Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumFormer Nevada Sen. Harry Reid says 'not a chance in hell' Medicare for All would pass
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"Its impractical ... Theres not a chance in hell it would pass," he told ABC News Political Director Rick Klein, instead advocating for strengthening the Affordable Care Act -- or Obamacare -- and looking to pass a public option.
There are not enough Democratic votes to get this concept passed in the real world
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)Or is he just a cranky old man?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)It should make all of US more than cranky!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)If we don't get some fix for our stupid health care system, we are going to fail. Might as well aim high.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)What they hear is "If we work together we can do it."
'not a chance in hell' when it comes to something young people need or want doesn't promote good will or any type of loyalty.
Thanks for the post.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I have never taken sanders seriously due to a complete lack of legislative accomplishments of sanders and the fact that I do not understand sanders voter revolution The NYT also did not understand how sanders voter revolution works
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Like the NYT, I have questions about this voter revolution concept. I have asked sanders supporters to explain this concept to me and so far no one seems to know how this voter revolution will work in the real world https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=430371
64. Exactly how does sanders voter revolution work in the real world?
It is my understanding that even sanders has acknowledged that he cannot adopt his platform unless he holds rallies and this voter revolution occurs. Is this correct? How does this voter revolution work in the real world? Again as I understand this concept, so many new voters will rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. Is this correct? How many new voters does it take to accomplish this goal and where are these voters? How will these new voters force the GOP to be reasonable when so many GOP officeholders are in gerrymandered districts? Will these new voters move to these districts in time to vote for sanders platform? If these new voters are real, then why are theses new voters not showing up in the polls? New voters in such large numbers so as to cause the GOP to be reasonable should show up in polling. Are these new voters waiting for something? If these new voters really exist in the real world, why has sanders not used these new voters to get some meaningful legislation passed?
I look forward to answers to these questions
sanders interview with the NYT may have gone better if he had explained how this revolution would work in the real world. I am still curious
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)all I will comment on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)sanders fellow democrats are not supporting sanders proposals in the real world
There is a reason why sanders has zero significant legislative accomplishments. His proposals are unable to get the support of other Democrats in the real world
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)So he passes a watered down compromise then loses the house for the next 8 years. And the senate indefinitely?
I dont fault Obama for getting what he could. Just the elimination of preconditions and lifetime caps was a major achievement. Bernie is not proposing similar reforms. He wants to completely change the entire healthcare in a single election cycle.
But same as obama did in response to how will bernie pass radical healthcare reform is kind of stunning.
And save responses saying im a corporate stooge that doesnt want universal healthcare. I just think a plan without numbers and a marketing strategy that unnecessarily focuses on telling people they cant keep their current plans for now if they choose will further delay reforms we need to get to universal healthcare.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)certainly seems that everything that helps people seems to face massive opposition. If young people will realize their power they can change out those politician who say they can't have what they need.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)With a few notable exceptions, young people largely talk but when it comes to putting it on the line, they are awol.
Harry Reid is right. We need a sensible healthcare change pkan that insures there is a next step that we can move to, MFA isn't that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,386 posts)His plan always has "and then a revolution happens" step. It's simplistic and rather insulting, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Thanks Harry! It buffers disappointment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Red Oak
(697 posts)If every major country in the world can do it, if it is popular here but "there is no way in hell" it will pass, then it is time to get rid of the corruption of the political process that is standing in the way.
M4A or similar is shown to save money (see recent Lancet research) and it is the moral and ethical thing to do. Let's call BS on not affording insulin and $900 Epipens brought to you by Sen Manchin's daughter.
The time has come for universal health care in the United States and the pols (and big pharma and big med) better wake up and smell the coffee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Good luck with this plan
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Red Oak
(697 posts)They are part of the problem.
BTW Manchins daughter is Ms EpiPen
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)I am amused by the complete failure of sanders and Our Revolution on flipping seats in the real world
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Good luck with this silly plan
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I'm not saying that the future of health care in America doesn't mater, I'm saying that the chance of Medicare for All passing through the next Congress doesn't matter. But for starters, assuming Sanders becomes President, that shuffles the deck completely. The influence that Bernie Sanders has today as one member of the Senate Democratic Caucus is germane so long as he continues to be just one member of the Democratic Caucus in the Senate. Any President has chips to play that only become his or hers after they win that office, but even more to the point, if Bernie Sanders actually wins the Presidential elections suddenly a lot of former calculations would have to be revisited about what is and is not possible in America today.
But the even bigger point is this. President Sanders would not repeal Obamacare before he had the votes to replace it with something better. He is a Democratic candidate for President, not the Republican one. Since when do Democrats stop fighting for social and economic justice anytime the current political lineup denies them the ability to implement it?
Do we have the votes today to pass a Constitutional Amendment to over rule "Citizens United"? No? Then why do Democrats still advocate for doing just that? You work toward an ambitious goal by making the case for that ambitious goal and doing the hard work to make progress toward that goal. Would Gay Marriage have received national support twenty years ago? Does that mean that Gay advocates were foolish to keep pushing for it, for making the fundamental case that justice ultimately required that outcome?
I want a President who fights for what is best and then locks in whatever advances are possible in the short term without surrendering the vision that we should all believe in. When it finally came to it, Bernie Sanders - long time advocate for Single Payer Universal Health Care, voted for the Affordable Care Act. He voted for it even though the Public Option was stripped out of the final version. He locked in an advance and continues to fight for something even better. That is my kind of leadership.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Johonny
(20,888 posts)Given hwo Mitch passed his tax rules. Just modifying and keeping it budget neutral (In the Moscow sense of the word) seems just fine. And of course, they can just dump the 60 vote rule if they want too. No reason to tie ourselves to the minority that doesn't respect the rules Harry!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)It is all sloganeering
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)there is no way that sanders will be able to get his agenda through Congress
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wackadoo wabbit
(1,167 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
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the ACA passed. Truman, Nixon, Carter, and Clinton all tried and failed to overhaul our healthcare "system," but Democrats lead by Reid and Pelosi, many of whom put their careers on the line to create a national healthcare system, battled through intense opposition to finally make it happen.
That Democrats finally did it obviously has been burning Sanders' butt ever since. This living proof that his demonization of Democrats as Republicans was delusional has, tragically, resulted in Sanders demonizing the ACA itself to justify joining the Republicans in trying to destroy it. There's no doubt that his joining their efforts to undermine confidence in the Democrats and the ACA played a real role in the devastating losses of 2016.
Responsible healthcare experts, the vast majority of whom support the ACA, can't provide a rational, respectable explanation for why socialist Sanders based a political campaign on creating a second capitalism-based, for-profit national healthcare system and joined the Republicans' efforts to destroy the ACA.
Answers to WHY Sanders didn't live his claimed goals by joining Democrats to to first complete the parts of the ACA the Republicans blocked, and then work to make it everything we need, would have to come from psychologists and cynical political campaign advisers.
But a big reason we have 100 senators and 435 congressmen in DC is to keep odd elements from kicking over the national bucket to serve personal delusions and political purposes.
Harry Reid is of course 100% right. The Democrats who battled for 2 years to pass the ACA have an absolute duty to the people not to allow Sanders and the Republicans to destroy it and then spend most of a decade battling the Republicans in a desperate attempt to replace it. Silly stuff, the catching on of such a idea in this very dangerous era so dangerously dysfunctional that future historians will point to it as an indication of the current political disorder.
Democrats also would never vote to eliminate all healthy and necessary competition in healthcare and or the ability of Americans to choose for themselves. Even if that wasn't found to be unconstitutional, we're Democrats and believe in representative government that serves the wishes of the people.
Thanks, Harry, for an injection of that reality from someone who knows.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden