Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJennifer Rubin: The Two Big Winners were Biden and Buttigieg
Who benefits from Bloombergs troubles?Warren is unlikely to win any of the voters she shook loose.
(excerpt) The two big winners here seem to be former vice president Joe Biden and Buttigieg. Both took the fight to Bloomberg, not so much on his billionaire status but on his policy positions and lack of Democratic ( big "D" ) values.
Biden slammed Bloomberg for calling Obamacare a disgrace and for his stop-and-frisk policy. ([Its] not whether he apologized or not. Its the policy. The policy was abhorrent. And it was in fact a violation of every right people have.) Biden adeptly contrasted his own views with Bloombergs positions on redlining (the abolition of which Bloomberg seems to blame for the financial crisis) and China. Biden needed to reassure donors, retain African American support and present himself as the better friend of working Americans; he did all three.
Buttigieg also made hay out of Bloombergs (and to some extent Sanderss) troubles. He began and ended with the same argument. In his first answer he told the audience: We could wake up two weeks from today, the day after Super Tuesday, and the only candidates left standing will be Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg, the two most polarizing figures on this stage. He ended as he began: If you look at the choice between a revolution or the status quo and you dont see where you fit in that picture, then join us. ... We shouldnt have to choose between one candidate who wants to burn this party down and another candidate who wants to buy this party out. Tweaking both Bloomberg and Sanders, he declared that he was the only one who had been a Democratic mayor.
In short, both Biden and Buttigieg presented themselves as the Democrats who are seeped in Democratic policy and values and best-equipped to stop Sanders and then beat President Trump. Each effectively said: Bloombergs a phony Democrat; Im a real Democrat and dont have Bloombergs baggage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/20/who-benefits-bloombergs-troubles/
And what about Warren? Well, she got it wrong (again!) Sen. Elizabeth Warrens (D-Mass.) dissection of Bloombergs weaknesses is not likely to benefit her directly, which is precisely why her decision to go to war with him rather than chip away at Sanderss support made little strategic sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)"We shouldnt have to choose between one candidate who wants to burn this party down and another candidate who wants to buy this party out.
I haven't figured out why Klobuchar seems to dislike him so intensely (and maybe vice-versa).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,213 posts)he's getting a lot of credit for thinking/talking about stuff she has actually done.
she prolly does have a temper. i find that comforting. i want a president who throws things are nincompoops.
him making a big deal out of her name gaffe, something WE.ALL.DO., would have been enough for me to want to take a poke at him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
33taw
(2,447 posts)She could never shake him as the alternative to Biden. I think that shocked her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:15 PM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
33taw
(2,447 posts)She kept arguing that Pete was young and inexperienced. Thereby, trying to dismiss him. As he became the favorite of many because of his style, she lost ground. I like both of them a lot. I have vacillated between about four of the candidates. My primary is not until April, so well see where it goes and then I will decide.
FYI: I was responding to why Klobuchar dislikes Buttigieg
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
babylonsister
(171,091 posts)nasty/small/belligerent. Here is cnn's analysis;
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/20/politics/pete-buttigieg-amy-klobuchar-debate/index.html
What drives Amy Klobuchar's disdain for Pete Buttigieg
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimfields33
(15,948 posts)It was a turn off. I cant see how anybody thought he did well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,213 posts)sheesh.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
denem
(11,045 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)But, she is basically submitting here that the guys she DOES like may ride on Warrens back.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
denem
(11,045 posts)Warren made a 'strategic mistake' in taking on Bloomberg. She should have been 'chipping away at Sanders'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
denem
(11,045 posts)Performance art indeed. Mr Bezos supplies the parachutes.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(13,883 posts)having a food fight with Klobuchar.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,058 posts)They should've directed their guns towards the Idiot, not each other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)While Warren gave a demonstration of how to do it.
Some people respond to rhetoric, others respond to action.
Put me down for action.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,058 posts)let's see what you come up with. Far as i can recall she isn't the nominee yet and hasn't beaten anybody
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)Trump like a drum, Warren demonstrated on Bloomberg last night the WAY she confronts power.
Neither are the nominee. You have confidence in Bidens words and I have confidence in Warrens demonstrations of taking down power.
You do you and Ill do me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Let's see if she can win the nomination. Until then it's all TALK.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)and corruption and wins.
Surprised you dont know this about her, yet, you seem invested in not wanting to know.
How about if I said Biden SEZ hell beat Michael Bloomberg like a drum, while Warren DEMONSTRATED how to beat Bloomberg last night.
Heheheh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,058 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)Who else would I be expected to support?
Were you rooting for Wells Fargo?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bullwinkle428
(20,630 posts)Someone posted a Tweet of hers on this forum right after the debate ended!! My reaction was along the lines of, "Thank you, 'never-Trumper Republican', for trying to spin this as anything but a complete disaster!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)She may understand Republican voters, but not Democratic and left-leaning voters.
I committed to Elizabeth Warren after last night.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)But Biden actually benefited most from the debate.
If Bloomberg's implosion sees those voters go (back?) to Biden, and Biden gets the biggest bounce, then there's a reasonable metric to argue that Biden won the debate.
Debates really do have weird scoring rules around managed expectations. Remember when Dubya functionally "won" debates against Gore that he actually lost, just because he surprised so many people by showing up with his shoes on the right feet? Nobody expects Biden's strength to be a debate, and he scores points just for surviving being on the stage next to somebody like Warren.
I won't argue that Warren didn't simply kill it last night. But she's supposed to, and the Bloomberg disaster might benefit Biden more than anybody else.
Let me see the next batch of polls, ultimately, before I really try to make that argument. It's really a hypothetical until then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,091 posts)for turning Bloomberg into a puddle on that stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Sometimes the person who does the work is not the person who benefits most.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)But my bet is on Warren the billionaire slayer picking up the most Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar voters. I dont think Biden loses any because he did well. Bernie might lose some who were just moving to the perceived front runner.
Im glad that Bloomberg was knocked down. I liked Pete and Amy was ok, but that was just bizarre what they both did - and likely was a campaign ended for both. We will see in the coming days.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)Voters have been confusing me for a while.
I actually like Warren, but she's only got until Super Tuesday to convince me she's the horse to stop Sanders. If she catches fire, it's not a bad thing in my view.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,394 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jmg257
(11,996 posts)so no way that does NOT benefit her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It was that she demonstrated what a stirling fighter she is when up against arrogant billionaires. Go Elizabeth!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Exhibit I-lost-count.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)press is trying to void out Warren
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)Isn't that the way we always see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
so tired of the media/press picking our candidate!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided