bridge and falling in the river.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)That Bloomberg wont attack the other primary candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)Punch him in the face over and over and not do a thing about it. Bernie started shit so let someone else finish it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Is Bloomberg supposed to take those blows without throwing a punch back?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,334 posts)and doesn't much care who does it. A well vetted candidate will prevent a lot of problems later on in the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)I really don't think he cares if he is the nominee or not. I think he saw Biden failing and wanted to prevent a Sanders or a Warren as the nominee. Not only would they be shellacked by Trump in the general, it would be personally bad for his (Bloomberg) bank account.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Definitely not a good thing for party unity. Keep the attacks on Trump, everybody, we don't need to eat our own.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,290 posts)I think we should all know the facts... unless they are merely innuendo.
People saying theres so much damaging oppo but not bringing it into the light is likely just gaming.
Meanwhile, how about this?
Link to tweet
Quixote1818
And his followup in this tweet:
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)his votes that sent loads of guns to the city Bloomberg led is a gross smear, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Bernie Sanders' votes on bills like the Brady Bill allowed guns to pass through lax states and end up on the streets of big cities, guns by the hundreds, even thousands. Those guns caused chaos in some neighborhoods in those big cities, often resulting in innocent children getting killed by crossfire. I am not excusing Bloomberg for stop and frisk, but I can see why he may have felt such a blunt force would work, people that have illegal guns, sourced from Trans-state gun runners were not going to turn them in or participate in a buyback program (although police agencies have gotten somewhat smarter on buy backs, buying the guns turned in without questions).
I blame Bernie for voting against the Brady Bill five times. One of the things that the Brady Bill would have done was interdict gunrunners that were running guns to big cities like NYC, Philly, Newark, Boston, ect. Bloomberg had a big problem that Bernie directly helped create. Once the guns were on the streets of NYC and other big cities, there were not many easy ways of getting them off those streets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)So the argument that Bloomberg had no choice but to stop-and-frisk people because Bernie stopped the Brady Bill, aside from being totally absurd, is also completely false.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That provision would have allowed law enforcement to interdict a person carrying multiple guns that they couldn't prove ownership of.
Congressman Charles Schumer initially introduced the bill, but had to pull it because of opposition from Sanders, some other Dems and republican Congresspeople. Schumer reintroduced a watered-down bill that passed the House with more democratic votes, and then the Senate, that bill did not have the tough interdiction provision in it. Bernie helped get the interdiction provision removed, thereby making it possible for guns to still make their way to big cities, as long as the gunrunners were not stopped by police in states that had tough gun laws.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)House member Bernie Sanders played a key role in the process of weakening it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,597 posts)It's not "I can take Trump down and here's why," it's "Everyone else is a loser and here's why."
Sure, why not do Fat Donnie's oppo for him? If we keep going this way the Democratic Party nominee isn't going to be the person most qualified for the job who can motivate voters to unify and vote for them. It's going to be the person who has the fewest knife wounds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)That he can't go after the junior senator from VT too hard because it will piss off his fans. And what someone like Bloomberg or one of his staff finds disqualifying could be a positive with the senator's base.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(14,083 posts)Especially Bloomberg. I hope they destroy each other and Biden or Warren rises to the top.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Lets see the dirt!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)go after their chosen one? Bloomberg has nothing to lose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,874 posts)He probably figures he can win over far more Independents and Republicans to more than outweigh the loss of Sanders supporters, a sizable portion of which probably won't even vote for the Democratic nominee in the end unless it is Sanders himself anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Many Bernie fans won't vote for the nominee anyway if it is not Bernie.
If Bloomberg can open the eyes of the others with the truth, Bloomberg has a win-win situation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,879 posts)Might as well take action that benefits the rest of the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Bring it on NOW.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Bloomberg will bring it on at the most opportune moment to cause the maximum damage.
Bloomberg has a media empire. He knows where the bodies are buried. When it comes out, whatever it is, it will be extremely well-corroborated with documentary (and possibly video) evidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Bloomberg has made zero effort to substantiate it. If there were anything it would have gleefully been released already. All he's doing is hoping the media will pick up his accusation and run with it. He will never release his so called damaging information because he has no damaging information.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jmg257
(11,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But if Bloomberg's people can find it after maybe three weeks of looking, you better bet that Trump's mudslingers have it. So yes, releasing it ASAP is best for our side, let OUR voters evaluate it and decide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)They are waiting for him to be nominated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,025 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)Bernie has been a known quantity for decades. This smear threat smells of rancid baloney.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)and his opposition had no money for oppo research.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,751 posts)Nothing in the story says that the Bloomberg campaign has this oppo. They point out that it exists (which has been reported before) and the Republicans have it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zeus69
(391 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Good reply..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Ill be the judge of what disqualifying of my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tritsofme
(17,403 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)and that Barr will indict the eventual Democratic nominee as soon as the convention is over. They will not show their hands until after the convention---
----which means all the candidates need to come clean before the convention. If the dirt comes out after the nomination, Barr can claim that Democrats were duped by a criminal and that he is saving the country. If the dirt comes out before then Democrats can say "We don't care!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doremus
(7,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,740 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)...make me think less of the candidate pulling them. The win at all cost philosophy is a sign that rules are not followed
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NBachers
(17,149 posts)Not the greatest Bernie supporter, but I'll maintain my reservations 'till the Big Revelations are made.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Usually these things wind up being much ado about nothing.
The whole thing with Fidel Castro came up during a debate with Hillary. It was pretty much a nothing-burger at the time. I think he got vetted about the stuff with the Sandinistas, too.
That's not to say the repubs won't try to make hay out of it if Bernie is the nominee.
But if that's the best they've got, it'll be nothing more than a fart in the wind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Callado119
(171 posts)...so hardly a nothing burger for them..and the primary was all but over by then so why would the media bother talking about the runner up. Youll be seeing the videos on a loop if hes the nominee..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I've felt for a long time that Florida was pretty much a lost cause for Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that between Super Tuesday and the convention in Milwaukee that the campaign will be nothing but mudslinging between Bloomie and Bernie.
It may turn a lot of swing voters off completely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I mean, if you pick Bloomberg as your non-Sanders option at this point, you've basically tossed any complaints about someone's character in the trash.
If something comes out about Sanders that is "disqualifying", bring it. I'll vote for the next on my list who's not Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
videohead5
(2,181 posts)About those videos of him praising the former Soviet Union. He better say something to get ahead of what's coming if he ends up the nominee because Trump is going to plaster everything Bernie said all over TV. Bernie is going to have to say something about it now or the Democrats will be lucky to hold onto the house.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,979 posts)Link to tweet
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Daou
Peter Daou (born April 25, 1965) is a Lebanese-American political strategist, activist, and author who has advised major political figures, including Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.[1][2] He was described by The New York Times as "one of the most prominent political bloggers in the nation." The Washington Post said that his early work in digital politics helped innovate "a whole new way of campaigning."[3][4][5]
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)He was not privy to high level machinations of the campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)now is the right time to do it. We can observe how the information may or may not change polling. Its amazing how scared Bernie is of Bloomberg, has been talking about him non-stop. Just keep in mind that not only trumps justice dept is against, history is against us too. Defeating a president during record low unemployment, rising wages, record stock market, etc. is going to be near impossible but with Bloombergs financial war chest, maybe. Defeating trump even if we essentially need to buy the election is still worth it. I will always vote dem but Ill be the first one to admit that the last 3 years were the best years of my life for me and my family financially.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)has plenty of Oppositional research on Bloomberg. They lived in the same environment, does anyone understand how NYC, especially Manhattan works?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)hands of tRUMP. Divide us and he wins.
If Bloomberg defeats Sanders due to op research and not on positions I'm feeling that few or NONE of Bernie followers will support Bloomberg if he's the nominee and probably will stay at home and not support any other nominee. They felt burned in 16. Just sayin...so much for #votebluenomatterwho in that case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)He has played his cards perfectly so far.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Bernie Bros and his fanatic supporters were never going to support anyone but him anyway....
I am not worried if he isn't the nominee....
I am terrified if he IS the nominee.....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cstanleytech
(26,322 posts)Bernie be the nominee and it could then do as much if not more damage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
herding cats
(19,568 posts)If you do fine, get it out there before people make a mistake. If not this is useless division.
I'm fine with vetting a candidate, but baiting irks me without evidence.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,879 posts)You can't let him putter along. Hopefully this is for real.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Put up or shut up, Richie Rich. This guy sucks ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jg10003
(976 posts)I'm pretty sure any skeletons in his closet would have been exposed by now. Even if his opponents in Vermont overlooked something, the Clinton machine would have certainly found it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Callado119
(171 posts)They just didnt use it because they didnt need it.. theres already plenty out there that hasnt been widely reported that will shock a lot of people..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jg10003
(976 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided