Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumMichael Bloomberg was mercilessly attacked in his first debate - and he flopped
Before Wednesday nights debate, Michael Bloombergs critics had been furious with the Democratic National Committee for changing its rules to allow Bloomberg on the debate stage. But it turned out the critics should have been thanking the DNC. Bloomberg was absolutely terrible. His campaign may not literally have ended on the debate stage, but its hard to see how any viewer could come away believing his pitch that he is the best candidate to take on Trump.
Bloomberg roundly attacked by rivals in fiercest Democratic debate so far
Bloomberg was ill-prepared, uncharismatic, and unlikable. The other candidates ran rings around him. Elizabeth Warren sank her teeth in early, interrupting Bloombergs opening statement to point out how his long history of sexist comments about women made him a lot like Donald Trump. Warren landed even more brutal blows later in the debate, when she challenged Bloomberg to release women from the non-disclosure agreements his company had forced them to sign in sexual harassment lawsuits. Bloomberg mumbled some lame excuse about how the agreements were consensual, but was clearly caught off-guard, and Warren wouldnt let the issue go.
Bloomberg looked feeble, and after the debate some Democratic bigwigs were already reportedly concluding that Bloomberg isnt the answer.
Full story from Nathan Robinson in The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/20/michael-bloomberg-democratic-debate-flopped
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amishman
(5,559 posts)Warren's (and others) attacks were unpleasant but needed, Mike's role to help the party is as a donor and organiser, he has way too much baggage for political office.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I do not agree.I think Mike came across very well. When Bernie brought up the, Billionaires pay more than their Secretaries, Mike asked him who wrote the tax code? It was not me,you were there! I enjoyed the Socialist millionaire with 3 houses!
He also talked about seeding Enterprise, small business. Something he did. Biden talked about what was accomplished while he was in office.
I am flat out against Socialism and do not think that is a winning plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Because moderate Democrats have brought us Trump. All this winning, we might as well join the Republicans and vote Bloomberg?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I voted for Obama and then voted for the woman who won 2.7 million more votes.
Maybe it would be wise to look in the mirror, see who brought us Trump! It was not me!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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lapucelle
(18,319 posts)is pretty harsh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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lapucelle
(18,319 posts)For the long ride home...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)that we are sliding into autocracy and we have a complicit Senate that has gone over the edge for this corrupt con artist who is draining us. We have a lot to lose especially our freedoms. All this pish posh about Socialism, Republicans have been practicing reverse socialism they steal from us and give to their cronies.
Americans in general better wake up.
Welcome to DU!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)Are you still contending that they enabled a "Fascist State"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)I'll wait. This is the most useless argument I've seen yet. Our two most electorally successful presidents in the past 50 years weren't socialists, they met America where it is, at the junction of center and left. They did it with uplifting ideals not promises of things they could never even start to deliver. How did George McGovern fare?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Callado119
(171 posts)...youre going to find out the socialism is indeed a bad word for more people than you imagine...and if youre explaining this in the general youre losing..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)Why do some socialists feel entitled to co-opt everything? I prefer Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)and i understand well the differences between social democracy, democratic socialism, socialism and communism. You and i both know that facts matter less than narrative in the world we currently operate in. If this election becomes a referendum on socialism instead of a referendum on trump, we lose that 100 times out of 100.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Callado119
(171 posts)...and theyre determined to give him a second term but this time with a popular vote win...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... bold faced lying too.
He didn't do well
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)buy a house in San Francisco! Or New York City!
Being worth a million dollars is really not rich. My mother owns a house she lives in and one she rents out in Victoria, Texas. I think she might also own a 4-plex if she hasn't sold it. Does that make her rich? I don't think so. I would say she is well off, but I don't consider her rich.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)One of them she paid $35,000 cash for back in 1972 when $35,000 was a lot more money than it is now. Actually, my grandparents paid it in cash and my mom and dad made payments for a few years until my grandparents gifted them the balance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)other than very wealthy.
But I appreciate the gymnastics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)That she bought for cash in 1972 is worth 187,000 now. So that $35000 was pretty much the equivalent of $187,000 cash.
So Bernie wrote a book and made a lot of money. His wife had some money too. He hasn't been rich all his life and he stands up for poor people. I'm okay with that. I think the fact that he's somewhat well off is really irrelevant. It isn't like he didn't pay contractors for work they did or was a slumlord. He made his money in a fair way without cheating anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)For cash after selling a house his wife inherited. Lots of people sell houses and turn around and buy another house with the proceeds.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-summer-home/amp/
However, the original Seven Days report included information on how the Sanders afforded the summer home. OMeara Sanders said that she had inherited a vacation home in Maine, but the family was unable to make use of it due to its distance from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home in North Hero:
My family had a lake home in Maine since 1900, but we hadnt had the time to go there in recent years especially since my parents passed away, she said. We finally let go of it and that enabled us to buy a place in the islands something Ive always hoped for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Regardless. Sanders and his wife are very wealthy now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trueblue Texan
(2,440 posts)I'm a capitalist, like Elizabeth Warren. But with the corruption that our system now embraces, you cannot have true capitalism. Real capitalism requires accountability and a level playing field. We have none of that in our government or powerful corporations--or not in the right measure anyway. (Bernie was right when he told Bloomberg that he (and his ilk) wrote the tax code) And that's going to get worse. I hate the way that word Socialism is thrown around and I wish Bernie hadn't saddled himself with it. The truth is, Socialism works very well for some issues, but there are too many people who like to bludgeon the Left with that word. If we rid our system of all the "Socialist" programs, Medicare, Social Security, public parks, transportation, military, law enforcement, etc., no one would be happy. But folks sure like to make socialism a big scary booger bear. Few seem to be alarmed or make use of the word that describes the true and greatest threat to our democracy: CORRUPTION!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,007 posts)I was very disappointed in his lack of preparation. That said, he's definitely still in it. The party is not DU by any means.
I was hoping that SOMEONE would rise to the top. We need to coalesce soon or we'll end up with Bernie who will harangue us into 4 more years of trump. And we won't survive that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,476 posts)very surprised about the lack of preparation. He must have known before Tuesday that it was highly likely he would qualify for the debate, and that the NDAs would come up.
I thought he did well on some points but could have done so much better. Not every Democrat is looking for inspiration at the expense of competence, and many are forgiving if they see genuine contrition and commitment to do better. But he was obviously not ready even to play to his strengths, and he seemed to underestimate his competition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,007 posts)questions and have compelling answers for them. He really didn't.
That said, every one of them has had a bad debate. I hope someone gets on the ball and stays on it soon so we can turn our attention to fighting Filthy Donnie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(86,776 posts)post debate analysis, Andrew Yang was on the panel and he mentioned what it's like to prep for these debates and suggested that Bloomberg hadn't had much time for that. He was quickly corrected by most of the panel claiming he had hired quite a crack team and spent plenty of time and cash into his prep including a full mock debate set up. The conversation didn't take long to get around to the concept that Mike may not take to his preparations and may just walk away from it when the heat is on attended by the rationale that all those prep folks do work for Bloomberg and he makes the call as to whether he "accepts" preparation or not.
They concluded that he probably didn't accept the preparation team's advice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(51,007 posts)only the pundits' speculations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(86,776 posts)formerly worked for Bloomberg and was the one who brought that up. Bloomberg,as demonstrated on stage, has little tolerance for criticism and is more likely to think he knows best even when he's obviously and terrible wrong.
I saw that in him during the debate and I never thought he should have entered the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,476 posts)That he has been a politician before and should know better about how the system works. He also emphasized during the debate that teams are important and he was good at building them, etc.
I hope that his disdain for Trump and what hes done to the country is strong enough for him to make good on his promise to help Dems with $ even if/after he loses the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)But generally it was Bloomberg who looked uncomfortable.
I'll add, though, that I'd still vote for Bloomberg over Sanders in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cherryinpa
(301 posts)I also think she cut off his nutz.
Imagine what she's gonna do to the nutball in the Whitehouse.
She's not my candidate for sure, but Warren definately showed she's ready to lead if asked to.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)But she'd be all over him on Twitter. And he'd become know as Chicken Don!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)We desperately need a person with Bloomberg's resources and support on our side AND he has committed those resources to whomever is the Democratic candidate. There was way to much Democratic infighting and bashing AND far too few attacks on the primary objective and target, drumpf.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,287 posts)I didn't see the whole debate. Pete and Amy were out in the weeds clawing one another, Bernie waxed theoretical without substance (reminds me at times of John Andersen, 1980), Joe showed there's still spark but not brilliance, and Liz was earnest yet bludgeoning. Bloomberg was not welcomed to the club. He is an elite civic-minded businessman turned politician, aloof but highly intelligent. I hope they didn't turn him off. They should reach out to him and agree to disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I do not want another 4!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The drumpfian criminal war chest is already HUGE and will continue to grow. This election will be the battle of the wealthiest and we need some of THOSE people on our side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trueblue Texan
(2,440 posts)...all across that stage all night and then wiped the floor with him. Someone surely peed in her Cherrios before that debate!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(31,050 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)I, like others, thought Bloomberg was the answer. I was wrong. He can't debate and has too much baggage. He looked like a monopoly character. You almost expected him to pull out a cigar and light it with a 100 dollar bill. I hope he exits the race and puts his money on a Bernie / Warren ticket or something similar. Bernie did well, so did Warren. Biden is fading. Hold on, it is going to be a rough ride to November.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(51,007 posts)And I'll also wait to see the fallout. DU is not representative of the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)Bloomberg sucked. I'm a Warren supporter and she did great. I'll support our nominee, but dear God I hope it's not Bloomberg.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Seeing Bloomberg taken down several notches and publicly exposed as a flawed candidate by Sen. Warren had me shouting at the TV like an excited sports fan. Thank you Sen. Warren!!
Bloomberg IS NOT the answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)ripped Romney a new butt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bloomberg is no Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sigh144
(44 posts)Will we all accept it if the party essentially says....Sorry, were going to give it to someone else?
Does anyone here think thats a winning recipe?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)It's his job to sew up the nomination on the second ballot if he can't win it outright. And all this hand- wringing over "stealing it from him" at the convention. Please. It's a fkn joke. Clinton supporters got to listen to him BEG the party to steal it from her and christen him 4 years ago. If his supporters want to take their free toys and go home there's not much reasonable people could do at that point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Bernie agreed to accept it. If he goes into the convention with substantially less than a majority of delegates then, yes, that would mean most Dems would prefer a different candidate and would accept the second round results.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Not a plurality of delegates and not a plurality of the primary votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SylviaD
(721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wiley
(2,921 posts)And the Democratic Party continues its lurching back and forth back and forth back and forth. Despite Warrens highly entertaining performance recreating the role of Martha in Whos afraid of Virginia Wolfe - to the extreme delight and profit of the media- she will most likely be punished by everyone else that wasnt into the catharsis at any cost crowd. Why did some Democrats get off on her assaulting her contenders? Frustration and anger and fear of Trump. Last night she let the GOP define her. Shes made herself as polarizing as some people believe Sanders is. I hope peoplereally got to vent and get their toxicity out. Because we lost the election to Trump last night. So what if she or anyone else stomped on Bloomberg. What does that actually get us?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)I know Bloomberg has alot issues but to relentlessly attack him was not the right or smart thing to do. He has decided to be on our side and is willing to spends his billions to help us win. With what happened last night, few will take him or his ads seriously. Trump just jumped up several notches.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Because he wouldnt put in the work. He doesnt take town hall questions. He didnt do debate prep. He apparently thought he could just coast in, or ignored the advice he was given.
His campaign SHOULD have ended last night. If everyone else had simply kept all the fire on him for the two hours, I think he would have been done.
But he managed to give media talking heads some small crumbs to work with, and so. Ow he goes back to spending millions on ads.
He can also spend every day prepping for the South Carolina debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mystery sage
(576 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)He both looked and sounded awful. He can't hide from his past, and he can pay for it to go away. He's going nowhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
musicman65
(524 posts)is our best bet to mend things as they should be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden